SHTF:What's Your Scenario and Solution?

[pgeleven]

Maybe not for the first month or two, but eventually, most of us are going to have to pay for food, housing, fuel, etc...

if SHTF and it is total anarchy, i dont think the cops are going to come after a squatter who is late on his rent.

 

[illEagle]

Let's get back to the wiskey...

All scotch is wisky but not all whisky is scotch. Scotch Whisky has no "e" in it. Whiskey made any place other than Scottland is spelled with an "e".

I personally prefer a good Kentuky burbon for my stockpile.

 

[pgeleven]

theres a new brand floating around there called Feckin. they made a delicious irish and spiced whiskey, look for it at your favorite retailer!

we're gonna get locked for going OT

 

[woof]

Are you all kidding? A societal breakdown of epic proportions? I can see being prepared for a short term event like Katrina, but societal breakdown of epic proportions? Let me ask you all this - what would do in the "second" year? May as well ask what's the right gun if a giant comet lands right on your head.

 

[Art Eatman]

Why close a thread where you have afficianados of fine scotch and bourbon?

Seems to me there are three possibilities: A Rodney King riot situation, a Katrina situation, and maybe a "Major Collapse".

For the first one, hey, stay away from the area. Or just take off with a few valued possessions if your home is in the area. "Don't be there" works fine for the few days of troubles.

Katrina? You didn't know it was coming? Shame on your ignorant butt. When you have that much warning, "Don't be there" is the operative phrase. Next comes, "Leave early and avoid the rush." If you live in a hurricane zone, you should have studied probabilities since years back, and know what to do. Heck, rent a U-Haul early on, load it, and then figure out if you're gonna stay home through a near-miss and unload and return the trailer. A couple of hundred bucks is chump change.

TEOTWAWKI? this is another situation where there will be plenty of warning. Probably more than a year. You better already be where you need to be, if you're thinking long-term. Hey, start now! You're not likely to leave where you are AFTER things go all to garbage and then make out okay. Some small percentage of follks might, but darned small...

Any old gun is likely to work just fine, but good bourbon is a must-have.

 

[elmerfudd]

I think someone's read FERFAL's stories.

I have, and I felt that they seemed somewhat exaggerated, (or maybe just overly dramatic), but I also found his insights and recommendations to be excellent. I mean the reality is that unless you have a couple years worth of all your necessities and have your mortgage paid off, eventually you're going to have to go out and find food, money, medicine and all the other things you need to survive and to support your family. That means you're going to have to fit into what's left of society to some degree.

I've also read accounts of people who lived through the Yugoslavian civil war in Sarajevo and of civilians living through the war years in Nazi Germany. They were basically about people living day to day, trying to get the bare necessities while staying out of trouble.

 

[Miss Debbie]

What is TEOTWAWKI

 

[pgeleven]

the end of the world as we know it

 

[Miss Debbie]

OK got ya thanks

 

[Rugerlvr]

I live in an earthquake zone, it could happen at any minute, and there's no way to know it's coming.

I like to keep my home stocked up with canned foods for the adults and the babies, water, and lots of first aid supplies, and of course lots of ammo. I doubt it would be necessary, but you never know.

As far as guns, I imagine I'd walk the perimeter with my Mossberg 500 loaded with 1 buck. and my Smith Model 28 on my hip. My wife talks about taking the Mini-14 up to the "widow's walk." by which I guess she means roof. (She uses all this jargon... She's ex-USAR you know...)

Oh, and my liquor cabinet is well stocked.

 

[Andrewsky]

elmerfudd:

I have, and I felt that they seemed somewhat exaggerated, (or maybe just overly dramatic), but I also found his insights and recommendations to be excellent. I mean the reality is that unless you have a couple years worth of all your necessities and have your mortgage paid off, eventually you're going to have to go out and find food, money, medicine and all the other things you need to survive and to support your family. That means you're going to have to fit into what's left of society to some degree.

I've also read accounts of people who lived through the Yugoslavian civil war in Sarajevo and of civilians living through the war years in Nazi Germany. They were basically about people living day to day, trying to get the bare necessities while staying out of trouble.

I felt the same about his stories. Like the time where he snuck up on a guy with a FAL under his coat.

I also think the most likely shtf scenario is an economic shtf.

 

[doc2rn]

1-tequilla if SHTF
2-tequillas if Zombies attack
3-tequillas if I need to whip out high capacity rifle and FN since I am in the sticks
4-tequillas then invite over every hot chick I know for a party at my place for end of the world party.

