Sig P239 (9mm) vs. S&W 3913 - Part 1

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Recently picked up an S&W 3913 and got to thinking it would make for an interesting comparison with the Sig P239 I own. Unfortunately I haven't fired the 3913 yet so this is just a phyisical comparison (part 2 will involve a shooting comparison).

These two pistols are similar in many ways (which inspired my interest in a comparison). Both are traditional DA/SA compact pistols with single shot 8 rounds magazines and both are intended for convenient, concealed carry. Both my pistols carry houge rubber grips - the P239 with the finger grooves and the Smith without. The Smith is equipped with Trijicon 3-dot night sights (similar aftermarket sights are made for the Sig - this is not a point of comparison).

The P239 uses a frame mounted decocking lever and has no external safety while the Smith uses a decocking safety lever (similar to the Beretta) and has a magazine safety. The Sig uses a hammer with a spur for ease of cocking for a single action first shot whereas the Smith hammer is cut flush with the rear of the frame. Both pistols can be cocked for the first shot but with the Sig this is much more easily accomplished. The Smith hammer is snag free.

Both pistols use dovetailed front and rear sights for ease of adjustment and replacement. I personally prefer the stock "dot-the-I" sights of the Sig in standard sights but personally feel that a defense gun should have night sights. The sights of both pistols appear to be almost exactly the same height above the hand. The frame and the slide of the 1313 are a bit thinner than the Sig but the safety brings the overall width of the Smith to more than the Sig. The P239 lists a 3.6 inch barrel while the Smith catalogs 3.5". Both pistols utilize a stainless steel slide on an aluminum frame with the 239 showing a weight of 25.2 ounces without the magazine (an extra 2.3 ounces for the mag with a total of 27.5 ounces). The 2913 shows between 24 and 24.8 ounces (depending on model) but does not indicate magazine status. My perception is that the Smith is lighter even with the magazine. (It should be remembered that the Sig is heavier partially to enable the Sig to be chambered in .40 and .357sig - The Smith doesn't catalog this model in those calibers).

The trigger reach on the 3913 appears slightly longer than the Sig but with the thinner frame I can get more finger on the Smith trigger. The 3913 (mine, anyway) has a lighter and smoother double action trigger than my P239 with the Sig having a smoother and very slightly lighter single action trigger. The trigger reset on the Smith is better by a mile. The controls on the 3913 seem slightly more friendly to the left handed shooter than the Sig. The Sig is a little easier to field strip.

Size wise, the pistols are almost identical. The slide on the Smith is slightly shorter than the Sig but the grip tang brings the overall lenght of the Smith to slightly greater than that of the Sig. The backstrap of the Smith is slightly (an 1/8th of an inch at most) greater than that of the Sig and the front strap of the Smith grip is either longer or shorter than the Sig - depending on whether the flat or hooked magazine base is used. The overall height of both pistols are very similar. Sight radius on the Smith is slightly greater due to the rear-sight designs used.

Overall the Smith 3913 fits MY hand a little better and seems a little lighter. Both these pistols are so similar (and admittedly, the Sig shoots so good) that I don't see myself getting rid of either one of these pistols. Can't wait for the live fire comparison!

http://www.sigarms.com/products/classicpersonalsize-models.asp?product_id=43

http://www.hogueinc.com/getgrip/merchant.ihtml?pid=4215&lastcatid=83&step=4

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This forum has a decidedly anti-smith auto flavor.
Smith revolvers dominate, but the autos just aren't talked about much here.
I had a poll here not long ago where I was trying to decide between 4 pistols, one being a CS9, the others were a SIG 239, a H&K P7, and a CZ RAMI 2075.
The SIG 239 won. The P7 was second.
And write-in votes for Kahr MK9 and the like came in third.
The other two poll options were ignored.
Sad, isn't it.
The CS9/3913 are good guns, I know they are.
 
I will be interested in your live fire comparison. If we proles are ever allowed to carry in this state these are the two pistols I am going to choose between. Please let us know how it goes.
 
Both are fine quality guns. If you prefer your's with a safety, then the 3913 is a better choice. If you want just a decocker, then the 239 would be up your alley.
... My perception is that the Smith is lighter even with the magazine. (It should be remembered that the Sig is heavier partially to enable the Sig to be chambered in .40 and .357sig - The Smith doesn't catalog this model in those calibers) ...
The 4040PD is chambered in .40S&W and it is ALMOST identical to the 3913 but it IS slightly thicker and heavier than the 3913. You may want to buy a 4040PD and do another comparison to the 239 in .40S&W :D (just trying to give you another excuse to buy another gun or two :) ).

caz223, I would rate S&W auto's right up there with SIGs and Beretta's as being the best around. I actually prefer S&W over SIGs because S&W offer a manual safety while SIGs only have a decocker and I prefer the safety option. Give me a S&W auto and/or a Beretta auto and I'm a happy camper. :)
 
This is an interesting comparison. I have buddy that just went through a ccw class and the instructor recommended the 3913 so he asked me about it. I told him it's the S&W p239, I showed him my p239 and he seemed to like it. A few days later he went and got a price on the 3913 it was right at $600 new :what: This seemed obsurd to me b/c you can pick up a new p239 for less than $500. After seeing that price he is looking for something else. He is wanting to sell his Sigma and use the money for something to carry, so he is looking at guns close to what he can get out of his Sigma.
 
