Should I get a C&R?

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TTv2 said:
Since most of my prospective purchases will be online via gunbroker and there are a number of non-FFL holders on there, can I still buy their gun with my C&R and not go the traditional 4473 route or does that have to go thru an FFL and 4473?
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Barring the existence of contrary state/city/county-specific laws ...

A non-FFL guy/gal can ship a regular C&R firearm to you at the address on your 03FFL.
 
BCR#1 said:
After 20 + years being an 03, I gave mine up as the price of milsurps/collectable firearms prices went through the roof. I now buy what I want from private sellers if the price is reasonable to me. Aim, J&G, SOG and the rest went full retard on their prices.

Bill
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Same here, gave mine up also after 20 years

Steve
 
I would like to add more to this tread, but I have been warned i am in=appropriate/. so I will eave this forum now....bye,
 
OneFreeTexan said:
I’ve had a C & R longer than I can remember, have renewed it several times. bought a lot of milsurp back in the day, got some great guns.....Now I estimate,,(WA guess) that a million guns become C&R eligible every year. Mostly it just has to be 50 yrs old, or more. So that makes guns before 1970 eligible, right? I am aware of at least twelve regular dealers on Gunbroker that understand and ship to C&R holders.

Hmmm, seems to me some of the Remington Nylons might be C&R.??

Recently I received a gun in the mail, yes the USPS,,,,,not anything else that was C&R. It was packed very tightly and was not ‘declared’ when it was shipped. the dealer I bought it from said ‘you go C&R, no prob
The post office didn’t notice or didn’t care. Our local PO lady who is though as nails and sweet as can be,,,,,I told her about it...her response........”who cares, go get me a donut at the bakery.”
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The post office I worked for would turn it in to the postal inspector's.

Steve
 
TTv2 said:
OP here and have another question:

Since most of my prospective purchases will be online via gunbroker and there are a number of non-FFL holders on there, can I still buy their gun with my C&R and not go the traditional 4473 route or does that have to go thru an FFL and 4473?
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Depends on the seller. Some feel more comfortable sending to an FFL and having a paper trail. Others may just ask for a copy of you 03 C&R and send it directly to your doorstep. When I had mine I dealt mostly with on line retailers like Aim, Classic, Liberty Tree Collectors, J&G and Bud's. Never a problem.

Individual sellers were hit and miss. Some wanted every piece of identification you had plus your first born masculine child while others were satisfied with a copy of your C&R.
 
kscharlie said:
I live out in the boonies. The closest gun shop is an hour away. Buying any gun locally isn't going to happen. Three years ago, I became very interested in older revolvers, so I obtained a C&R license. In the 3 years since, I have acquired 17 revolvers. Each one was shipped to my front door. So I have saved a nice chunk of change.

Every one of these guns was purchased off of GunBroker. Use common sense. Check out the sellers ratings. Read the rating "reviews". Look closely at the pictures. If there are only 2 or 3 pictures, and the quality is not good, I simply move on. If someone wants to sell a gun and can't provide decent pictures, I assume he either is not really interested in selling it, or is attempting to hide issues with the gun. Ask questions before placing a bid on a gun. Verify before hand that the seller will accept a C&R license. If he will not take one, just move on. There are lots and lots of the same gun out there. I nearly always ask a question or two just to verify that the seller will provide acceptable communication. I do my homework first. I have never had a problem with any transaction. Pay by using USPS money order or credit card. I only use a credit card if the seller is well established and has sold many items. Before placing a bid on an item, determine up front exactly how much you are willing to pay. Don't get caught up in an "auction frenzy". Be sure to factor in the shipping charge.

You don't have to purchase a log book at retail. There are lots of templates available that you can download to your computer and print them off. I keep all of my paperwork in a 3-ring binder.

Read the rules, regulations and laws pertaining to your license. Understand them.

My 03 renewal was put in the mail a few days ago. Good luck to you.
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Also a electronic logbook is now acceptable as long as you keep records of every change. What I do use an Excel spreadsheet and save the logbook based on the date of the most recent entry and keep a separate electronic copy on an secondary server so if they want to see changes they can look at each update.
 
By the way, don't let the term "bound book" scare you. A kids composition book, the kind with the black marbled cardboard covers you used in school, meets the definition of a bound book. Any place that sells school supplies will have them.

Look at the categories the ATF asks for and take a ruler and make the number of columns you need on the page. That's it, nothing exotic required.

Even a loose leaf binder with numbered pages works.

Here's the exact definition from the ATF:

"The firearms acquisition and disposition (A&D) record, also known as a “bound book”, is a permanently bound book or an orderly arrangement of loose–leaf pages which must be maintained at the business premises. The format must follow that prescribed in the regulations and the pages must be numbered consecutively."
 
Let me ask a question that's in the same vein as the OP.
What about adding a gun to your book that you had before acquiring the FFL03? I want a C&R license. I have a non C&R Krag and 03A3. Can I add them to my bound book? What are the consequences of adding them?
 
s76 said:
Let me ask a question that's in the same vein as the OP.
What about adding a gun to your book that you had before acquiring the FFL03? I want a C&R license. I have a non C&R Krag and 03A3. Can I add them to my bound book? What are the consequences of adding them?
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You only record the acquisitions and dispositions of curios & relics while you are licensed, so no, you don't record those until you dispose of them. A "non C&R Krag"? Why would you think you should record something that doesn't meet the definition of curio or relic?
 
dogtown tom said:
You only record the acquisitions and dispositions of curios & relics while you are licensed, so no, you don't record those until you dispose of them. A "non C&R Krag"? Why would you think you should record something that doesn't meet the definition of curio or relic?
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Edit:I guess you did answer my question. Here is the original reply for clarification

That one may be too old. My question is is there any advantage to adding firearms that fall into the C&R definition that I already own to the book? Will that make them C&R to be sold later to another C&R license holder?
 
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s76 said:
That one may be too old. My question is is there any advantage to adding firearms that fall into the C&R definition that I already own to the book?
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Again, you only record firearms you acquire or dispose of while licensed. What you currently own does not need to be recorded.



Will that make them C&R to be sold later to another C&R license holder?
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I think you're missing the point. A "C&R" means "curio and or relic" and is defined by federal law. Simply recording a firearm onto your bound book doesn't "make" a firearm a C&R....the definition in federal law does.

As I wrote above, if at some point while licensed, you choose to sell a C&R eligible firearm (that you possessed prior to receiving your 03FFL).....you record the disposition of that firearm in your bound book. It doesn't matter if the buyer has a C&R or not.
Example:
An 03a3 you possessed before you received your 03FFL "Collector of Curios & Relics" and you sold it to me:
As an "aquisition"
Manufacturer: Remington
Model: 1903A3
Serial#: 012345
Type: Rifle
Caliber: .30
Date received: 4/18/2020 (not the day you bought or received the gun originally, but the day it left the collection you possessed before receiving your license)
Acquired from: "s76 personal collection" and your address or FFL#

Then in the "disposition":
Date disposed: 4/18/2020 (same whether you shipped or transfered face to face)
Disposed to: If buyer is a nonlicensee, their name and address. If licensed, their name/business name and FFL#
 
Let's say I go the route of the C&R, how long does it take to get approval and license from ATF?
 
s76 said:
Edit:I guess you did answer my question. Here is the original reply for clarification

That one may be too old. My question is is there any advantage to adding firearms that fall into the C&R definition that I already own to the book? Will that make them C&R to be sold later to another C&R license holder?
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When you sell them you enter them into your records. Your records are not what makes something C&R.
 
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