I have seen side by side shotguns taken apart. I love side by sides, the nostalgia is memorable. I want to buy a coach gun and shorten to barrels to 9-11" or so, but since the barrels can be taken off, is it possible to put a second set of barrels on it lets say 26", from the same company of course? I can't find any information on it, thanks
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RickMD
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Before you shorten those barrels to less than 18" you'd better first apply for a $200 tax stamp from the BATF or risk ten years in Federal Prison and a $10,000 fine. I suggest that you read up on the National Firearms Act of 1932.
The Feds don't take kindly to shotgun barrels shorter than 18".
The Feds don't take kindly to shotgun barrels shorter than 18".
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oneounceload
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Second sets of barrels need fitting
Cutting down barrels that short will reduce velocities dramatically
Recoil, flash, and noise would be brutal
The tax stamp, IMO, would be better served with something better made
Cutting down barrels that short will reduce velocities dramatically
Recoil, flash, and noise would be brutal
The tax stamp, IMO, would be better served with something better made
straightshooter9
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OH, yea.......don't forget to pay another tax for something you already own! :banghead:
What-the-Hell does a "TAX" have to do with shortening a barrel???????
I'm expecting SHEIK OBAMA to come out with some sort of huge "DEATH" Tax for buying weapons in the future..........
I really wish the beauracrats would stay out of our daily lives.......
OK, I FEEL BETTER NOW, where's my Capt Morgan...........
What-the-Hell does a "TAX" have to do with shortening a barrel???????
I'm expecting SHEIK OBAMA to come out with some sort of huge "DEATH" Tax for buying weapons in the future..........
I really wish the beauracrats would stay out of our daily lives.......
OK, I FEEL BETTER NOW, where's my Capt Morgan...........
oneounceload
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Read the law and find out
Milkmaster
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BY a SxS that already has an extra set of barrels and shorten one set to your liking. That scenario would be more practical and more likely IMO.
Something like a Stoeger Coach Gun Supreme that comes with two sets of barrel would work and not break the bank.
Something like a Stoeger Coach Gun Supreme that comes with two sets of barrel would work and not break the bank.
MCgunner
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1934 gun control act......the "tax stamp". It more than just a tax. It's the same law that governs full auto, cane guns, some other "destructive devices".
Why is it you need a tax stamp to shorten the barrel on a shotgun below 18 inches and yet you can legally purchase a Judge revolver which has a barrel much shorter than that and can fire .410 guage shells in addition to regular pistol bullets. Why isn't the Judge revolver considered a short barreled shotgun/destructive device while a shotgun with a shortened barrel is?
Lucas_Y
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Rifling.
USAF_Vet
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Rifling, yes. And because the Judge was not designed to be fired from the shoulder. Because of those two things, it is considered a pistol, not a SBS. In reality, it's a .45LC revolver that also happens to chamber a 410 bore shotshell. I know, the average person may think it's simple semantics, but who ever said The BATFE would ever make sense?
So based on the statements from the last two people iff I take a remington 870, install a RIFLED slug barrel and pistol grip, and chop the barrel down to about 12 inches I don't need to get a tax stamp or do any paperwork with the Bureau of Arson, Terrorism, and Fascism then right?
oneounceload
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No, you have not been paying attention - and your BS names for gov't agencies is unnecessary and uncalled for on this forum
You REALLY need to become educated and learn to READ the laws regarding NFA weapons
Try this - 16" barrels for rifles, 18" barrels for shotguns, 26" overall - it isn't hard to grasp
But you can do whatever you want to become a felon.....really............
You REALLY need to become educated and learn to READ the laws regarding NFA weapons
Try this - 16" barrels for rifles, 18" barrels for shotguns, 26" overall - it isn't hard to grasp
But you can do whatever you want to become a felon.....really............
MCgunner
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The judge is legal BECAUSE IT HAS RIFLING AND IS A .45 Colt. It also happens to chamber and fire .410. Thompson Center took this all the way to the SCOTUS when the ATF tried to outlaw the .410/.45 Colt barrel on the contender and they won. There is the TC, the Thunder Five, the Judge, and now the Governor that shoot .45 Colt, .410, all sort of worthless except the TC which is choked, but that's JMHO. Some folks find uses for the things or think they're fun. I do like my TC .410, but it really is just fun, no real use.
