SHTF in Shreveport: Home invader drilled 12 times with an SKS

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"Wilson went out the front door and fired a couple of times toward where he said he thought he heard them."


Now this is the only part that I have a MAJOR problem with. The guy is firing where he can't see. Anyone including Old Man Brown who was out walking his dog could have been hit. I'm not gonna get into the drug argument. I would have blasted a guy running armed down my hallway too.

TerryBob
 
Charging someone with intent to distribute because they have a large quantity of something is wrong.

Yup.

How many people here could be charged with posession of ammunition with intent to distribute in a few years. Just becasue we like to, like someone on another board said, "buy it cheap and stack it deep".

Maybe he just happened upon the pothead's version of Sam's Club.

In order to charge someone with "intent" to do something, it would be nice for them to have to actually show some "intent".
 
Det. Brown was doing his job. If Mr. Wilson is stupid enough to leave drugs lying around after calling the police, well, I guess he gets what he deserves.

Oops...actually that was supposed to be "Good job, Wilson." My bad but I'm glad I could provide fodder for a triple eye-roll.

brad cook
 
I agree with everyone else that charging with intent is a bunch of crap. It can be beat in court but you still get charge so the prosicution can use it for leverage. Thats the wonderfull way our legal system works. Charge you with everything so you plead to something. Or charge you with something like "intent" that carries a hefty penalty and most people won't risk it and plead to something lower. Just a few of the interesting things I have picked up in criminal justice studies. Prosicuters/Police don't care if you are guilty, only about making/winning cases.
Matt
 
How many people here could be charged with posession of ammunition with intent to distribute in a few years. Just becasue we like to, like someone on another board said, "buy it cheap and stack it deep".

The big difference is that having ammunition isnt illegal. Having ANY quantity of pot is illegal. If they decide to make up another law for having a specific amount of an illegal substance thats OK with me. They can call it "intent to distribute" or simply call it "having a crap load of grass" for all i care.

Should possesing a SINGLE GRAM of marijuana carry the same penalty as having several POUNDS?
 
"Wilson went out the front door and fired a couple of times toward where he said he thought he heard them."


This part I have a huge problem with.


If Mr Dumbass wasn't smart enough to hide the 5kilos of reefer after he shot a guy 12 times, well, sorry charlie. I don't think it's a great law, or even a very good one, but I don't speed in a school zone with a cop in my car either.

Then again, who knows who exactly droped the weed?

No, I'm going to go with the "Bunch of Junkies decided to rob their dealer and got shot. Dealer not too bright in the first place, that's why he's a dealer, so he forgot to hide/flush/burn his stash."
 
Or maybe the perp was out of work because of GW's outsourcing of IT jobs to India.


I find it amazing that you felt a need to find a way to interject this random Donkey talking point into this conversation. :rolleyes:
 
What a terrific story!!!! What I like about it is that it clearly shows to issues concerning home defense that have been brought up on the forum. In a couple of other recent threads, people have posted queries as to whether you should shout a warning, pump the shotgun noisily, or provide a warning shot. I am a huge advocate of doing just what the SKS guy did, lay in wait and ambush the intruders as intruder represent a very real threat to one's safety. I know, in some states you can't do it, but by golly is it a great friggin' way to get a jump on the bad guys and it allows you to disable what known intruders there are, even if you don't yet know how many there are. Basically, the guy eliminated a significant amount of the intruder force within his home.

The other aspect concerns the second intruder shooting through the wall and actually managing to hit the female. People love to talk about how they have hardened exterior doors or or have hardened interior doors with X number of dead bolts, reinforced frame, etc. All that locking doesn't mean squat if you don't have your walls beefed up for that very reason. People can still shoot through walls!

As for hardened exterior doors, they are fine, but then the badguys just come through a window.
 
Cannon, armed with a semiautomatic handgun he never fired, charged down the hall but didn't make it farther than the open bedroom door when he was hit in the abdomen several times by more than 12 rounds fired from Wilson's SKS assault rifle, Brown said.
Wilson fired 12 times but only hit Cannon "several" times. We also don't know if all 12 were fired in the bedroom/hallway or if some of those 12 were fired outside.



