Sig P220 vs. 1911

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Quote: I haven't encountered any. Maybe its just how you hold the gun.
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None here with either my P229 or P220, but what may be happening is; that the P220's having a much stiffer recoil spring, it may be making it hard to depress the slide release lever, so by really having to push on it much harder than, like my P229 9mms release, you're getting a bit of a pinch-like-hit from the slide as it snaps forward.

I treated mine, still do, with EEZOX when it is home on stand-by in and for my office gun. But when I get rdy to take my P220 to the range, I give the lever, via a oil tipped Q-tip, a nice light coating where it moves over the frame along with the area of the slide that it locks into, and it has become much free-er, in pressure-applied release efforts for me, and no more slight discomforts anymore for me when activating it..


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personally I have yet to find a handgun that fits my hand better than a proper 1911 style pistol. My SA 1911 had an extractor issue when I got it (used) SA fixed it and 1000 rds later it has not even hiccuped on anything I have feed it ball or hollow point. But as with anything goes with what feels better to you. I would not carry my 1911 if I could carry my Colt trooper 6" but I am not enough man to conceal a 6" colt trooper
 
I'm a lefty. The controls, other than the mag release are not lefty-friendly. However, neither was my 1911; I had to buy the ambi-safety... but at least I could modify it to correct that "oversight".
It has long blown my mind that ANY company would still make a firearm without fully-ambi controls. (Liability? We ain't worried about no stinking liability).
 
I practice "wrong handed" with my SIG's and have never found them to be difficult to shoot or operate using my left hand. You can decock or drop the slide using your trigger finger with little shift of your hand. You can also reach over and drop the slide with your thumb in a pinch, or skip it all together and just slingshot it.

At least with the SIG, theres no safety to worry about.
 
For me the slightly more involved field stripping is a small downside, if any.

The 1911 disassembly isn't bad at all. The reassembly is a bit problematic to some people. I remember a few young Army officers who admitted they weren't very good at putting their Colts back together, despite having been trained in it.

When I first got mine, I practiced in front of the TV a couple of nights, and it became pretty easy putting it back together. It takes a few times to get quick and precise with moving the slide to the right place for the next step in takedown/reassembly. Trickiest thing is getting the slide stop back in without scratching the frame -- it really snaps right into place with very little pressure once you've mastered the feel. I'm sure most 1911 owners have a little scratch where the end of the slide stop swings up, so don't feel bad if you have one there.

Several companies make 1911s. If you break a part or wear it out, you can order a replacement from many sources and have it in your hands quickly. Holsters and other accessories are plentiful. They are more concealable than some think as they are slim, especially with slimline grips. They shoot great and will last longer than most owners of them.

Sigs -- I've shot 'em, like 'em OK but don't own one, don't get what the extra high pricetag is all about. But if you've spent a lot on one, of course you're going to convince yourself it's worth it.
 
I'm not super crazy about either. I have one SIG and one 1911, but my feeling towards each of them is similar. Their manual of arms is different than my other guns. On the SIG, the mag release is in a different place, and on the 1911, well the entire manual of arms is pretty different.

But of course, my view of handguns is CCW tools.
 
....don't get what the extra high pricetag is all about. But if you've spent a lot on one, of course you're going to convince yourself it's worth it.
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Extra high compared to what? Over time, I paid for my SIG's about what I paid for my Colts. From what I see, that hasnt changed much.

One thing in common with Colt and SIG for me has been, they have both worked out of the box, although the Colts tend to still need "something" to suit me. The SIG''s on the other hand, have just needed ammo.

Now if you want to talk about extra high price tags, we can compare my buddys $2500 Nighthawks to my standard P series SIG's that now a days run around $850. I can have three for one there, and like my Colts, the $2500 1911's still need that "something" the SIG's dont.

As far as convincing yourself if its worth it, I hope you dont ever run across any of those 1911 clones I sold off. They will drive you to buy SIG. ;)
 
I would love to have a P220 SAO. It should combine the "cocked and locked" single-action trigger and thumb safety (which, unlike the 1911, is ambidextrous as standard and allows the slide to be jacked) of the 1911 with SIG reliability. The 1911 is more slender and flat than the SIG, however.
 
32winspl said:
I'm a lefty. The controls, other than the mag release are not lefty-friendly. However, neither was my 1911; I had to buy the ambi-safety... but at least I could modify it to correct that "oversight".
It has long blown my mind that ANY company would still make a firearm without fully-ambi controls. (Liability? We ain't worried about no stinking liability).
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I'd have to disagree on that part. The slide stop is a bit far back and requires more canting out of the master hold, but lots of people tend to override the stop using the slingshot method, which is good enuff for me.
 
SIG P220 is totally left handed friendly. Use your index finger to release the magazine and operate the decocking lever.
 
BlindJustice said:
- which begs the question for the
O.P. to specify since 1911s come in so many flavors but there is only
one SIg P220 - which generic type of 1911 do we compare it to?
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Actually there are about 32 variations listed on the Sig site of the P220 besides the size difference of the Standard/Carry/Compact:)

I have a Sig P220 Carry and a Taurus PT1911 ALR. Both have been flawless.
I like them both...if I had to choose...I'd probably go with the Sig, not that there is anything wrong with the 1911, I've owned it longer and really don't care for fooling with safeties etc if I was in a defensive situation.
 
