Should Canadian Border Agents Be Armed?

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Should Canadian Border Agents Be Armed?

Tuesday, July 19, 2005



SEATTLE — Agents for the Canada Border Services Agency (search) protect the 4,000-mile border with the United States from drugs, guns and fugitives and they do so without firearms.

But some of those agents — armed only with batons and pepper spray — say that they want to be able to protect both themselves and their country with stronger weapons. In recent years, Canadian border agents have been shot at or assaulted dozens of times and have carried out a growing number of drug busts. Last year, agents confiscated more than 1,000 firearms.

The Canadian Senate voted to arm customs agents with guns but the ruling Liberal Party (search) vetoed the idea in part because they don't want to promote a "gun culture" like they say exists in the United States.

"If these other people have guns, maybe they're gonna pull them out, and there will be a shootout in the middle of an area where there's many, many people," said Roy Cullen, a Liberal Party member of Parliament. "So we're not convinced that guns have to be part of the solution."

In addition to the Liberal Party, two of the top law enforcement officials in Canada are leading the opposition to customs agents getting guns. The head of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (search) told Parliament he was afraid it would lead to customs agents running out of their huts shooting at motorists.

Unlike in the United States, where Immigration and Customs agents have always carried guns, Canadian border agents are not supposed to stop armed and dangerous fugitives trying to cross the border. Instead, they are instructed to call the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, who are often miles away.

Police in Washington State say that many of their fugitives have escaped into Canada because Canadian border agents are unarmed.

"It's incredulous to me that they don't [have guns] when they're expected to apprehend wanted fugitives and felons and people smuggling firearms or drugs across the border," said Whatcom County Sheriff Bill Elfo, who added that he would never do the job without a gun.

No Canadian customs agent has ever been killed in the line of duty, but supporters of arming them hope that's not what it takes to get the Canadian government to change the security policy.

"They're dealing with some dangerous people, who just maybe committed murders, killed their families," said Tom Granger, a retired Canadian customs agent. "And we're supposed to hold them and detain them with what? Mace?"

Click in the box near the top of the story to watch a report by FOX News' Dan Springer.
 
Individuals can get permits to carry, and if it's for occupational reasons the customs job would seem to meet all the criteria. Normally it's people moving money or guarding jewelry, and I believe they need to wear a uniform of some sort. Check, and check. Or if they patrol a rural area they could apply on those grounds too.

If I was in customs I'd be kind of offended that so little was thought of me, but its just politics, not personal, except when it's personal.
 
Look it's totally worth it to disarm the border patrol and put them at personal risk if it saves one criminal's life.


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NO.

I don't want to get shot crossing from North Dakota.

And most of these folks are not familiar with handguns I would guess.

Keep the guns on the US SIDE of the border.


Besides what would Rebecca Peters think? :confused:
 
"No Canadian customs agent has ever been killed in the line of duty"

Like the AWB was here, this is a solution to a non-existant problem so what's the motivation behind arming them?
 
LAR-15,

Since there have never been any "in the line of duty" deaths in the past apparently there was no need to arm them. If there's no reason to arm them then what's the basis for it now.
 
The head of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (search) told Parliament he was afraid it would lead to customs agents running out of their huts shooting at motorists.
Hot tip: revise your hiring practices. Screen out the people who are stark raving mad.
 
The head of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (search) told Parliament he was afraid it would lead to customs agents running out of their huts shooting at motorists.
Hot tip: revise your hiring practices. Screen out the people who are stark raving mad.
Start with the head of the RCMP.
 
Hey, at least the Canadian liberals are consistent!

No guns for civilians -AND- no guns for police!

Now if they can just get their army to abandon their "gun culture"!
 
Agents for the Canada Border Services Agency (search) protect the 4,000-mile border with the United States from drugs, guns and fugitives and they do so without firearms.

Ummmm, no they dont. You dont even encounter Canadian border personell when your coming INTO the United States, thats what OUR Border Patrol does.
 
Since there have never been any "in the line of duty" deaths in the past apparently there was no need to arm them. If there's no reason to arm them then what's the basis for it now.

It's kind of like investing - past performance is no indicator of future results. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't.

Also, what makes these guys less worthy of the ability to defend themselves than the rest of us? Just because none of my family have been killed by a bad guy doesn't mean I'm giving up my guns.

Plus, like Sean Connery said - "You carry a badge? Then carry a gun."
 
Once a year, I cross the border into Canada at International Falls, Minnesota. Going into Canada, I am inspected by Canadian guards who are unarmed.

When I come back into the United States, I'm inspected by U. S. guards who are armed to the teeth.

Bob
 
Hot tip: revise your hiring practices. Screen out the people who are stark raving mad.

thats a very good point. If they are worried about them running out and gunning people down, maybe they have greater issues than the one at hand...
 
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