Should L&P be closed?

[hso]

There have been some good points and some confusing ones , but it's starting to drift into politics (Yes, I know it's L&P ) and that wasn't the point of the thread. Let's get back on track.

Ok, Brett Bellmore, I concede that another option to the Change L&P question would have put the endpoint at "No, L&P needs to have less controls, though!", instead of "No Change", but I can't personally see it. I, personally, think it's too chaotic. But that's my perspective while yours is the other way.

Putting arguments about moderation in L&P aside, would you limit what's posted at all or would you impose some limits? If you would impose some limits what would they be? I do actually want to understand.


BTW, cloudcroft was being ironic ( ) instead of serious (part of that lighting up thing) and you guys got sidetracked. Let's get back on the issue at hand.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

If you would impose some limits what would they be?

How about just keeping it civil?

 

[real_name]

But Hawkeye, your civil is someone else's offensive, or vice versa.

It is already kept civil, but by moderation not self moderation. It is the only segment of the site that isn't anywhere near being self moderated by the users. I'm sure on the super secret mod pages the number one topic of discussion recently has been the lack of decorum on L&P.

Call it RKBA, make it relevant to that and that alone and Robert's your male relative, THR is back in happyland.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Call it RKBA, make it relevant to that and that alone.

I think that would be a huge loss. RKBA is not something that can be easily divorced from general concepts of liberty and laws which effect liberty. The reason, in fact, for the RKBA is the preservation of liberty in general, not for its own sake, or for hunting, or whatever. I don't think that's the way to go.

 

[Sindawe]

Putting arguments about moderation in L&P aside, would you limit what's posted at all or would you impose some limits? If you would impose some limits what would they be? I do actually want to understand.

Perhaps a split and rename would be in order? What we now know as L&P retitled something like "Civil Rights" and thread topics confined to those issues, with a new sub forum for Activism and coordination of same. Purely Political issues get their own sub forum or better yet booted to APS.

 

[BullfrogKen]

Ed Ames said: Yeah, that post was weird... and very scary when you realize that he was a moderator!!!!

The moderators on the political side haven't been using the full set of tools available to them. In other words, they haven't been doing the best job they could do. They've basically just been locking threads and occasionally deleting them altogether. These are blunt axes, and they are being used where a delicate touch is needed. A good example is the recent spate of closing of anti-SWAT threads. One moderator said, "When threads run that many posts and are closed because enough is enough, you guys should take the hint and not start again so soon." The reality is that when so many posts, and threads, are made on a topic, the moderators need to take the hint that closing the threads is the wrong approach.

Ed, thank you for proving my point.

Although I spend little time here anymore, but didn't you think I'd come back to visit this thread? If we were in a small group conversing with each other, and I looked to my buddy on the right, and said, "That Ed guy is wierd, he scares me. " with you standing right in front of me, wouldn't you feel that I overstepped the bounds of civility?


That's exactly why I, and many others on THR, don't come here and participate. The tone here is very different than the other subforums. Its shrill, people attack each other, and very few actual conversations go on. Lots of soap box tirades about anti-gunners, left-wingers (I had no idea I was a progressive) and chest beating about how if you don't like things in the US, then leave it. But, not much dialogue.

Moderators do a lot more than swing blunt axes, Ed. We do all those things you suggest. If you think you can do a better job, you're welcome to open a site of your own and moderate it yourself. I think Art and the others do a great job here, and exercise a LOT of patience and restraint, and give folks who aren't civil a LOT of latitude.

 

[Cuda]

The rants in this L&P are tame compared to other forums.. Keep it just the way it is..

Although I'm sure the mods will take care of those who get out of line or off THR...


C

 

[real_name]

The rants in this L&P are tame compared to other forums.

Agreed, but they are not tame compared with the rest of THR, which is all we need to be concerned with.
We are all adults here, we can obviously cope with some altercation, but as this site has decided to designate itself a refuge from flaming and the related mess associated with internet chest-beating then we should play by the sites rules.

Why are so many people trying to drag this site down to the LCD level of the rest of the internet?

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Why are so many people trying to drag this site down to the LCD level of the rest of the internet?

All I've heard people say was that the L&P here is BETTER than those at other sites, not comparable or similar. That's a good thing, no? Political discussion is always going to be a little hotter than a discussion of "what's your favorite Colt revolver" or "how do you crimp a case."

 

[real_name]

Hawkeye, agreed.
But.

We are a beacon, we attract antis like moths to a candle.
Do a search on an obscure gun related term, THR will likely be in the top 10 results, often the first.
Thus it would behoove us to behave extremely well, to preempt any possible backlash.

Behaving is good. Art's Grandmother would surely agree with that.

 

[Cuda]

Agreed, but they are not tame compared with the rest of THR, which is all we need to be concerned with.
We are all adults here, we can obviously cope with some altercation, but as this site has decided to designate itself a refuge from flaming and the related mess associated with internet chest-beating then we should play by the sites rules.

I concur. But thats where the moderators come in. If someone get's out of line or starts to get insulting they will get read the riot act and maybe even get banned.

One thing I find with gun forums is the passion people have and because people have such strong feelings, tempers and words sometimes get out of hand. It's human nature, it's going to happen.

You are correct we should act like adults, come to the debate armed (pun intended) and be willing to defend our positions with facts and figures not supposition


C

 

[Art Eatman]

Well, it's now eight pages, and I see from Page 6 or so that some are posting without having read what's gone before. IOW, repetitive without adding to the discussion. And I do note some comments which are seriously mistaken about the moderators and how we view threads.

And by the way, forget the word "censorship". That has to do with government. This is Oleg's house, and he has an absolute right to control what's said here, how it's said, and who can say it--and the doors work in both directions.

So, folks, take some time to browse through the thread and think about the comments. Nothing wrong with some distillation and starting anew, if need be.

Art