Roccobro
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Funny you mention your Ruger with TS upper SSorey. My P22 is more reliable than my Packlite MKIII! Still trying more brands of ammo, but kind of bummed with spending 2x the price of my P22....
Justin
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Sig Mosquito vs. Walther p22
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I own a P22, OD frame black slide. I have no clue where the hate comes from... mine has seen over 5,000 rounds of Federal ammo. I have had three failures in 5,000 rounds, two due to the first round in the magazine popping up when slapped in hard, both failures from the same magazine, and one fail to fire after many re-strikes (bad round). I own 5 factory magazines for my P22, too.
The P22 has a better trigger than the Mosquito as well as cheaper magazines, and the ability to change back and forth between barrel lengths easily, plus the ambi mag release. I love Sig stuff, I own two 226 pistols, but I am not a fan of the Mosquito. To each his own.
I did not consider a Mk II or III, not because they are bad guns, but because they are heavy bricks with non-standard controls (mag release, safety, etc). I would like to own one one day, though, because they are very nice pistols. Plus, the sights on the Mk II kick the ass of Mosquito and P22 sights any day.
For anyone complaining about the zinc slide... get over it. Polymer framed pistols were inferior pieces of junk that got weak in the sun 30 years ago and the opinion was that they were all crap. The early P22s had problems with slide cracks due to the way the slide was produced, just like early polymers were more sensitive to UV light. Technology improves.
The P22 does have a steel breech block, by the way.
The P22 has a better trigger than the Mosquito as well as cheaper magazines, and the ability to change back and forth between barrel lengths easily, plus the ambi mag release. I love Sig stuff, I own two 226 pistols, but I am not a fan of the Mosquito. To each his own.
I did not consider a Mk II or III, not because they are bad guns, but because they are heavy bricks with non-standard controls (mag release, safety, etc). I would like to own one one day, though, because they are very nice pistols. Plus, the sights on the Mk II kick the ass of Mosquito and P22 sights any day.
For anyone complaining about the zinc slide... get over it. Polymer framed pistols were inferior pieces of junk that got weak in the sun 30 years ago and the opinion was that they were all crap. The early P22s had problems with slide cracks due to the way the slide was produced, just like early polymers were more sensitive to UV light. Technology improves.
The P22 does have a steel breech block, by the way.
cabopc
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This thread is still pertinent to me as I'm currently trying to decide on a .22. I'm been shooting the P22 and the Sig at my local range and have enjoyed them both. I prefer the the size and feel of the Sig though. It also looks more like a typical pistol. I've put a few hundred rounds through each without any trouble. Many people rec'd a Luger but I just can't get past how weird they look.
TexasBill
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I own both the Mosquito and the P22 and my wife also has a P22. My wife, college-age daughter and 11-year-old son like the P22 because of its size while I prefer the SIG for the same reason. The Mosquito is one of the most comfortable guns I have ever owned and I like the extra weight.
The SIG is a bit more finicky about ammunition than the Walther but I have found that Remington Golden Bullets in the 525-cartridge bulk pack work very well in both, as do the recommended CCI MiniMags. At less than five cents a shot, the Remington does just fine for a day of plinking at the range. Some recommend the Federal ammo from Wal-Mart, but my local Wally World never seems to have any 22 LR at all, so I haven't been able to put it to the test. I have tried a bunch of different types of 22LR but wound up feeding most of them to the Henry which happily feeds just about anything.
I have owned the Browning and a Colt Woodsman in the past and have shot the Ruger. They are all very fine pistols, but I think the Mosquito and P22 are more fun.
As far as bagging stew meat goes, I live in a city so my varmint-huntin' opportunities are limited; people would probably get a bit upset if I started popping the neighborhood squirrels. And even back in the days when I lived where I could go after rabbits, prairie dogs, armadillos and such, I usually just used a rifle because of the ranges.