The new Tacticals are around 600 (which I, also, have trouble swallowing). I picked up a NIB 3913 without the rail or "tactical" markings for a little under five hundred. The 908 is reportedly less than that (unless you go with the 908s - stainless). Used pistols are abundant and in the $300 range. Same holds for the 6906 (basically a double stack 3913). The only thing some folks don't like about the 908 series are the existance of a few plastic parts (guide rod, sights, & magazine release button). These parts can be replaced but it's not necessary. Here are a few links for your friend...

http://www.swfirearms.vista.com/store/index.php3?cat=293572&sw_activeTab=1

http://www.swfirearms.vista.com/store/index.php3?cat=293573&sw_activeTab=1

Coffee
 
caz223 is essentially right about the 908. The 908 is basically the 3913 with a few changes made to simplify production (and thus lower cost). The overall feel is basically the same and most of the parts interchange. The slide is a little more "square" and the fit is a little looser but I haven't seen a bad write-up on one yet. Some even prefer the 908 to the 3913 tactical due to the lack of accessory rail and the slimmer profile (safety is not ambidexterious). The grip and controls are basically identical. The comparison between the P239 and the 3913 would be almost identical to a comparison between the P239 and the 908. Do a search on this forum or on http://www.smith-wessonforum.com and I think you'll be impressed with the 908.

Coffee
 
I was under the impression that in the tactical series, the frame rails were lengthened and beefed up over the 908 and even the regular 3913 series to provide better slide to frame fit and, theoretically, more strength and longevity. I am not sure if this feature is now extended to the whole line or if it still only holds for the tactical models with the accessory rail. I don't particularly like the rail but could live with it if the overall structure of the pistol is superior. Can anyone shed light on this?
 
Yes Gary, you are indeed correct. Also the TSW line is suppose to cushion [sp] recoil better so that follow-up shots are quicker and easier.

I don't mind the rail on the full-size guns but feel that it just doesn't make any sense to put them on compact models which are obviously intended to be carried concealed.
 
Alan, thanks for the reply. I agree with you that the rails seem unnecessary on a small pistol like the 39 series. It would be nice if they offered them both ways, with and without, but I guess that complicates their production.
 
My 908S carry package (holster included from factory as a package deal) was $450 out the door. Zero malfunctions of any kind. Zip, Nada, Zilch...flawless function. From a rest it is as accurate as anything I have fired (that is limited though). Unfortunately I am trying to train out of a flinch so off hand is hard for me to say at this point. The 3913 is better finished and more upscale to be sure. But the 908S makes no apologies at all. Just ordered some Hogues for it.

So as not to re-direct...think the comparison is a good one between the 3913 and the Sig to be sure.
 
This forum has a decidedly anti-smith auto flavor.
Hhhm, my perception is that there is a healthy 3913 cult around these parts.

I have one that I inherited (It look s like the LS model, but predates that nomenclature) and I think it's a great little pisol. The only thing that keeps me from carrying it much is that I loathe the Walther manual of arms. I wish it was decock only. :(
 
P239 vs S/W3914

For what it's worth. I have a Sig P239 that I purchased right after they were brought out. I also have S/W 3914 which I purchased new.. They are both 100% reliable, and I like both. But when I shot them on the range the Sig consistantly was more accurate. I'm not saying that's always the case, but my Sig is definitely the more accurate of the two. The S/W is not inaccurate, but just not AS accurate. I think some people will feel more comfortable with the different safety aspect of the S/W, but I personally prefer the Sig. Just point and shoot. The difference in accuracy is not so substantial as to rule out the S/W, but the more accurate my pistol of choice is, however marginal, the better I like it. JMHO...:)
 
For what it's worth, I have a S&W 6906 which carries 12 rounds plus 1 and a Sig P239. I much prefer the S&W because it does not feel so bulky. The sig slide is boxy and top heavy. The S&W just feels more balanced and the slide is slim and rounded which I prefer. And, the trigger reset on the S&W is incredibly short which gives much faster follow up shots. It's also a good looking gun.
I'm not trying to knock the sig per se just offering my personal observations a.
They are both excellent guns.

JimL3
 
The only SW autos that I have ever been interested in were the 908/3913, the 6906, and the 1076.
I have fired the 6906 and it was a surprise to me with all of the talk I had heard about them being boat anchors and all.
The other I have never fired, but I have always thought the 908 or 908s would be a reasonable alternative to a Kahr, and the 1076 is cool just because it is a 10mm....:D :neener:

Mino
 
The 3913's overall contours make it easier to carry concealed. While the safety levers contribute to the width of the piece, in actual holstered carry they would not be a factor.
 
I like the P225 but found the P239 to feel top heavy even with a full mag.

The 3913 is a superb all-around single stack. I bought one used (1994 manufacature) in absolutely new condition for $375 - so look around. They've been in production a long time and have sold well for years.

Putting New grips on a 908 would about get you there, as well.
 
Put the Hogue Grips on the 908S tonight...and yeah...it is much closer. Makes a big difference. Quite happy.
 
Ive shot both of the little single stacks and find them both very nice guns.
They are very similar in many many ways........S&W's retail pricing is very high but that doesnt mean anything..you can find the guns for cheap.
The Sig is a clean little shooter and IMO, was made along the same lines or copied the 3913 in the original design process. Both are world class CCWs.
Shoot well.
 
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