ANYWAY, it has nothing to do with the judge being a pistol. There is a barrel length requirement AND an overall minimum length requrement via the 1934 GCA. The Judge would be quite illegal sans the rifling and the fact that it's a .45 Colt. 12 gauge, even if rifled, is still not a pistol caliber. They recently tried to get a 28 gauge Judge approved by ATF and it didn't go. It has no rifling. It fires no other ammo, but 28 gauge. At least I don't think they rifled it, they might have, but it'd still be illegal because it only shoots 28 gauge.
ANYWAY, it has nothing to do with the judge being a pistol. There is a barrel length requirement AND an overall minimum length requrement via the 1934 GCA. The Judge would be quite illegal sans the rifling and the fact that it's a .45 Colt. 12 gauge, even if rifled, is still not a pistol caliber. They recently tried to get a 28 gauge Judge approved by ATF and it didn't go. It has no rifling. It fires no other ammo, but 28 gauge. At least I don't think they rifled it, they might have, but it'd still be illegal because it only shoots 28 gauge.
I know the ultimate answer!!!! a shotgun is far more deadly than a pistol at close range. a shotgun under 18" is, let's be honest, not very to conceal in public, a double barrel 11" 12 gauge shotgun with 2 triggers is quite scary, if any body could get one....a knife would be a crooks last choice
bushmaster1313
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Check this out from another Forum on how to legally make a short barreled shotgun:
I have no idea if it is legally accurate, and it is de facto NOT allowed in New Jersey, but it makes for a nice read:
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=80131
I have no idea if it is legally accurate, and it is de facto NOT allowed in New Jersey, but it makes for a nice read:
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=80131
USAF_Vet
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like your Rem 870 was. If it was ever designed to be fired from the shoulder, you have a shotgun (or a rifle). Any modification of these fire arms below minimum bbl and over all lengths requires a tax stamp. Period. And then, only if your state allows NFA weapons. There are no loopholes. The Judge, TC, Thunder 5, governor, et al, were designed, approved, marketed and sold as pistols, meeting all requirements of a pistol. The fact that it also fires a 410 shotshell is irrelevant, as it is not a shotgun and never was intended to be a shotgun. Also, your theoretical chopped Rem870, albeit rifled, would be over .500 caliber, thus in the realm of NFA, unless the Rem870 and rifled bbl were in .410, but it would still be a SBS.
PGO shotguns meet the minimum bbl length, and typically the minimum over all length. If they fall below OAL, it is an AOW, and requires a $5 tax stamp and a minimum age of 21 for purchase, if I understand things correctly.
I'm expecting SHEIK OBAMA to come out with some sort of huge "DEATH" Tax for buying weapons in the future..........
You do understand that the NFA taxes have been around long before Obama, right?
I love how the underinformed and uninterested in being informed can just blame anything on Obama. I'm not defending the guy, but I don't seek out Colonel Sander's grave to piss on when KFC tortures their livestock or serves the general public tumors.
Bureaucracy and ignorance. The Judge is rifled, so it's technically a handgun from the get-go, intended to shoot 45 LC, but conveniently just happens to handle .410, as well.
What paying the government has to do with letting you own something they consider more dangerous than a normal firearm is beyond me.
Really? You're defending the group that seems to absolutely hate gun advocates, kills innocent people by mistake, and just dumped thousands of illegal guns into Mexico for a scheme more convoluted and moronic than something from an animated Superman movie?
Whether you agree with the person's point of view or not, you should refrain from recommending they commit acts of felony.
I thought those were already on the market?
RickMD
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Oneounceload never suggested that anyone break the law. He correctly pointed out that shortening a barrel of a shotgun to less than 18" violates federal law (The National Firearms Act of 1932) and is a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison and a $10,000 fine.
The Judge is classified and sold as a handgun; not a shotgun. Subsequently laws pertaining to shotguns don't apply. You can fire a 2 1/2" 410 shotgun shell in a 45-70 rifle for that matter but that doesn't make it a shotgun.
One can carp about Obama, the BATF, tax stamps, and gun laws in general until the cows come home but it doesn't change the laws that have been on the books for eighty years. Wack off a shotgun barrel to less than 18" or a rifle barrel to less than 16" and you've committed a federal felony unless you register the weapon.
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