ArfinGreebly
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Kel-tec Rifle
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SHTF rifle for $1,000.00
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md7
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still haven't made a decision yet, but am leaning towards the marlin 1894 or 1894c. reasons being, the marlin is a rugged reliable rifle, accurate from 10 feet out to about 150 yards, .357 and .44 ammo are easy to get around my area and both are great defensive rounds, i hunt in alot of heavily wooded areas that a .44 would be ideally suited(not alot of open space in South Mississippi), and i could get this rifle and tons of ammo for under $1,000.00 It seems like it would be a really good utility rifle. hunting, defense. i would be pretty comfortable with it and my SIG on my hip. it doesn't hurt that any one in my family could use it either. if i go the marlin route, the .44 will probably get the nod. nobody in this area has the .357 in stock, and i have been able to find 1 new .44 for $420.00
ArfinGreebly
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Kel-tec Rifle
I followed the link and read the thread.
There were some entries farther down that had praise for the rifle.
One guy (stevil) mentions he'd put a lot of ammo through his:
Mine has arrived, and I've started testing it, so I'll know more as I go along.
I followed the link and read the thread.
There were some entries farther down that had praise for the rifle.
One guy (stevil) mentions he'd put a lot of ammo through his:
Mine has arrived, and I've started testing it, so I'll know more as I go along.
hk lover
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shtf rifle
you had better do your homework as far as ammo is concered. this situation is going downhill fast . every time i check on 763 39 or 223 they always talk about limited quantities. you mayn consider a always availible hunting round because between the future santions that are sure to come in the future probably faster than we all think i would strongly suggest getting into reloading asap
you had better do your homework as far as ammo is concered. this situation is going downhill fast . every time i check on 763 39 or 223 they always talk about limited quantities. you mayn consider a always availible hunting round because between the future santions that are sure to come in the future probably faster than we all think i would strongly suggest getting into reloading asap
Headless Thompson Gunner
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The type of rifle doesn't matter too terribly much. How well you can use your rifle matters a great deal. Focus your attention on picking a rifle that works for you, that you can shoot well.
I like rifles with good sights and good triggers. It angers the com-bloc fans when I say this, but AKs and SKSs and Mosins are far more difficult to shoot well than they need to be. FALs and 91s are borderline. American service rifles (Garands, M14s, ARs) are about as user friendly as they come, as are No.4 and No.5 Enfields. A good lever action carbine with nice sights would be tough to beat.
I also like rifles that are handy and lightweight, especially if I expect to carry it in the field. A 12 pound FAL lays out some serious firepower, but it sure is a chore lugging that beast around.
Try 'em all. Buy whichever rifle proves to be the easiest for you to use. Then get good with it. Burn through ammo by the case, and get yourself to a good school if at all possible.
EDIT: Your notion on the Marlin .44 is a good one. Light, handy, easy to shoot well, simple, reliable, effective, moderately priced ammo.
I like rifles with good sights and good triggers. It angers the com-bloc fans when I say this, but AKs and SKSs and Mosins are far more difficult to shoot well than they need to be. FALs and 91s are borderline. American service rifles (Garands, M14s, ARs) are about as user friendly as they come, as are No.4 and No.5 Enfields. A good lever action carbine with nice sights would be tough to beat.
I also like rifles that are handy and lightweight, especially if I expect to carry it in the field. A 12 pound FAL lays out some serious firepower, but it sure is a chore lugging that beast around.
Try 'em all. Buy whichever rifle proves to be the easiest for you to use. Then get good with it. Burn through ammo by the case, and get yourself to a good school if at all possible.
EDIT: Your notion on the Marlin .44 is a good one. Light, handy, easy to shoot well, simple, reliable, effective, moderately priced ammo.
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I like my Kel-tec su 16ca, have put about 2500 rounds thru it without a firing pin break. However my money would go towards a Kel-tec sub 2k (9mm carbine-$300) and a 9mm pistol ($250), with rest going to ....wait for it... 9mm ammo and range fees. Plenty of good fella's there will help train you to shoot. The 9mm carbine has the same ballistics as a .357 pistol, shoots accurately enough and lethal enough to 150yards and would be easier to get proficient with. Or you could go .40s&w in the subbie and pistol but ammo would be higher. 9mm ammo scarce?, won't happen. You can carry a lot more and use in either weapon. Long range wouldn't be an issue in SHTF IMO. my .02 I reload also (being a cheap bastid) and as long as I can buy powder, primers, and bullets, (which store well BTW) I'll never run out. Prolly die before 1% of it gets spent. Wheel weights melted in dies for bullets for the 9mm, and all you need is primers, and powder.