In the end, if you've shot them both and like the way the SIG feels, you should get the SIG. After all, you're the one who's going to be plunking down your hard-earned for the gun and you should get the one that feels best to you. Feed it the right ammunition and you'll have a pistol that's comfortable to shoot, easy to maintain, and will give you lots of shooting pleasure.
And that's the whole point, isn't it?
The SIG is a bit more finicky about ammunition than the Walther but I have found that Remington Golden Bullets in the 525-cartridge bulk pack work very well in both, as do the recommended CCI MiniMags. At less than five cents a shot, the Remington does just fine for a day of plinking at the range. Some recommend the Federal ammo from Wal-Mart, but my local Wally World never seems to have any 22 LR at all, so I haven't been able to put it to the test. I have tried a bunch of different types of 22LR but wound up feeding most of them to the Henry which happily feeds just about anything.
I have owned the Browning and a Colt Woodsman in the past and have shot the Ruger. They are all very fine pistols, but I think the Mosquito and P22 are more fun.
As far as bagging stew meat goes, I live in a city so my varmint-huntin' opportunities are limited; people would probably get a bit upset if I started popping the neighborhood squirrels. And even back in the days when I lived where I could go after rabbits, prairie dogs, armadillos and such, I usually just used a rifle because of the ranges.
In the end, if you've shot them both and like the way the SIG feels, you should get the SIG. After all, you're the one who's going to be plunking down your hard-earned for the gun and you should get the one that feels best to you. Feed it the right ammunition and you'll have a pistol that's comfortable to shoot, easy to maintain, and will give you lots of shooting pleasure.
And that's the whole point, isn't it?
midiwall
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I was gonna resurrect this thread when I bought a Mosquito a couple of weeks ago, but I figured I'd wait and see if someone else did it first. Thanks Bill! 
I bought a Pink Mosquito for my (to be) step-daughter's graduation/18th bday. Of course, she got to shoot the first rounds out of it, but her mom and I both got to put a few rounds downrange as well.
I'd read the basic 50/50 reviews of this gun in terms of FTE's but we shot 200+ rounds of Aguila High Velocity (couldn't find any CCI MiniMags) and it did just fine. Yes, we had a couple of FTE's but I'm confident that a) the gun was still tight, and b) the CCI MiniMags will be better.
I had stripped/cleaned/lubed the gun before we left and I was left really impressed at the end of the range time. We may have to get a black one too.
Nice gun. Good feel (gotta polish that trigger though). Good weight. VERY accurate. Very happy.
I bought a Pink Mosquito for my (to be) step-daughter's graduation/18th bday. Of course, she got to shoot the first rounds out of it, but her mom and I both got to put a few rounds downrange as well.
I'd read the basic 50/50 reviews of this gun in terms of FTE's but we shot 200+ rounds of Aguila High Velocity (couldn't find any CCI MiniMags) and it did just fine. Yes, we had a couple of FTE's but I'm confident that a) the gun was still tight, and b) the CCI MiniMags will be better.
I had stripped/cleaned/lubed the gun before we left and I was left really impressed at the end of the range time. We may have to get a black one too.
Nice gun. Good feel (gotta polish that trigger though). Good weight. VERY accurate. Very happy.
Roccobro
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A pink Mosquito...
I might be buying one afterall!
Justin
I might be buying one afterall!
Justin
rc109a
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EDIT: OMG I did not realize just how old this thread was until I went back and looked at the dates. I sure hope the OP has made his decision by now... Anyway here is my recent observations as of Thursday 18th, 2009:
I don't own one, but was going to buy one. Instead I borrowed my friend's Mesquito.
This gun was new and never fired. We went down to the range and I took my brand new MK3 Comp with 6 7/8 barrel. I love the feel of the mesquito, but found the trigger really sloppy. The take up was way way to long. The gun jammed almost consitantly using Winchester, Remington, and Federal bulk packs.
The mark3 never even cared what t was feed. It fired everything without any malfunctions.
