Sickening abuse of office

[TheeBadOne]

I understand that may be the way the laws are written, but that does not make them "right" or justified. Hence my personal objections. And I see the same (or greater) reasoning behind enforcing speed limits on private property as DUI ...

If someones driving conduct was so outrageous, the charge of "Careless Driving" or "Reckless Driving" could be pursued.

2 cents

 

[Don Gwinn]

Theebadone, you can roll your eyes, but are you really going to claim you don't think "the locals" pick through evidence and forfeitures in a lot of places? How much stuff disappears from Chicago evidence rooms? The Springifeld, IL PD "lost" $11 million worth of items from its evidence lockers, mostly drugs and guns, not so many years ago.
It's well known in my little town that anything an officer seizes or confiscates is essentially his until (and unless) he decides to report it and turn it in. The hard part is getting the victims to stand up for themselves because like the guy in this story they spend all their time trying to convince people that they weren't driving drunk through a campsite on a frozen lake killing children (to use your own example.)

Google "Matt Beauchamp" and "Chicago gun buy back" sometime. Beuchamp proved that collectible guns taken in Chicago's buybacks were "disappearing."

I trust some of my LEO friends from THR with my life, but I don't know many officers in real life I can say that about with a straight face.

Once that Arisaka and sword are "destroyed," for instance, there will be no reason for anyone to suppose they might be over the chief's mantle.

 

[TheeBadOne]

Respectfully

Are there bad cops? Sure. Is some forfeited property misused? Sure. This is the vast minority. It's akin to a study done that shows people spend 99% of the time worrying about things they have no control over and only 1% about things they do.
If you really understood all the fricking paper work associated with civil forfeiture you'd know why I rolled my eyes. There is an appeal process served at the same time, so who ever got what ever taken can appeal to the court to have it returned. The post I rolled my eyes at was specifically talking about this, that the stuff is just freely given to whoever. There are very specific rules about what happens to things forfeited. The Police Dept does not control this, state law does. You might be surprised that most of what gets forfeited, the $$$ does not go to the Police Dept, but is broken down and given to several entities, the closest to the PD is the City General Fund. That's right, the Mayer/Council can do with it what they want, including not giving the PD a dime of it (and they often don't). The only thing directly ear marked for the PD is drug forfeitures (excluding currency, which still goes to the Gen Fund). These are earmarked for Drug Enforcement. There are checks and balances (audits by Feds) to make sure things are used for what they are intended. If not, heavy penalties (real a ton of bricks hitting you in the back of the head) are strictly enforced.

I think what you are talking about is "bad cops" in general (we've all been over this before and understand each other).

All the best

TBO

 

[Bill Hook]

I was visiting Cincinnati during thanksgiving and a Cincy cop was keeping turned-in guns for himself, according to the news. Perhaps someone has more info or a link? Anyway, a friend's dad used to work in an unnamed OH county and he took guns home that the deputies didn't want from the evidence room as a maintenance supervisor for that county on their way to the incinerator, where only the worst crap ended up.

 

[Balog]

TBO wrote:

Are there bad cops? Sure. Is some forfeited property misused? Sure. This is the vast minority.

Really? Do you have any compelling reason to believe this? Can you offer any compelling reasons for us to believe this?

 

[TheeBadOne]

Really? Do you have any compelling reason to believe this? Can you offer any compelling reasons for us to believe this?

Personal observation from inside what everyone else is speculating from on the outside.

All the best

TBO

 

[Balog]

An excellent testimony about your department. However, I still don't see that as any sort of a reason to think that most cops are clean. And people who've been violated by cops (or in the case of one fellow I used to work with, people who've been involved in bribing cops) would most assuredly be on the inside of the police corruption discussion.

Best wishes.

 

[TheeBadOne]

An excellent testimony about your department......

(Department(s)........and hundreds of Officers through PERSONAL experience, not 3 rd hand. Also, all the other Jurisdictions worked with.

Speculation, of any kind, just doesn't cut it. Generalizations (painting with a broad brush) are indicative of a bias, not a problem with the subject matter.

2 cents

 

[Balog]

Generalizations (painting with a broad brush) are indicative of a bias, not a problem with the subject matter.

Indeed. Which is why I find your generalization of most cops as clean troubling.

 

[TheeBadOne]

Indeed. Which is why I find your generalization of most cops as clean troubling.

...but have no problem with the idea of most cops as dirty.
Thus, the "bias".

TBO

 

[Balog]

I don't recall having ever said that the majority of cops are dishonest. But I often hear LEO's on this board saying that such officers are in the minority, while never providing any support for their position. And I still fail to see how saying that I'm biased would change the fact that you are biased.

 

[TheeBadOne]

And I still fail to see how saying that I'm biased would change the fact that you are biased.

I speak from first hand experience. You speak from third hand and Internet board stories, innuendos, and speculation.

