pauli
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everything i've read about the mosquito seems to indicate that it makes the p22 seem like quality construction. is it true? time will tell.
SIG Mosquito - what a POS!!!
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Kamicosmos
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Isn't zinc a brittle metal? If so, seems a bit contradictory to use it in a firearm, steel inserts or no...
I love zinc guns. Some people call it pot metal but it is soooo much better then steel. I wish all guns were made out of zinc. I love the rough pitted look to the castings, it looks tough and rugged. I also like the fact that they are often heavier and clunkier then all steel guns. I like a big heavy blocky guns like a Hi-Point if I can get it.
Steel is so yesterday. Mark my words, soon everyone will own zinc hammers and zinc knives. They will break all the time but at least they will be cheap.
Steel is so yesterday. Mark my words, soon everyone will own zinc hammers and zinc knives. They will break all the time but at least they will be cheap.
Lee Woiteshek
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Played with the Sig at my shop couple of weeks ago. Terrible trigger. Probably (estimated) 14 lbs. DA. SA was around 8 or so. After I had played with the trigger I was told by the owner not to dry fire it, as it doesn't have a firing pin stop. Bought the Ruger MK III Hunter sitting next to it. Its trigger was around 3 lbs. A Sig should better than this. A lot better.
BryanP
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Dang. I was hoping this would be a good gun. Oh well. My Ruger 22/45 will continue to serve my needs. I may eventually get a .22 conversion for my FEG Hi Power as well.
If SIG were to market a .22 conversion that would fit my P220 I'd be all over it.
If SIG were to market a .22 conversion that would fit my P220 I'd be all over it.
Selfdfenz
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I read an arti in one of the gun rags recently on the SIG Mosquito. It was not too reassuring but it got me to reading about the P22. That platform seems to have issues too. I'd been thinking about both as "possibles".
Based on the info I have and this thread I can't see why shoppers in the Mosquito $-range wouldn't get a CZ Kadet. jmho
Hmmmm... there's a show this weekend. Better throw a pair of jeans in the washer...
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Based on the info I have and this thread I can't see why shoppers in the Mosquito $-range wouldn't get a CZ Kadet. jmho
Hmmmm... there's a show this weekend. Better throw a pair of jeans in the washer...
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ARperson
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All Personal opinion here, but I'd stick with a Ruger over the Buckmark. I bought a Buckmark after my CCW instructor tried to get me a Ruger. The Buckmark shot great for about 1500 rounds then simply fell apart. The trigger does not reset after each shot unless you pull the slide back and release it, ejecting a full round. Perhaps I got a lemon, but it really turned my off to Browning. I've yet to have a Ruger that hasn't worked. My next .22 is Mark III. Still inexpensive, AND they work.
Just one persons opinion and worth only that.
Just one persons opinion and worth only that.
JMag
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Hmm, the replacement Sig whipping boy for the GSR????
Jeff Timm
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Note the old Baretta M70S is selling for the price of a new Glock or more if you can find the earlier Jaguar Model with the interchangeable barrels.
I don't know why Baretta ever discontinued the pistol.
Geoff
Who missed buying one and I have never forgiven myself.
I don't know why Baretta ever discontinued the pistol.
Geoff
Who missed buying one and I have never forgiven myself.
My thoughts exactly. People complain about wanting quality firearms and such but when they're made available, everyone complains about the price. Cant have you cake and eat it too. Quality costs $. That's why a Hk costs more than a Raven. You get what you pay for. That's why the trailsides aren't priced up with real Hammerli pistol are. Quality costs, people!
Selfdfenz
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I've owned probably too many Mark IIs over the years.
Never paid over $225 for any of them. They were all dependable and for me indestructable, and a tad boring & homely looking. In more than one case I sold them all for more than I had in them (point on retained value). I still have a 22/45 with a red dot riding it that cost about as much as the pistol.
Now comes the matter of a $375 to $425-ish SIG that appeares to be a lot less than one may have hoped for. And it's not even steel.
I agree somewhat that quality "can" cost extra sometimes but if someone can stand boring and Ruger-style ugly, the cost of quality is pretty low.
For all the noise and fuss folks make over some of the Euro-super guns it looks like the engineers at Sig need to buy a Ruger or a Buchmark and see how a 22 is supposed to function, what it should be made out of and what it should cost.
If this thing was supposed to be a "training tool" Sig should have followed CZ'z line of thought and produced a 22 slide/barrel combo like the Kadet for their full sized units. This monstrosity is undersized thus one must buy the whole unit as slides will not interchange.
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Never paid over $225 for any of them. They were all dependable and for me indestructable, and a tad boring & homely looking. In more than one case I sold them all for more than I had in them (point on retained value). I still have a 22/45 with a red dot riding it that cost about as much as the pistol.