These guns both had the exact amount of rounds fired through them. The both started with zero that day. After fighting the mesquito for 4 hours we gave up and only have 100 rnds fired through it. The MK3 got 800rnds shot down range.
My friend is now trying to sell it to get a MK3. I am sure others will say it is ammo picky, but I don't want to be tied up in a gun that can only fire certain rounds, I am cheap and want to fire what ever I can get (did I mention cheap). Afterall this gun is for plinking and having fun, not for pulling my hair out everytime I go to the range.
I am sure there are other opinions, and I hope you read them all. Take a good assesment and make your own decision. Both guns have had issues, but I got to fire two brand new guns (that were properly cleaned before shooting) side by side and this is just my opinion. Good luck and let us know what you decide...
I don't own one, but was going to buy one. Instead I borrowed my friend's Mesquito.
This gun was new and never fired. We went down to the range and I took my brand new MK3 Comp with 6 7/8 barrel. I love the feel of the mesquito, but found the trigger really sloppy. The take up was way way to long. The gun jammed almost consitantly using Winchester, Remington, and Federal bulk packs.
The mark3 never even cared what t was feed. It fired everything without any malfunctions.
These guns both had the exact amount of rounds fired through them. The both started with zero that day. After fighting the mesquito for 4 hours we gave up and only have 100 rnds fired through it. The MK3 got 800rnds shot down range.
My friend is now trying to sell it to get a MK3. I am sure others will say it is ammo picky, but I don't want to be tied up in a gun that can only fire certain rounds, I am cheap and want to fire what ever I can get (did I mention cheap). Afterall this gun is for plinking and having fun, not for pulling my hair out everytime I go to the range.
I am sure there are other opinions, and I hope you read them all. Take a good assesment and make your own decision. Both guns have had issues, but I got to fire two brand new guns (that were properly cleaned before shooting) side by side and this is just my opinion. Good luck and let us know what you decide...
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I have never heard much info on another "combat-style" .22. Anybody have anything to say on the Beretta Cheetah .22 model? Looks like a neat gun. I might get one....if I could win the lottery! Most .22 Cheetahs I have seen run in the 600 dollar range.
I like my p-22 , but I am aware of its limitations. Mine only shoots CCI minimags and Remington Vipers reliably. My Ruger Mark II is a better gun in functionalty but it is heavy as a rifle.
I like my p-22 , but I am aware of its limitations. Mine only shoots CCI minimags and Remington Vipers reliably. My Ruger Mark II is a better gun in functionalty but it is heavy as a rifle.
Sig is great!
After reading all the doubtful and scary talk about the mosquito i went out and purchased one anyway. The first time i shot it i used cci mini mags as recommended and i had function problems galore but after consistently using mini mags for 700 rounds and cleaning it really really good and keeping it well lubricated the problems melted away. Now im shooting hundreds of the federal .22 rounds (the cheap stuff) every time i go to the range i don't have a single problem whatsoever. And its accurate i can consistently shoot 1 inch groups at 10 yards.
The bottom line. Sig has sucessfully worked out all of the bugs with the older models and the newer guns when properly maintained are an exelent training weapon and a hoot to shoot, and for $299 how could you go wrong
After reading all the doubtful and scary talk about the mosquito i went out and purchased one anyway. The first time i shot it i used cci mini mags as recommended and i had function problems galore but after consistently using mini mags for 700 rounds and cleaning it really really good and keeping it well lubricated the problems melted away. Now im shooting hundreds of the federal .22 rounds (the cheap stuff) every time i go to the range i don't have a single problem whatsoever. And its accurate i can consistently shoot 1 inch groups at 10 yards.
The bottom line. Sig has sucessfully worked out all of the bugs with the older models and the newer guns when properly maintained are an exelent training weapon and a hoot to shoot, and for $299 how could you go wrong
Roccobro
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Twilliams- Welcome to The High Road. Glad you got you got your Sig working good. GIves me hope on buying one someday.