Cop stops him and sees pillbox on front seat. Pillbox not marked as prescription but containing controlled substances. Old guy arrested for possession. Cops decide to search old guy's house.
Now there's a stretch. Finding one pillbox or pill bottle in a person's car in and of itself doesn't constitute probable cause for obtaining a warrant to search said person's home.
If that were allowable then the police would be searching the domicile of every underage person cited for unlawful possession of alcohol.


Ask any law enforcement officer who had been on the job for more than a few months and you hear stories of people who distribute marijuana and other drugs who actually are stupid enough to leave significent quantities laying around in plain sight. It is so commonplace to them that they just don't consider that someone might walk in as actually see it.

How many of us have items laying around that testify to our interest in firearms? If someone walked into your house would there be any guns in plain sight? How about holsters? Ammo boxes? Cleaning kits? Reloading press? Gun books or magazines?

How about the eposode of Cops in Kansas City, where the officer pulls two guys over for a traffic violation and upon noticing the car REEKED of pot asked for permission to search and was assured by the driver/owner that they had just smoked a small joint but there was NO other pot in the car.

In the back seat the officer finds a large box containing a baggie with at least ½oz of weed and several "blunts" (cigars stuffeed with pot). The officer asks why he said there was no more in the car and the guys says, "Oh I forgot about that being there." :rolleyes:
 
Cannon, armed with a semiautomatic handgun he never fired, charged down the hall but didn't make it farther than the open bedroom door when he was hit in the abdomen several times by more than 12 rounds fired from Wilson's SKS assault rifle, Brown said.
How'd the "journalist" know that?????? Annd, what difference does it make? Does that mean Wilson had a disparity of force over Cannon? I sorta wonder about the inclusion of useless details.
 
This is probably pointless...

but I feel compelled to point it out anyhow. I'll give you the simple version, which has worked pretty well for all my kids-

There are some simple absolutes of right and wrong. If you choose to ignore them, don't cry to me. Got yourself in trouble? Get yourself out. Try to learn something from the experience.

The best way to avoid a speeding ticket, is to drive the speed limit.

The best way to avoid a drug charge, is to NOT possess illegal drugs.

Being an old cop, I might be inclined to wonder just WHY three heavily-armed banditos would want to crash this guy's house in the middle of the night. Not a common occurence, even in the tougher neighborhoods. Maybe he's a dealer, and they wanted his dope/dope money? Certainly a possibility, given the circumstances. And if I see dope scattered around the place, am I supposed to write him a hall pass because he was to busy shooting the invaders to clean up his mess?

I love the internet. What a showcase of the entire human rectu.., er, "spectrum".

The old guy with the pills in the wrong bottle, or whatever it was? Assuming no criminal history- a pat on the back and he's on his way.

Officer discretion- it's a wonderful thing. I am still one of the old holdouts who refuses to sacrifice it on the alter of "zero tolerance". I have allowed a few suspects to kick a their dime-bags of MJ down the storm drain, in exchange for info on last week's armed robbery, shooting, etc.

Made for some good intelligence, and the happiest rats in the KC metro area.
 
Wilson did the right thing.
Whatever he was or wasn't dealing he stopped a home invasion and probably saved his hide.

Two points I think I can safey make are:
1. If you have something to hide, then HIDE IT!
2. Steel core or FMJ 7.62 x 39 makes a small entry hole and a still small exit hole. Use hollow point or soft point for hunting and home defense.
 
It could be that the reporter got it right and the Editor decided to add a bit of sensationalism. Nahhhh, never by our media. :eek:
 
Here at my home only about 10-15 min from berkeley if I defended my home with an SKS I'd probably be locked up and if the criminal lived he'd be given a medal and made an honroary citizen of paris. I need a home defense gun that looks like a puppy or something something the bloody hippies wouldn't get in a tizzy about. This guy is lucky they let him off on self defense, here you'd be hung out to dry. I don't hate my state just the laws and people in it :rolleyes:
 
Sarge, I like your style.

Reminds me of one of my old tricks er um methods.

Upon finding some underage "children" on possession of alcohol at the local submarine races...
What's your name? Where do you live? Are you parents home? Can you be home in 20 minutes? You can? Good.
Now pour out all of the beer, put the empty cans in the trunk and go home. I'm gonna call your house in 21 minutes. My suggestion is that you be there to answer the phone 'cause I'm sure you'd rather not have me talk to your patents at this hour of the night. It would be much better if you explained why I was calling.
 