Then after party pick 3 girls and go to Missouri where we will live on my ancestral farm where all can come to form an army. We elect Oleg President and restore order.

 

[Crow1108]

My favorite SHTF sceneario has to do W/ me standing in my yard, ankle deep in hot brass, in the pre-dawn mists. With the corpses of Zombie hordes, outlaw bikers, phsyco tweekers, or the million mom march. stacked up like cordwood along my fence and the waitresses from the local HOOTERS, huddled behind me begging me to father their children.

Fixed for ya .

If the situation is localized, I'd be driving to the next town up (nowhere near the salt lake city area...these cities kind of run into one-another, so it's easier for something bad to spill into one of the cities.

TEOTWAWKI:

Nah, but seriously. For TEOTWAWKI, I would get a group of trusted, armed friends together (with family members of course), hole up somewhere safe that can be fortified (abandoned warehouse, etc.), squirrel away provisions, and weather it out as best we could. Then we would begin the long, tedious process of reclaiming a sizeable area of land from whatever zombies/space aliens/psychotic clowns decided to infest the world, bringing survivors into our group to fill the ranks, and resupplying as we went.

 

[Afy]

I have a gun... my neighbours dont...

 

[Treo]

Proper Accreditation Of A Quote

Hey guys that Quote I put up about blasting Zombies in my yard was taken from a Post authored by Jeff White.

I AM NOT THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR

 

[elmerfudd]

I felt the same about his stories. Like the time where he snuck up on a guy with a FAL under his coat.

I also think the most likely shtf scenario is an economic shtf.

I never read that one. In fact, I think the only thing I actually read by him was his big essay.

I can actually see a number of causes for the S hitting the F, but I just don't see any of them resulting in some sort of crazy road warrior version of the future. S has HTF before and it's happening now in places like Sadr City, Mogadishu, Tibet and North Korea, but in all those places people still have to find a way to make a living and if you're carrying a rifle it usually means you're part of an army and are therefore a target.

Now in any event, I still plan on having a rifle or ten, I just don't anticipate having them nearby when I really need them.

 

[Organdonor]

My SHTF plan? Nothing I'll post here! Likewise, the place I'd bug out to is so ideal, that I don't even talk about it locally, as I don't want too much competition for it if I need to go there.

The best plan you can have is the one you can pull off. ie, don't plan to bug out to Walmart, since everyone else has the same idea. Likewise, don't say "I'll hole up with 10k rounds of ammo and a selection of AR's," when all you have is a 10/22 and a 550 bulk pack of ammo.

I have three plans. One utilizing what I have on hand, and with the idea that I'll be able to grab it all from home. Another is what I WANT to be able to do... this gives me a shopping list of things I need to procure (generator, more ammo, dry goods, more ammo, camping gear, more ammo.)

The last plan is the most important one... what I will do if I don't have ANYTHING with me. ie, the SHTF while I'm at work. Will I have my AR with me? No. But I will have a GHB in my truck (get home bag). It has what I need if I need to get home from up to 100 miles away... camping stuff, spare clothes, dry food, water, etc. How will I get home? What if I can't go home, but need to head the opposite direction? etc, etc, etc.

These are the fun things that I think about when I can't sleep.

 

[retgarr]

I define my SHTF scenario eh? Ok, so for me that is the case where some strange illness targets all females and kills them off. Somehow as a result aviation and guns are banned. At that point the barrel changes it's pointing direction and I exit the stage.

For the classic scenario, I'm guessing a breakdown of law and order. In that case I have an AK and a CZ75 as far as firearms. But one of my most important items is my hiking backpack. I plan on going wherever it is to get where other people aren't until things calm down. My whole strategy is based on avoiding any situation where a gun would be bought into play. But I'd have to say my greatest preparation asset is my physical fitness. I exercise regularly and stay in shape. If you look at nature the bear has many deffensive assets at it's disposal, but an unhealthy creature still will not survive no matter the size of it's claws or power of it's jaws.

 

[JWarren]

Art wrote:

Why close a thread where you have afficianados of fine scotch and bourbon?

Seems to me there are three possibilities: A Rodney King riot situation, a Katrina situation, and maybe a "Major Collapse".

For the first one, hey, stay away from the area. Or just take off with a few valued possessions if your home is in the area. "Don't be there" works fine for the few days of troubles.

