siamese 98 in 45-70

[eastbank]

my sporterized siamese 98 45-70 had a straight unaltered bolt and safety and was not D&T and i was shopping for a gunsmith to do the work when this 98 sporterized siamese came available to me. as i had a buyer for mine if i wanted to sell it, so i bought this one with a 3x9 nikon on it. i called my friend about buying my siamese and he bought it for 25.00 more than i paid for the new one and i sold the 3x9 nikon to another friend for 50.00. so i recieved 75.00 cash back and saved the cost of drilling-tapping,bolt altering, safety change and adjustable trigger. that i think would have cost me more than 200.00. i mounted a 4x leupold on it and i,m stoked about getting it up and running. eastbank.

 

[Mosin Bubba]

I've seen those pop up a few times on gun forums and they just look way too cool.

Let us know how it shoots, some of those old Mausers can really be surprising. I have a beat-up, rusted Turk Mauser that still shoots better than I do.

 

[Merle1]

I assume you will reload for it. Just be aware that it will take much more powerful loads than any of the lever guns, and recoil will become a factor.

 

[eastbank]

i loaded my other siamese pretty stiff (50gr imr-4198 with a 350sp bullet) and killed deer with it, i just wanted to have a scope on it for my old eyes. this doe ran nowhere after being shot with my old siamese. eastbank.

 

[Merle1]

i loaded my other siamese pretty stiff (50gr imr-4198 with a 350sp bullet) and killed deer with it, i just wanted to have a scope on it for my old eyes. this doe ran nowhere after being shot with my old siamese. eastbank.

I'm thinking if you intend to get to the upper end - you'll want a better recoil pad!

 

[eastbank]

i don,t mind recoil when shooting at game, and when sighting it or working up a load i use a lead sled with two 25lbs bags of shot to tame the recoil. eastbank.

 

[aarondhgraham]

Oh my gosh!

Oh my gosh!

That's the rifle I've made several forum inquiries about.
But no one seemed to know what I was talking about.

Way back in 1976 or 1977 I was in the Air Force,,,
A rod & gun club at a small detachment in Wyoming had a few of them.

It seems they were able to order them for just over $100.00 each

I would love to find an original (non-sporterized) version to buy,,,
Anyone know of any for sale?

Aarond

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[eastbank]

i see original unsporterized siamese 98 rifles at the larger gun shows in fair to very good condition(price depends on over all condition). i think they were originly chambered in 8mm in two shells,the first one had a round nose bullet and then they were rechambered for a hotter shell with a spitzer bullet. the load i use shot right on at 100yrds and was about 12" low at 200yrds, with the scope on my new one i will shoot it 2" high at 100yrds and be 5-6" low at 200yrds. that is pretty good for 200yrds deer shooting. eastbank.

 

[Llama Bob]

Oh my gosh!

That's the rifle I've made several forum inquiries about.
But no one seemed to know what I was talking about.

Way back in 1976 or 1977 I was in the Air Force,,,
A rod & gun club at a small detachment in Wyoming had a few of them.

It seems they were able to order them for just over $100.00 each

I would love to find an original (non-sporterized) version to buy,,,
Anyone know of any for sale?

Aarond

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An "unsporterized" one would not be in .45-70

 

[Arizona_Mike]

I'd wanted one of these (or second choice Gibbs.45-70 Enfield--even reamed to .45-90!) for a long time (decades) and given up. Bought a .458 Win Mag Whitworth Express Rifle instead.

Mike

 

[Jim Watson]

A Mauser action set up for a rimmed cartridge is a treasure.

I read a gunzine article about the guy who went the other way and necked down .30-40 Krag brass in a .22-250 die and barreled his Siamese for it. It came out a bit smaller volume but shot about the same.

 

[aarondhgraham]

An "unsporterized" one would not be in .45-70

These rifles were mil-surp in their original configuration.

And were chambered for 45-70.

They were not converted 98's.

Aarond

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[Elkins45]

These rifles were mil-surp in their original configuration.

And were chambered for 45-70.

They were not converted 98's.

Aarond

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I've learned two new things today.

 

[eastbank]

the siamese service 98 rifles were all ways in 8mm, type 45 rifles were in 8x50r and the type 66 rifles (rechambered) were in 8x52r and never in 45-70. what the 98 siamese mausers had were a large bolt face and magizine made to handle rimmed shells making them canidates for converision to large rimmed sporting cartiges with out much gunsmithing to the action. eastbank.

 

[Curator]

The Siamese M46 & M47 Mauser rifles were originally chambered for the 8X50R cartridge, later upgraded to 8X52R. Thew were converted in the US (mostly) for .45-70 because the rim diameter of the 8X50R is similar to the .45-70 and the bolt/extractor/magazine was designed to feed rimmed cartridges. They were not originally chambered for the .45-70 cartridges. Thailand/Siam did field a variant of the M71 Mauser and later a M84 Mauser in 11X60R Mauser chambering. This cartridge looks somewhat like a US .45-70 Gov't. cartridge causing the confusion.

 

[morcey2]

I've been trying to find one for years. It's one of my unicorns. One came up for sale on a local website and was sold within about an hour. I even had money for it at the time. It was a sad day. So I'm still looking.

Matt

 

[Captcurt]

Pretty cool.

I sold one on GB a couple of years back. It was a consignment and I didn't shoot it but I sure wanted to. It was nicely blued, had a nice sporter stock and was drilled and tapped. It was heavy enough to soften the recoil too. I bet it weighed 10 pounds.

 

[bikemutt]

That's real nice eastbank. With a roll like that, you should go buy a lottery ticket

 

[Merle1]

These rifles were mil-surp in their original configuration.

And were chambered for 45-70.

They were not converted 98's.

Aarond

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Wrong. They were in 8mm, either an 8x50R or the later 8x52R.

 

[StrawHat]

When sold by Navy Arms, the Siamese Mauser was chambered in the 45-70 cartridge and a military style stock. Perhaps that is what aarondhgraham meant?

Kevin

 

[Jim Watson]

It was heavy enough to soften the recoil too. I bet it weighed 10 pounds.

Most sporterized Siamese come out bulky and heavy. Is it on purpose to hold down the recoil of overloaded .45-70 or is that just the way the stocks are made for the deep rimmed round magazine box?

 

[Llama Bob]

Dupe

 

[Llama Bob]

These rifles were mil-surp in their original configuration.

And were chambered for 45-70.

They were not converted 98's.

Aarond

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I do not believe any country has ever had or even considered a .45-70 Mauser military rifle - certainly not in the nitro era. It simply makes no sense, since any of the Mauser bottle neck cartridges is far superior to .45-70 for military applications.

Re-barreling one but retaining the military stock is a real possibility.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

When sold by Navy Arms, the Siamese Mauser was chambered in the 45-70 cartridge and a military style stock. Perhaps that is what aarondhgraham meant?

Kevin

Perhaps, but the Navy Arms guns were only a small subset of the conversions. Many gunsmiths did these conversions and the guns were very popular in Alaska.

Mike

 

[aarondhgraham]

In any discussion there often comes that terrible moment,,,

In any discussion there often comes that terrible moment,,,
When you realize that you are wrong.



Gentlemen,,,
I stand corrected.

Aarond

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