Now comes the matter of a $375 to $425-ish SIG that appeares to be a lot less than one may have hoped for. And it's not even steel.
I agree somewhat that quality "can" cost extra sometimes but if someone can stand boring and Ruger-style ugly, the cost of quality is pretty low.
For all the noise and fuss folks make over some of the Euro-super guns it looks like the engineers at Sig need to buy a Ruger or a Buchmark and see how a 22 is supposed to function, what it should be made out of and what it should cost.
If this thing was supposed to be a "training tool" Sig should have followed CZ'z line of thought and produced a 22 slide/barrel combo like the Kadet for their full sized units. This monstrosity is undersized thus one must buy the whole unit as slides will not interchange.
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larry starling
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Good post Albanian! My local P.O.S pawn shop has a ton of cheap pot metal Highpoints available! so if you ever run out PM me and I can give you there niumber!!
Sorry to hear that the Sig .22 has turned out to be a P.O.S! Oh well! can't win all the time!
Sorry to hear that the Sig .22 has turned out to be a P.O.S! Oh well! can't win all the time!
Walt Sherrill
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Sig should've just developed a conversion kit for one of their most popular models. I'll guarantee you that a lot of SIG owners would buy a .22 top end for their guns. That would make the Mosquito obsolete -- if it isn't already there.
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Went to the range today and had a blast with my bottom-feeding model Neo. I had been using a red dot on it, but today I went with the regular sights for the first time. I sighted it in and it was great. I ended the session of 250 rounds with great groups and three jams with some CCI standard velocity ammo. It ate everything else. Maxi Mags, Mini Mags, el chepo Remington, others... Oh, the guy next to me had a Mosquito and he had rather large groups and he wasn't at all happy about the number of jams he was having.
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coylh
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varoadking
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SiG has put out a couple of real clunkers lately - first the GSR and now the Mosquito. Pretty sad that they seem to be relying only upon their reputation rather than concentrating on quality. Their face man Erhardt is all show and no go - be better if he'd not show at all.
But, the consumer is to blame as well - falling for this crap. When the GSR was introduced, I was among those to post a desenting thought on the GSR love-fest threads. Matt Mclaren, or whatever his name is, got dumped pretty soon after SiG realized they had an albatros on their hands. GSR groupies have long disappeared and the GSR is what it was always destined to be - an answer to a question that was never asked...
I own 5 Sig's, and 4 of them work perfectly, the P230 in .32AP being the only somewhat problematic piece.
Sig is capable of much better than this...
But, the consumer is to blame as well - falling for this crap. When the GSR was introduced, I was among those to post a desenting thought on the GSR love-fest threads. Matt Mclaren, or whatever his name is, got dumped pretty soon after SiG realized they had an albatros on their hands. GSR groupies have long disappeared and the GSR is what it was always destined to be - an answer to a question that was never asked...
I own 5 Sig's, and 4 of them work perfectly, the P230 in .32AP being the only somewhat problematic piece.
Sig is capable of much better than this...
Walt Sherrill
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I've got a GSR and its an outstanding gun. Easily as good as some of the Wilson guns I've seen. Accurate and reliable. One of the 1911 experts (1911Tuner) here on THR detail stripped it at his house, and evaluated the gun. He didn't shoot it, but looked at how it was made, and put together. Had nice things to say about it -- which can be found in the Gunsmithing area.
Mine is, surprisingly, one of the early serial number models. Several of my friends have GSRs, too, with no problems. They're also happy.
SIG Forum messages show that some of the early GSRs had problems, but as best I can tell, all of those problems have been worked out, with SIG stepping up and doing what was needed. Mine, which I bought from a THR member, had very low mileage (almost unshot) and has been trouble-free.
I'm not the biggest SIG fan (even though I've had several), but I like some of their gun. Except for a P-210-6 (which I sold a while back), and some Langdon-tuned 228s, this may be the best SIG I've ever handled or shot.
Mine is, surprisingly, one of the early serial number models. Several of my friends have GSRs, too, with no problems. They're also happy.
SIG Forum messages show that some of the early GSRs had problems, but as best I can tell, all of those problems have been worked out, with SIG stepping up and doing what was needed. Mine, which I bought from a THR member, had very low mileage (almost unshot) and has been trouble-free.
I'm not the biggest SIG fan (even though I've had several), but I like some of their gun. Except for a P-210-6 (which I sold a while back), and some Langdon-tuned 228s, this may be the best SIG I've ever handled or shot.
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boofus
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I had been hoping the Mosquito would be on par with the outstanding quality of Sig's classic line. I'm in the market for a .22LR for cheap plinking and was considering the Mosquito, but now I'm pretty sure I want something else.