But just so we get this straight... After running the expensive/premium ammo for 700 rounds, with MANY problems, that is considered "Sig has successfully worked out all of the bugs"??? lol
Justin
But just so we get this straight... After running the expensive/premium ammo for 700 rounds, with MANY problems, that is considered "Sig has successfully worked out all of the bugs"??? lol
Justin
rageofangels
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Is the trigger still long and mushy?
rellascout
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The mosquito has the worst Sig trigger ever!
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Well, it and the factory P6.
The Mosquito's trigger really isnt like any of the the SIG triggers I've ever shot. Even the shape of it is different. Once you get used to it though, its not bad, and the gun still shoots well, and although not perfect in this respect, it still works well as a cheaper to shoot substitute for the other models.
The Mosquito's trigger really isnt like any of the the SIG triggers I've ever shot. Even the shape of it is different. Once you get used to it though, its not bad, and the gun still shoots well, and although not perfect in this respect, it still works well as a cheaper to shoot substitute for the other models.
i just bought the sw 22a and man i tell you this thing is damn accurate out of the box. i've shot over 600 rounds with misc ammo without cleaning and no issues at all so far. i don't like how it looks but that is not what i bought it for. the only thing i dislike is the tin can material magazines. they feel cheap but feed like a champ. the gun is truely a winner in my books for the $$.
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Just bought one. Going in with my eyes open.
It is a pink one, and daughter (13) is a sucker for pink. For me it can be an understudy for civillian P225 .
Stripped it, cleaned and lubed. Was going to have her fire off a mag to function test before work tonite, but thunderstorm rolled in.
Bought it for above reasonns. If looking for a stand alone .22, there are other choices. Rugvers are ubiquitous , but I have a fondnness for three digit S&W's. Slimmer, better balance , excellent sights, more accurate than most stock Rugers. But a pain to disasemble.
It is a pink one, and daughter (13) is a sucker for pink. For me it can be an understudy for civillian P225 .
Stripped it, cleaned and lubed. Was going to have her fire off a mag to function test before work tonite, but thunderstorm rolled in.
Bought it for above reasonns. If looking for a stand alone .22, there are other choices. Rugvers are ubiquitous , but I have a fondnness for three digit S&W's. Slimmer, better balance , excellent sights, more accurate than most stock Rugers. But a pain to disasemble.
i own one of each and they are Fine guns.
the p22 took about 1500 rounds ran through it before it was a smooth gun, it did not work with cheep ammo or in the cold when i first got it but after about1500 rounds it became a very well functioning and accurate gun. if it dose not work when you pull if out of the box shoot the first mag fast and that will worm it up and get it going.
the Sig is one of my favorites and has all ways been a reliable and dependable gun straight out of the box, the mag are $$ and are not sold every where. i have one that has a metal mag but the new ones have polymer mags and they say that fix the problem,but i have NEVER ever had a problem with mine.
as for Ruger MKIII i have the ruger MKIII 22/45 and it is a pain in the neck to put back together (not that bad) but i have over 40 guns and do not need to read instructions for any of them but the MKIII, i have needed to read them every time and still it takes many tries. them manual said there is one step that if it is not done right you will destroy the gun and render it useless.(i don't like the sound of that.) the sig nor walther said that.
the p22 took about 1500 rounds ran through it before it was a smooth gun, it did not work with cheep ammo or in the cold when i first got it but after about1500 rounds it became a very well functioning and accurate gun. if it dose not work when you pull if out of the box shoot the first mag fast and that will worm it up and get it going.
the Sig is one of my favorites and has all ways been a reliable and dependable gun straight out of the box, the mag are $$ and are not sold every where. i have one that has a metal mag but the new ones have polymer mags and they say that fix the problem,but i have NEVER ever had a problem with mine.