All the best

TBO

 

[Balog]

I speak from first hand experience. You speak from third hand and Internet board stories, innuendos, and speculation.

That's rather presumptous, isn't it? I base my opinion that corruption is more widespread than most of the LEO's on this board seem to think on a variety of sources. News stories are one source. First hand experience is another.

And I fail to see how saying "None of the cops I've dealt with with have done anything illegal that I know of." is a more convincing argument than "I've seen a great deal of evidence that police corruption is somewhat widespread."

 

[TheeBadOne]

I attribute part of it to your youth. As you grow older things will look different to you. Basing things on news stories, you'll have to agree, show that there's a terrible problem with gun violence and gun crime, and we'd all be much better off if nobody could own guns, right?

2 cents

 

[Balog]

Ah, so we're resorting to "I'm older than you so you're wrong" type arguments now, eh? Just out of idle curiousity, do you even know how old I am? It's quite possible, I've mentioned it several times.

As to news stories being unreliable.... I agree, to a point. If one bases their conclusion solely on the reporters opinion then your statement is accurate. If, however, you simply note that an officer has been charged/convicted of abuse of his powers; and then use the volume of such stories as one part of the facts upon which your opinion is based......

To sum up my position on news stories, they can be useful as long as you don't let them tell you to think.

 

[TheeBadOne]

"I'm older than you so you're wrong"

Nope. I'm talking about "Life Experiance".

 

[Balog]

I've often thought "Life Experiance" is overrated. Besides, we've already established that you're biased in this matter. I fail to see how the reasons why you are biased are relevant.

All the best.

 

[TheeBadOne]

I've often thought "Life Experiance" is overrated. Besides, we've already established that you're biased in this matter. I fail to see how the reasons why you are biased are relevant.

Now that's a hoot!
My 1st hand experience takes a backseat to 3rd hand experience, news paper/TV reporters and Net forums.
I hope you don't consider 1st hand experience "overrated".
Part of being "Biased" is being unable to acknowledge things that don't fit your view (being inflexible). You are a young man with great potential and I hope you grow to appreciate people around you (and those who are not).

All the best

TBO

 

[Balog]

Now that's a hoot!

Glad I can amuse.

My 1st hand experience takes a backseat to 3rd hand experience, news paper/TV reporters and Net forums.

No, but my own 1st hand experience, combined with officers being charged/convicted (how I find about these cases seems irrelevant) make a good case.

I hope you don't consider 1st hand experience "overrated".

Actually I do. I know a person with an early model Ford Pinto which has over 150,000 miles with only minimal maintenance. Based on his "1st hand experience" they are great, reliable cars. But a perusal of objective reports about the vehicle would lead one to think otherwise. My brother purchased a Beretta which would misfeed two to three times per magazine. Based on his "1st hand experience" they are horrible, unreliable guns. But a review of objective reports would lead one to believe this isn't the case. I think Skunkabilly's experiences with his M1A should prove the value of not basing one's opinions solely on "1st hand experience."

Part of being "Biased" is being unable to acknowledge things that don't fit your view (being inflexible).

Again, I fail to see how this would apply to me anymore than it would apply to you.

You are a young man with great potential and I hope you grow to appreciate people around you (and those who are not).

Why thanks. Although I think the assumption that I don't appreciate the people in my life is quite presumptous. Perhaps you should have some "1st hand experience" with me before you judge my attitude in that way.

God bless.

 

[TheeBadOne]

Count the number of "Bad Police" cases you can verify. Now count the number of Sworn LEO's. That is what you are ignoring (subconsciously or not).
I'm not suggesting you're ignoring the people in your life. I spoke of appreciating people around you, and not.

TBO

 

[Balog]

I'm going to bed now so I'll have to continue this later. However, I'm a bit confused by this

I'm not suggesting you're ignoring the people in your life. I spoke of appreciating people around you, and not.

I'm not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that I'm failing to appreciate the police in my area? Just not clear what you feel I'm not appreciating.

Good night.

 

[TheeBadOne]

Good night. Just saying that we miss a lot of what is around us, that's all. No harsh accusation intended.

TBO

 

[Grey54956]

If the $1000 note is officially out of circulation, is it still considered legal tender?

If it isn't considered legal tender, then it can no longer be counted as money, and becomes a non-monetary object. So, it would have to be given back, like a wedding ring or other personal property.

 

[cordex]

If the $1000 note is officially out of circulation, is it still considered legal tender?

I'm pretty sure the way it works in the US is that when a bill is taken out of circulation, it is sent - when deposited - by banks to the treasury department for destruction. However, it will (theoretically) always be worth at least the face value in the United States and can be spent as such. Thus it is still legal tender.

I think.

 

[gunsmith]

I just called the mayors office

got to leave a message.
If I remember to,I will call again monday.
I might call their police dept as well,what the heck,I am in Frisco
and can make as many calls as I like for a flat fee...