In The Woods
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sks all the way and lots of ammo! 762x39 cal. is the way to go. my 2 cents.
ditch the bayonett.lol. Set yourself up for close range(handgun ,shotgun ,etc) and long range(rifle).Cover all angles if possible when shtf.
ditch the bayonett.lol. Set yourself up for close range(handgun ,shotgun ,etc) and long range(rifle).Cover all angles if possible when shtf.Frog48
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For $1000? I just bought a new/unissued Yugo SKS for $139, so that means I could spent $861 on 7.62x39 ammo.
pinetree64
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Just got home rom a gun show. Wanted a SHTF/Plinker rifle. Looked at the M70AB (AK). I couldn't do it... poor fit and finish. I sold my SAR1 for the same reason. My Yugo SKS will have to do as I try to justify spending $800 on a Stag AR.
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AR-15
You can always upgrade the AR more later on... plus, it's the best platform out there IMO.
You can always upgrade the AR more later on... plus, it's the best platform out there IMO.
de
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Interesting question. What would my neighbors be armed with? A phone, dialing 911 most likely. Most people in this country are oblivious to their surrondings. Bass boats, NFL and NASCAR, are their main interests. I wouldn't even take that issue into consideration. Get what you like.
As a long time weapons instructer, and swat team leader (retired) I was once told by a new chief that I "WOULD" switch to a 9mm Smith. I ask why, and he stated that if I were involved in a firefight I could throw my fellow officers one of my spare magazines if they should run out of ammo. Having already been in two instances of me firing shots defending myself (one against one perp and once against two, I advised him that if my fellow officers had emptied 3 high capacity magazines and we were still in a fight, they obivously weren't hitting anything, and I intended to keep mine and see if I could end the fight myself. He did not respond but instead walked away, I kept my stripes, and the mandate was dropped. Unless enrolled in an organized group, arm and equip yourself, and don't plan on getting much help from others. They will more likely be trying to get you to help them.
As a long time weapons instructer, and swat team leader (retired) I was once told by a new chief that I "WOULD" switch to a 9mm Smith. I ask why, and he stated that if I were involved in a firefight I could throw my fellow officers one of my spare magazines if they should run out of ammo. Having already been in two instances of me firing shots defending myself (one against one perp and once against two, I advised him that if my fellow officers had emptied 3 high capacity magazines and we were still in a fight, they obivously weren't hitting anything, and I intended to keep mine and see if I could end the fight myself. He did not respond but instead walked away, I kept my stripes, and the mandate was dropped. Unless enrolled in an organized group, arm and equip yourself, and don't plan on getting much help from others. They will more likely be trying to get you to help them.
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Well it sort of depends on what your definition of SHTF is, the type of country you are in, etc.
But I am going to make some basic assumptions:
(a.) In any SHTF scenario your primary function would be surviving. Rambo wannabes would attract too much attention and would not last very long.
(b.) You would pretty much be on your own, you wouldn't have a large group of people and money and supplies dedicated to supporting you. Therefore you would want to go light, conserve ammunition, and mostly attempt to stay undetected.
(c.) The rifle that you would want would be short so you can have an easier time concealing it as you move about. Therefore you would want a Carbine of some type.
(d.) Most engagement ranges would be very close. The Caliber of your Carbine would have to have some efficiency. ie. it would have to be a decent man stopper so you would have to fire more than one shot.
Unless you are in Alaska, you would not need something that you would mostly hunt with, as there would be plenty of sources of food. Hence the Man Stopper Cartridge...
You might do well with an AR15 Carbine, or an AK or an M1 Carbine or a Ruger Deer Slayer.
But I am going to make some basic assumptions:
(a.) In any SHTF scenario your primary function would be surviving. Rambo wannabes would attract too much attention and would not last very long.