Katrina? You didn't know it was coming? Shame on your ignorant butt. When you have that much warning, "Don't be there" is the operative phrase. Next comes, "Leave early and avoid the rush." If you live in a hurricane zone, you should have studied probabilities since years back, and know what to do. Heck, rent a U-Haul early on, load it, and then figure out if you're gonna stay home through a near-miss and unload and return the trailer. A couple of hundred bucks is chump change.

TEOTWAWKI? this is another situation where there will be plenty of warning. Probably more than a year. You better already be where you need to be, if you're thinking long-term. Hey, start now! You're not likely to leave where you are AFTER things go all to garbage and then make out okay. Some small percentage of follks might, but darned small...

Any old gun is likely to work just fine, but good bourbon is a must-have.

I think Art is pretty spot on. Except that there are a few nuances that he perhaps did not consider. I'll elaborate.

Why close a thread where you have afficianados of fine scotch and bourbon?

Oban single malt killed many of my brain cells in the old days. Mixer? Ice. Container? A wine carafe. Just put some ice in it and pour a bottle over it. It prevents you from having a Coyote morning. Chances are that if you are in a condition where you'd make THAT mistake, the Oban took care of you being able to function as a man. That saved me more than once from an "Oops!" morning.

For the first one, hey, stay away from the area. Or just take off with a few valued possessions if your home is in the area. "Don't be there" works fine for the few days of troubles.

Katrina? You didn't know it was coming? Shame on your ignorant butt. When you have that much warning, "Don't be there" is the operative phrase. Next comes, "Leave early and avoid the rush."

Neither of these are really as simple as it sounds.

Rioting CAN begin rather quickly and it is possible to be caught inside the parameter unexpectedly. In addition, it is concievable that one would feel the need to protect their home/possessions/life's work. I would not fault a person for making that choice.


With a hurricane it's also not as easy as it sounds. I've lived through a number of them. Until that sucker makes landfall, you really DON'T know where it can go. You may be evacuating directly INTO the path of it. This was a problem with Katrina. Some did not know that it would take the exact path it did until it was too late.

A perfect example of how one can turn on you is Hurricane Georges (I think I am remembering the right one.) Here, we were braced for impact and when it was less than 24 hours out, it took a more Northern hook and passed us by.

However... EVERY meterologist was predicting a direct hit of my area-- except one. There is this one guy on Channel 4 News out of New Orleans who predicted the correct path. But he always does. He has the distinction of being the first person to ever fly through the eye of a hurricane. I wish I could remember his name. He retired a while back, but they bring him back any time one gets close.

At any rate...

In addition to not having a sure path until landfall, there is also the reality that you could need to be at your home/property due to looting or damage. I know that if we were not home during Katrina, we would have lost a great deal of property from water damage when the trees went through the roof.

I'll not fault a person for choosing to stay and take care of his life's work/home/property, and I'll not fault a person from staying to be there for his community.

I WILL fault a person for staying when they have neither the skills nor preparation to take care of themselves if they decide to stay.

If you are willing to stay, DO NOT be a burden on others by not being prepared. I had to give gas, money, food, and water to a few able bodied people with good income but had NO preparation.

At the time, I was OK with it. Everyone learned lessons then. Next time, I would expect those that went through Katrina to have learned the same lessons that I did.


-- John

 

[Neo-Luddite]

the waitresses from the local HOOTERS, huddled behind me begging me to father their children.

If they have provided us with a tribute of ample hot wings, my wife will likely give them an extra ten seconds to clear her designated sector of fire.

 

[Treo]

QUOTE:"If they have provided us with a tribute of ample hot wings"

Hot wings piss me off there's not enough meat on them to be worth my time.

However, to keep us OT , I would accept hotwings as survival food.

 

[boatbod]

If its truly SHTF, I'm getting on my sailboat and heading somewhere with less S and no F. If its a localized problem such as a hurricane hit, I'll either be waiting it out at home, or getting the heck out of there beforehand.

If I'm sticking around, potential looters can expect to be welcomed by a 120lb dog, some fast moving 5.56 and some rather slower moving 12ga slugs.

 

[tbtrout]

I like tequila, not bourbon whiskey or scotch am I allowed to survive the end of the world?

 

[Cmdr. Gravez0r]

Shtf

Situaion: Death, Destruction, and Mayhem beating down my door.
Solution: SKS with 500 rds on strippers

 

[kgpcr]

Cslinger i have several bottles of old vintage burbon. Lets get together and drink them! If the SHTF then lets go out smiling!!!