as for Ruger MKIII i have the ruger MKIII 22/45 and it is a pain in the neck to put back together (not that bad) but i have over 40 guns and do not need to read instructions for any of them but the MKIII, i have needed to read them every time and still it takes many tries. them manual said there is one step that if it is not done right you will destroy the gun and render it useless.(i don't like the sound of that.) the sig nor walther said that.
most good guns that are made to last a life time (10s or hundreds of thousands of rounds) they need a few hundred or few thousand worm up rounds. if they are not tight out of the box they will be loss and sloppy after 5,000 or 10,000 rounds. so if you want some thing to shoot 100 round from before you put it in the closet you get a loose gun, if you want something that is good for thousands and thousands rounds you get a tight gun and break it in just like a pair of shoes.
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I had the same dilemma between these two 22 pistols. My father in law got the Mosquito, but after some research I decided on the P22. Yesterday we went to the range together and the Sig jammed every 2 to 8 rounds. :banghead: I fired 300 rounds in my P22 and only jammed 3 times with 36 Grain Federal ammo. Cheap Walmart Remington Tunderbolt works like a charm with absolutely no jams. I heard the trick is to use 40 grain only. So far that's been true for me with the P22.
While I know Sigs work best with CCI Mini Mags, why get a pistol that is so restrictive? That ammo is more expensive and pretty hard to get these days. Don't get me wrong, the Sig feels better in my hands and fires better when it doesn't jam, but what's the point if you're constantly clearing the gun?
I'd definitely go with the P22 if you are deciding between the two. Fun little gun, plus all you need is a barrel extender if you ever want to add a suppressor. With the Sig you'd have to buy a threaded version.
While I know Sigs work best with CCI Mini Mags, why get a pistol that is so restrictive? That ammo is more expensive and pretty hard to get these days. Don't get me wrong, the Sig feels better in my hands and fires better when it doesn't jam, but what's the point if you're constantly clearing the gun?
I'd definitely go with the P22 if you are deciding between the two. Fun little gun, plus all you need is a barrel extender if you ever want to add a suppressor. With the Sig you'd have to buy a threaded version.
vaupet
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Had the same dillema,
as for the walter, I have XXXL hands and just could get 1.5 fingers on the grip.
The sig gives the seize, weight and feel of a sig 9mm, including the right controls (decocker and all) so is nice to train with. Mine fires well with cci and rem golden bullet, it even works fine with rem yellow jack hollow points.
You should really try it yourself, they are very different in feel
As for the people who state that it's not the best sig, what do you expect for 40% of the price?
greetz
Peter
as for the walter, I have XXXL hands and just could get 1.5 fingers on the grip.
The sig gives the seize, weight and feel of a sig 9mm, including the right controls (decocker and all) so is nice to train with. Mine fires well with cci and rem golden bullet, it even works fine with rem yellow jack hollow points.
You should really try it yourself, they are very different in feel
As for the people who state that it's not the best sig, what do you expect for 40% of the price?
greetz
Peter
Roccobro
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Glad this was revived so I didn't have to do it.
I finally got the pink Mosquito. Good and bad.
Feels great in the hand and the "F" serial numbered guns are the latest generation with minimal issues. Taking it apart, found it all smooth and slide greased from the factory- no obvious burrs and ready to rock! Started with cheap Federal, I had the first round FT chamber round #2. Manually cycled the slide and got #2 in and fired. Slide now felt smoother to cycle. Not a single issue in the next 50 rounds!
Day 2- same ammo, now jams round #2 into the magazine lips nose up. Every magazine full had the same issue. FTE, Stovepipes, and closing on empty chamber were also present in each magazine full of ammo. :bummed: Only difference was outside temp was 55deg vs. 70deg. Hmmm.....
Mini-mags did work better than the fed bulk, but there was not a difference in felt recoil. At 5x the price, I'm trying to avoid the CCI's at all costs. Never needed them for my P22 to work. Sure hope I can train my Mosquito to eat right...
Justin
I finally got the pink Mosquito. Good and bad.
