Should NY cops carry revolvers not autos?

[rajb123]

....the recent activity in front of the Empire State bld. resulted in 8 (?) inocent people getting hurt after 16 shots were fired by police.

I'm greatful the police were able to end the violence quickly but maybe the police should be better trained to fire less shots and maybe this could be done better the revolvers and not high capacity autos.

There was another NYC shooting involving dozens of shots fired into a car recently and many thought this was excessive.

 

[oneounceload]

I have my dad's NYPD pre-model 10 that he carried - great gun. Maybe the regular cops should be armed with tasers and pepper spray - or maybe Bloomie can allocate more money for training - seems obvious most of them need it.........

 

[JR47]

While limiting an officers capacity may seem a good idea, it really isn't. All too often, officers may well be alone for several minutes, against multiple armed opponents. In a day when body armor is becoming increasingly available on the Black market, why not just give the police derringers? May not stop crim inals, but would certainly limit police output.

A better option is to train them to operate professionally, and HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE for excesses?

Perhaps, if you wanted to test out your theory, they should be limited to the same 10 round magazines as regular citizens? Surely a 33% reduction, or more, in capacity would net fewer casualties, then?

 

[bigfatdave]

Yes, NAA mini revolvers loaded with shotshells would be a good start

Why would the police of NYC need high-capacity military-style spray&pray automatic assault handguns? NYC gun control should negate the need for these weapons designed only to kill many people at once, we should put Sarah Brady in charge of the NYPD armory.

 

[X-Rap]

No I think that the people who we hire to protect, defend, lead us should be the brightest, strongest, smartest most capable for the job no matter if they are cops on the beat or flying a jet fighter, putting out a fire or sitting in the White House.
That just isn't happening anymore.

 

[nneely]

Absolutely not, revolvers for police work are out dated. Unfortunately when rounds start flying in a crowded city bad stuff happens. What training do you recommend? You would be a millionaire if you could produce training that gets rid of adrenaline in a gun battle.

 

[230RN]

Somebody refresh me. Didn't the NYCPD recently mandate 12 lb DAO triggers for their sidearms?

Seems to me a 12 lb trigger is not very conducive to any kind of accuracy and I personally know of one uniformed armed guard in my former building who could not qualify after they changed over to Glocks from their SA/DA revolvrs (SP101?).

I think that's what is referred to as the "New York Trigger." Yes? No?

Help.

Terry, 230RN

 

[Deanimator]

Unfortunately when rounds start flying in a crowded city bad stuff happens.

Historically, the NYPD has a way of itself, making "bad stuff" happen.

This incident, as well as the Diallo, Dorismond and Bell killings indicates that the NYPD continues to have an abundant supply of ammunition and a serious lack of skill and judgment.

If I were to wound a plethora of bystanders defending myself, I would be hung out to dry in civil court. In all likelihood, I would probably face criminal charges in NYC, even WITH a city carry permit. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that if somebody maimed or crippled in this incident sues the city and the individual cops, the NYPD and its defenders will attack the victim and call them "opportunistic", or worse.

 

[clamman]

I'm afraid to say that this is the dumbest thread I have ever read. PLEASE go back to your video games:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[Deanimator]

Somebody refresh me. Didn't the NYCPD recently mandate 12 lb DAO triggers for their sidearms? Seems to me a 12 lb trigger is not very conducive to any kind of accuracy and I personally know of one uniformed armed guard in my former building who could not qualify after they changed over to Glocks from their SA/DA revolvrs (SP101?).

I think that's what is referred to as the "New York Trigger." Yes? No?

Help.

Terry, 230RN

Actually, I think they have the NY+1 which is HEAVIER.

When I bought my Glock 22, right after they were introduced, it had a NY trigger. The first thing I did was take it to a local gunsmith and have it replaced with a normal trigger/connector mechanism.

 

[P5 Guy]

Revolvers? How about single shot, or muzzle loaders.

 

[Hugo]

While it's possible the "NY Trigger" requirement is making their accuracy worse, more training and range time is likely what NYC police need. How much range time are they required to do? Perhaps they need more range time, which likely means the NYC need more ranges or a larger range to practice.

 

[Grassman]

Bloomberg is nuttier than a squirrel turd, he would likely be in favor of disarming the cops too.

 

[leadcounsel]

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/08/24/multiple-people-reported-shot-near-empire-state-building/

This video shows the cops engaging the suspect in NYC. It appears at least one of the cops was shooting his pistole (yes pistole) with one hand!!! Not sure where he learned that training...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/24/justice/new-york-empire-state/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

I also read that the cops were responsible for 16 shots and possibly most or all of the wounded individuals.

The answer is that cops need better training if this is their response.


No, revolvers aren't the answer. While I love the style of a good wheelgun, the modern reliable rugged semi-auto is clearly the best choice. Capacity, ease of use, and quick reloads (and cost) are important.

LEOs in the past rarely dealt with heavily armed bad guys or the potential for real huge gunfights; and when they did they found themselves badly outgunned.

Hence the move to semi-auto pistols, and AR15s in the car.

If it IS true that the triggers were purposefully heavy triggers, then that would probably reduce accuracy significantly and someone should be held liable for that.

Also note, that citizens should be allowed to carry concealed and it would cut down on these types of incidents. Nearly ALL mass shootings occur in 'gun free' zones or states/cities that ban guns like Chicago and NYC for instance. There IS a link.

 

[KTXdm9]

I'm shocked this happened in NYC. Surely their gun laws should have prevented this from happening! /sarcasm

Perhaps the time and money spent on "policing" drink sizes would be better spent on more training for the police force??

 

[ExTank]

Bloomberg is nuttier than a squirrel turd, he would likely be in favor of disarming the cops too.

Nah. Hizzoner the Lord Mayor likes his armsmen and other loyal vassals to be armed; it just the serfs he's not too keen on having weapons.

 

[Mike OTDP]

Yes...but not just the NYPD. Self-loading firearms should be prohibited for police use.

We've seen this repeatedly. High-cap self-loaders and ill-trained police are a recipe for trouble. One of the earlier posters mentioned the Diallo incident. IIRC, the cops fired 47 rounds for 6 hits. Which meant that 41 rounds went somewhere else.

A revolver forces you to choose your shot. To take aim. And the same dynamic has been noted with manually operated rifles.

 

[Sam1911]

Is this for real? No, wait, I don't want to know.

Another "hardware" answer to a "software" problem.

EDIT: I revisited this thread with the intent of "pruning" a bit and making it a real THR discussion. I'm sorry to say, I just can't do it.

Folks, this is THR. If you feel the need to respond to a thread, ask yourself if what you feel like saying is an actual contribution, or just a bit of political snark or cheap wit.

If all you have to offer this conversation is snide comments on the soft drink ban, or absurd "disarm the cops," and "go back to muzzleloaders" silliness, or bile about "Hizzonor," you really should rethink your participation here. You're missing the entire raison d'etre of this forum.