I went to the range with a friend of mine that had a SIG 220, and I brought the Kimber Pro Carry I had. We switched off and I didn't shoot his 220 near as accurate as I was shooting my 1911. He really liked my pistol and a couple of weeks later traded the SIG for a Wilson CQB Elite 1911. He hasn't said anything about missing the SIG. Oh yeah he has, he doesn't . ;)

btw, if easy field stripping is of importance to you, get a Glock. ;)
 
I've owned it longer and really don't care for fooling with safeties etc if I was in a defensive situation.
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Fooling with safeties? Is this seriously an issue with your 1911 for you?
 
Pick what you shoot best, as long as long as it works. A good 1911 will shoot as good as anything else, as will a P220.

The rub here is, your more likely to find a SIG P220 that works out of the box than you are a 1911 clone. Its the main reason I no longer bother with the them, or even the Colts. Just got tired of all the fiddling, and aggravation of having to deal with a new gun that needed work, and often, right out of the box. So far, I have yet to do anything but put ammo in the mags with my SIG's and shoot them.

The best solution here is actually quite simple, buy one of each. The SIG will be the easy one, the 1911, well, thats best left to a Colt, or one of the more expensive models thats not one of the run of the "puppy mill clones".


Fooling with safeties? Is this seriously an issue with your 1911 for you?
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They can be at times, depending on what you have and if its working properly or not. I've had thumb safeties that were so stiff, it took a great deal of effort to get them off. They just didnt come off with a nice easy sweep. I've had some that were just the opposite, and would not stay on. I've had Springields with oversize safeties that were razor sharp and cut your thumb with every shot. I've also had the plunger tubes work loose and fall off a couple. I've had grip safeties that would not release the trigger unless held "just so". I've also had a couple of NIB 1911's that the grip safeties didnt work at all.

Thats a lot of "fooling" I could have done without. Once you get used to not dealing with one, you quickly dont miss them. Even so, after all those years of carrying a Commander, I still draw everything just like it were a 1911, and my thumb is still there for the sweep.

btw, if easy field stripping is of importance to you, get a Glock.
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Actually, the SIG's are easier and safer for most people than the Glocks.
 
I could really say. I have both. I learned long ago on a 1911. So, field strip for either is about the same time for me; ditto cleaning (which may be more about laying out cleaning tools and practice than any innate superiority).
Have carried both, concealed and holstered. I've a hair more accessories for 1911 than for SIG, that seems to be the only reason it gets a "nod" more than any other.
 
Massad Ayoob wrote an article regarding such a choice. He said the 1911 is one of the greatest combat pistols in the world. However, police use handguns much more for threat managaement and not combat shooting and a DA auto was better for that.

I agree with him I'd take the SIG.
 
HexHead said:
Fooling with safeties? Is this seriously an issue with your 1911 for you?
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Yes it could be. Don't know for sure never had a high stress defensive situation. With probably 25 pistols in the household and only 2 of them having safeties, then yes I'm much more used to just pulling the trigger. Which is why my 1911 is for fun and will not be used for defense, at least not on purpose.. The Sig 220 stays on the nightstand for whatever comes up, not the 1911. Besides my Sig has night sights:p

Now a 1911 guy that shoots them exclusively or even mostly wouldn't have that issue with a safety. Kind of like I drive 3 different vehicles, they all have a different layout for wipers, lights, cruise control etc...drives me nuts:neener:

All my carry guns are DA- PPS or P11 or PF9 or P3AT or S&W 38 snubbie..
 
I like them both. For me, I just love Sigs. I suggest you shoot both and see if one speaks to you more. Both are great. Sigs are easy to break down but the 1911 is easy as well and I certainly wouldn't let that be the deciding factor for me.
 
I just love it when they get in force on force and flubb either the grip or sweeping the thumb safety. It can happen at any time to anyone...even those who train frequently. Just think: FoF is almost NO pressure and people still manage to mess it up.

Our ancestors knew what they were doing when they invented double action revolvers.
 
ok ok, i found a solution, get a Sig GSR....now you have a Sig 1911 best of both worlds. i love mine.
 
When you say '1911' you could be talking about one of several brands and widely varied feature packages, and a gun that could be anywhere from nearly 100 years old to brand spanking new. If you're buying new and you know what's available in the various 1911 instances, you should be able to select one that is going to be fine right out of the box. MORE than fine.

Also, I don't get the fuss over safeties.

Are some of us imagining ourselves in movie-like scenarios where our lightening-quick draw (of a beloved Sig, of course) allows us to dispatch three bad guys before they can even draw, but ohhhhhh, that wouldn't be possible with one of those horrid 1911 thumb safeties.........

Come on.........the vast vast majority of us will be shooting at paper, water jugs and the occasional piece of fruit until the end of our days. There aren't enough bad guys to fulfill the Dirty Harry fantasies of those who collect dozens of guns and keep 'em all immaculately cleaned and oiled.

If we DO face a bad guy and it turns into an actual gunfight and we lose because we didn't snap down that doggone safety quickly enough...oh well...I guess we should've practiced more...OR, maybe having a Sig instead would not have mattered one bit...
 
GunBugBit's opinion of most shooters is pretty low. Based upon what I see a the range, perhaps he's right. Unprepared is unprepared and there is a lot to learn. Most people tend to resist the idea of self-defense training since they think the state mandated requirements for a concealed weapon/handgun permit is sufficient. Hopefully, GunBugBit's peek into the future is correct for these folks.

He certainly thinks he knows what's going on in the minds of other people. His skills in telepathy are impressive.
 
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