(b.) You would pretty much be on your own, you wouldn't have a large group of people and money and supplies dedicated to supporting you. Therefore you would want to go light, conserve ammunition, and mostly attempt to stay undetected.
(c.) The rifle that you would want would be short so you can have an easier time concealing it as you move about. Therefore you would want a Carbine of some type.
(d.) Most engagement ranges would be very close. The Caliber of your Carbine would have to have some efficiency. ie. it would have to be a decent man stopper so you would have to fire more than one shot.
Unless you are in Alaska, you would not need something that you would mostly hunt with, as there would be plenty of sources of food. Hence the Man Stopper Cartridge...
You might do well with an AR15 Carbine, or an AK or an M1 Carbine or a Ruger Deer Slayer.
Frog48
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I have to disagree with both of those points. When I envision a SHTF situation, its my family/close friends and I fending off looters/gangs from our house(s). So likely I'd be holed up in my house with adequate supplies. In a defensive posture, movement would be a non-issue, as I wouldnt be going out on patrol or anything like that.
I firmly believe that SHTF business is foolish, but I did buy a rifle that would be good for such a paranoid fantasy as an eff the Democrats investment. I got a used DSA SA58 for a grand. You could get a used SA58 for a grand or a NIB STG 58 for about a grand. Mags are almost free, so it would fall pretty much within your budget.
Frog48
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I'll agree with that. There does seem to be alot of tin foil hat/ black helicopter types on this forum...
in a crisis, having a gun in the first place is likely to be a whole lot more important than the particular type of gun that you have. and being proficient with that gun is likely to be a whole lot more important than the particular pros and cons of that platform and caliber. so find something reliable that you are comfortable with, shoot well, and know (or can easily learn) how to work on. let those factors drive your decision.
having written that, I believe the AR-15 is a great choice: reliable, low recoiling but generally effective caliber, excellent ergonomics, high capacity, light weight, easy to shoot accurately enough out to a few hundred meters, and easy cleaning and maintenance at a basic level without any special tools.
having written that, I believe the AR-15 is a great choice: reliable, low recoiling but generally effective caliber, excellent ergonomics, high capacity, light weight, easy to shoot accurately enough out to a few hundred meters, and easy cleaning and maintenance at a basic level without any special tools.
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Grant48 wrote:
"Defecation hitting the rotary oscillator" comes in many different shapes and forms.
Anything from 'post Katrina' to outright invasion.
Power outtages. Pandemic. Several different types of the SHTF.
So, with that said, I have to disagree that "SHTF business" is foolish.
Oh, and I don't wear a tin-foil hat, but, I have seen the black helicopter. (A guy at a local municipal airport has one.)
Call me a Boy Scout. "Be Prepared."
http://baxter.redirectme.net:81/tmp/shtf_argentina.htm
Interesting stuff from a guy who is living through SHTF. Based on his observations I would invest my $1000 in some surplus II-A body armor, a high capacity pistol, and an SKS rifle, with whatever cash is remaining going to ammunition and magazines.
Interestingly he says not to discount pistol caliber carbines, which runs contrary to much of the theorizing that goes on here.
Interesting stuff from a guy who is living through SHTF. Based on his observations I would invest my $1000 in some surplus II-A body armor, a high capacity pistol, and an SKS rifle, with whatever cash is remaining going to ammunition and magazines.
Interestingly he says not to discount pistol caliber carbines, which runs contrary to much of the theorizing that goes on here.
Good article. Scary stuff.
After TSHTF in 2001, only the most narrow minded, brain washed, butterfly IQ level idiots believed that the police would protect them from the crime wave that followed the collapse of our economy. A lot of people that could have been considered antigun before, ran to the gun shops, seeking advice on how to defend themselves and their families. They would buy a 38 revolver, a box of ammo, and leave it in the closet, probably believing that it would magically protect them from intruders.
After TSHTF in 2001, only the most narrow minded, brain washed, butterfly IQ level idiots believed that the police would protect them from the crime wave that followed the collapse of our economy. A lot of people that could have been considered antigun before, ran to the gun shops, seeking advice on how to defend themselves and their families. They would buy a 38 revolver, a box of ammo, and leave it in the closet, probably believing that it would magically protect them from intruders.
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