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Keep politics out of here. It has no place and adds zero.
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Keep politics out of here. It has no place and adds zero.
I can tell by your name that your opinion is worthwhile.
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You should all read the actual report from the Army on testing the XM-17 and XM-18 pistols because some problems have been misrepresented or magnified in these articles from civilian publications and websites:
http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2017/pdf/army/2017mhs.pdf
As an example, the Army said that "During PVT testing with the ball ammunition, both MHS variant pistols would occasionally experience double ejections in which it would eject unspent ammunition along with the spent ammunition." But in these articles "occasionally" becomes either "has a propensity to" or "frequently", which suggests that the authors have gone out of their way to magnify the problems encountered.
If you read the article, you will see that the 9 mm ball ammo that was used in the tests is not the 124 grain round-nose NATO 9mm ammo we are all familiar with. It has a 115 grain projectile with a truncated nose. You will also find that the percentages quoted do not refer to the likelihood of a single pistol successfully completing a full magazine load. The percentages refer to the likelihood of a single pistol successfully completing a 96 hour mission without stoppage or failure.
As has been pointed out, a large percentage of the "stoppages" were failure of slide lock back on an empty magazine and 60% of these "stoppages" occurred in the hands of 8 out of 132 shooters, strongly suggesting a user-error issue.
Two triggers "splintered" but the total sample size of pistols tested was not stated, nor is the round count prior to failure, so it is hard to assess the magnitude of this issue.
The P320 was released years before its selection by the Army for the MHS program and there have been a half-million or more in civilian or law enforcement hands. The most frequent stoppages I have heard of with the P320 has been extraction issues. Failures to feed have occasionally been reported on various forums but these do not seem to be very common. And ejection of live rounds has been virtually unheard of until now. Which begs the question as to whether the live round ejections and feed issues are unique to the truncated nose ball ammo used in the Army tests.
It seems likely to me that the live round ejection issue is something that can be dealt with fairly easily with a modification of the feed lips on the current magazines. The trigger issue may require a modification in design, materials, or construction.
http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2017/pdf/army/2017mhs.pdf
As an example, the Army said that "During PVT testing with the ball ammunition, both MHS variant pistols would occasionally experience double ejections in which it would eject unspent ammunition along with the spent ammunition." But in these articles "occasionally" becomes either "has a propensity to" or "frequently", which suggests that the authors have gone out of their way to magnify the problems encountered.
If you read the article, you will see that the 9 mm ball ammo that was used in the tests is not the 124 grain round-nose NATO 9mm ammo we are all familiar with. It has a 115 grain projectile with a truncated nose. You will also find that the percentages quoted do not refer to the likelihood of a single pistol successfully completing a full magazine load. The percentages refer to the likelihood of a single pistol successfully completing a 96 hour mission without stoppage or failure.
As has been pointed out, a large percentage of the "stoppages" were failure of slide lock back on an empty magazine and 60% of these "stoppages" occurred in the hands of 8 out of 132 shooters, strongly suggesting a user-error issue.
Two triggers "splintered" but the total sample size of pistols tested was not stated, nor is the round count prior to failure, so it is hard to assess the magnitude of this issue.
The P320 was released years before its selection by the Army for the MHS program and there have been a half-million or more in civilian or law enforcement hands. The most frequent stoppages I have heard of with the P320 has been extraction issues. Failures to feed have occasionally been reported on various forums but these do not seem to be very common. And ejection of live rounds has been virtually unheard of until now. Which begs the question as to whether the live round ejections and feed issues are unique to the truncated nose ball ammo used in the Army tests.
It seems likely to me that the live round ejection issue is something that can be dealt with fairly easily with a modification of the feed lips on the current magazines. The trigger issue may require a modification in design, materials, or construction.
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it actually goes back to my best friend and I giving each other mama jokes since we were in third grade.
Again do you have a point or anything tangible to contribute? If you do make it already.
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