I thought there was this thing in the US that evidence that has been found without a search warrant is not valid in court?
Did the police have a search warrant for Wilson's home?
 
probable cause or (I can't recall the name) but if you're at the scene of a crime and there is something criminal just lying around in plain sight or turns up during the search for things related to what the police are there. As someone earlier suggested they could have been looking for entry exit holes int he closet where the wife was and found a big ole bag of pot or he could have been an idiot and just had it lying around.

As for the intent to distribute I agree with whoever said I don't care what it's called there should be a bigger penalty for 9 ozs then 1/8th. My buddy is a cop and he showed me a bust where they took a pound of pot that is a whole crap load of pot. the thing is you guys say it might be like with ammo where you find a great deal and stock up. Well you can't do that with pot, bud atleast, cause it dries out and goes bad and you can't smoke it anymore therefore the only reason you would have that quantity of pot would be to sell it to other people. Fact of the matter is whether you agree with it or not guy had a large quantity of weed on his premise and he got busted for it. If it had just been enough for him and his wife to smoke he would have been charged with possesion and gotten a slap on the wrist it is his own fault for being foolish enough to use it and have that much on the premises. He tooka risk and got caught.
 
The big difference is that having ammunition isnt illegal.
Yet. And the legal precedent for inferring intent is already set. If you don't complain about it now, you can't complain about it then.
it dries out and goes bad and you can't smoke it anymore
Didn't know that. What about vacuum sealers? Foodsaver, I think it is. That should work, works for corn. Maybe potheads just aren't thinking long term. :)

Besides, I am pretty sure that doesn't apply to heroin or cocaine. I could be wrong, though. Maybe pills - my antibiotics have an expiration date on them. The same law is used for those drugs as well.

If they want to increase the penalty for the amount of drug in a person’s possession, then they should do that. No reason to speculate in a court of law about someone’s intentions, which are knowable only to himself, and which he can not be compelled to share.

Considering what most antis think of us, it wouldn’t be a good thing to allow someone to guess at my intentions, given the contents of my safe and ammo locker.

You're right, though. I don't like the drug laws. They need to go. Along with the war on drugs. What, or even if, a man smokes, sniffs, inhales, or injects into his own body is none of my business. I want him to stay out of mine, so I’ll stay out of his.

I am not defending the man's intelligence or choice of careers. I am just saying that if he does it in a way that doesn't harm anyone, then it isn't anyone's business.

No, I didn't forget about the children or families in general. Alcoholic parents can do a great deal of harm, too. But physical abuse and neglect is already illegal. Does it matter the reason? Did banning alcohol end child abuse and domestic violence? If it did, then where are all those white haired women of the temperance leagues at? We should call them back to active duty.

As far as society in general goes, as someone pointed out elsewhere, "When did the beer distributors and rum runners stop shooting at each other? Right after prohibition ended."

Sarge:
Officer discretion, I like that. Does that carry over to firearms violations? Like a pat on the shoulder and a reminder to wear a good cover garment and a recommendation for a better holster? :)


Sorry for the meandering, probably off-topic post. Sunday afternoons have a tendency to do that to me.

[Edit: In order to clarify: inferring intent based on actions, like in a murder case, did he plan it?, or in a self-defense case, where hunting someone down the street and putting four bullets in his back shows an intent other than self-defense, is appropriate. That is what I meant in my previous post when I said they should have to show intent. Often, in drug cases, they can't show anything like actual intent.]
 
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the guy is probably a drug dealer and the other guys were there to take the guys stash and cash. he deserves everything he gets. until marijuana becomes legal stay away from it.
 
"Possession with intent to distribute" doesn't automatically mean he had a large quantity of drugs. He might've just had baggies and/or scales in the same area as the drugs....
 
You don't need a search warrant when investigating a crime scene. There may be some parameters that limit the amount of snooping they do, but in general, they don't need a warrant since the home was a crime scene. Although not stated, the drugs found may not have been hidden. They could have been materials in plain view. People don't always hide their drugs when they don't expect the cops to be stopping by.
 
Just because this guy defended his home doesn't make him a good guy. Criminals defend their property too.

In this case, one criminal is dead, and another is going to be behind bars.

Works for me.

I.G.B.
 
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