Feels great in the hand and the "F" serial numbered guns are the latest generation with minimal issues. Taking it apart, found it all smooth and slide greased from the factory- no obvious burrs and ready to rock! Started with cheap Federal, I had the first round FT chamber round #2. Manually cycled the slide and got #2 in and fired. Slide now felt smoother to cycle. Not a single issue in the next 50 rounds!
Day 2- same ammo, now jams round #2 into the magazine lips nose up. Every magazine full had the same issue. FTE, Stovepipes, and closing on empty chamber were also present in each magazine full of ammo. :bummed: Only difference was outside temp was 55deg vs. 70deg. Hmmm.....
Mini-mags did work better than the fed bulk, but there was not a difference in felt recoil. At 5x the price, I'm trying to avoid the CCI's at all costs. Never needed them for my P22 to work. Sure hope I can train my Mosquito to eat right...
Justin
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walther p-22 vsig mosquito v ruger mk 3
first off i am a 22 fanatic , i own all 3 guns and i have found that most problems with 22's is lack of care after the buy lets face it guys most 22's are ammo finiky my walther p-22 has shot nothing but cci stingers since i bought it i tried them / the stinger in my sig and it hated them , i got mis fires but it loves the cci mini mags and since i started putting them in it i've had no malfunctions at all , now the ruger i have is the 2245 model it shoots any thing and every thing loads easier , and is a tac driver right out of the box , it'll cycle the bulk plinky rounds all day , and shoot the nmore expensive hypervelocity rounds too , sure the sig likes the expensive rounds ,, but you kno w what it shoots every time there4s a certain amount of tuning u can do with the sig for instance it like to be clean and oiled regurlary .. i'm sure i'm not telling u any thing u don't know ,, and theres 2 springs for recoil included
if i remember right i used the white one , maybe i'm just lucky but my walther has been flawless but it likes stingers which cost even more ,, of the 3 the ruger is the most versatal i rarly miss with the sig and really its my fav . and the walther is very accurate also the stingers are fast in velocity . one other nice thing about the walther is they profide grip inserts to fit your hand so take what i have saidfor what its worth and go from theret
Bill
first off i am a 22 fanatic , i own all 3 guns and i have found that most problems with 22's is lack of care after the buy lets face it guys most 22's are ammo finiky my walther p-22 has shot nothing but cci stingers since i bought it i tried them / the stinger in my sig and it hated them , i got mis fires but it loves the cci mini mags and since i started putting them in it i've had no malfunctions at all , now the ruger i have is the 2245 model it shoots any thing and every thing loads easier , and is a tac driver right out of the box , it'll cycle the bulk plinky rounds all day , and shoot the nmore expensive hypervelocity rounds too , sure the sig likes the expensive rounds ,, but you kno w what it shoots every time there4s a certain amount of tuning u can do with the sig for instance it like to be clean and oiled regurlary .. i'm sure i'm not telling u any thing u don't know ,, and theres 2 springs for recoil included
if i remember right i used the white one , maybe i'm just lucky but my walther has been flawless but it likes stingers which cost even more ,, of the 3 the ruger is the most versatal i rarly miss with the sig and really its my fav . and the walther is very accurate also the stingers are fast in velocity . one other nice thing about the walther is they profide grip inserts to fit your hand so take what i have saidfor what its worth and go from theret
Bill
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The thread that never dies!!!
Wow, 4 year old post going strong....
That being said, I really want a fun 22 to just plink with. I've got my Ruger Mk II Target for "serious" 22 work. May have to cruise the local gun shop for a P22 or Mosquito since I can't seem to find a decent 22 4" barrel revolver for under $300 locally.
Wow, 4 year old post going strong....
That being said, I really want a fun 22 to just plink with. I've got my Ruger Mk II Target for "serious" 22 work. May have to cruise the local gun shop for a P22 or Mosquito since I can't seem to find a decent 22 4" barrel revolver for under $300 locally.
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