Is the Beretta 87T any good? Or should I just try to find a used Ruger Single Six?
Jeff Timm
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In the original post, " the slide could fly from the frame when you are firing - constructional failure!"
I looked at the above referenced review on Sigforum and studied the pictures. I don't see how the slide could depart the frame rearward without the slide breaking in half, unlikely at .22 LR presures, which could happen with an M1911A1, but I doubt it.
Geoff Timm
Who is curious.
I looked at the above referenced review on Sigforum and studied the pictures. I don't see how the slide could depart the frame rearward without the slide breaking in half, unlikely at .22 LR presures, which could happen with an M1911A1, but I doubt it.
Geoff Timm
Who is curious.
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, " the slide could fly from the frame when you are firing - constructional failure!"
I looked at the above referenced review on Sigforum and studied the pictures. I don't see how the slide could depart the frame rearward "
Will fly UP&FORWARD.
, " the slide could fly from the frame when you are firing - constructional failure!"
I looked at the above referenced review on Sigforum and studied the pictures. I don't see how the slide could depart the frame rearward "
Will fly UP&FORWARD.
Cosmoline
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SIG IS USING ZINC?! What the devil are they smoking?! One bad pistol will do millions of dollars worth of damage to their otherwise excellent name. Do they not understand this? I smell the hand of slick MBA's here. They'll ruin the company before they're done.
The target groups the fellow got in the "pro" Mosquito post on Sigforum were horrible. I've gotten better groups from beat up pawn shop Rugers. And that's part of the problem. If Sig wants a piece of the US .22 semi pistol market, they're going to have to offer something other than what's already avaiable. With the Sig brand, I would expect to pay more than Ruger but get a top-of-the-line tackdriver. I would not expect to pay the same as a Ruger and get a zinc lead sprayer.
What the devil are they smoking?! One bad pistol will do millions of dollars worth of damage to their otherwise excellent name. Do they not understand this? I smell the hand of slick MBA's here. They'll ruin the company before they're done.The target groups the fellow got in the "pro" Mosquito post on Sigforum were horrible. I've gotten better groups from beat up pawn shop Rugers. And that's part of the problem. If Sig wants a piece of the US .22 semi pistol market, they're going to have to offer something other than what's already avaiable. With the Sig brand, I would expect to pay more than Ruger but get a top-of-the-line tackdriver. I would not expect to pay the same as a Ruger and get a zinc lead sprayer.
horge
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Jeff Timm:
It's common to blowback construction at least, where field stripping means working the takedown lever, pulling the slide is back all the way, lifting the rear of the slide off the rails, and then allowing the slide to advance forward again, off the barrel and frame.
If the takedown lever is accidentally activated, the slide goes ALL the way back under recoil. Worse, muzzle flip means that you might as well be lifting the slide off the rails: the frame rotates so that the rear of the rails point down, while momentum of the slide tends to have it pointing 'up' relative to the frame.
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It's common to blowback construction at least, where field stripping means working the takedown lever, pulling the slide is back all the way, lifting the rear of the slide off the rails, and then allowing the slide to advance forward again, off the barrel and frame.
If the takedown lever is accidentally activated, the slide goes ALL the way back under recoil. Worse, muzzle flip means that you might as well be lifting the slide off the rails: the frame rotates so that the rear of the rails point down, while momentum of the slide tends to have it pointing 'up' relative to the frame.
albanian,
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Rhine
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About a month ago I had a serious problem with my P22. The slide cracked about 1/2 inch from the front. It went completley around the slide. So bad you could see day light thru it. I was told by S&W that the life span of this pistol was only 10,000 rounds. Mine had 10,944 rounds when it broke.
When I told a friend of mine from Germany, he told me of the new Sig Mosquitos. He sugested that I e-mail Sig-sauer and find out what the life span was of there new pistol. I did and received there reply. There new sig is warranted for only 10,000 rounds. There test pistol has fired 20,000 rounds with out a problem, but the bottom line is the warranty.
When the P22 comes back I'm selling it and look for a reliable 22. It won't be a Sig Mosquito.
When I told a friend of mine from Germany, he told me of the new Sig Mosquitos. He sugested that I e-mail Sig-sauer and find out what the life span was of there new pistol. I did and received there reply. There new sig is warranted for only 10,000 rounds. There test pistol has fired 20,000 rounds with out a problem, but the bottom line is the warranty.
When the P22 comes back I'm selling it and look for a reliable 22. It won't be a Sig Mosquito.
Walt Sherrill
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Them saying "10,000 rounds" is a nice yardstick, but I doubt they could refuse a warranty claim because someone had fired MORE than that many rounds. How would the know it was 10K rounds or 5K rounds with hotter, ammo, etc.?
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