Sig Revolution or SA Loaded???

[Blacklabman]

I have had great luck with Sig pistols(P220R, P220Carry, P226R) and like the looks of the Revolution. I have not had a chance to shoot one however.

For those who own one, I would like to hear you comments both pro and con

Or should I just buy a SA Loaded-- the Black Stainless 9154.

I will use it for carry(after I get well aquinted with it), range and IDPA

I look forward, to hearing your replies.

 

[ugaarguy]

Blacklabman,

I'll offer my opinion if I may. After doing a good bit of reading thru posts by 1911Tuner, Old Fuff, and several others who are quite knowledgeable on the 1911 I came to the conclusion that I do not want MIM or cast internal parts in a 1911 that will be a carry gun. There is nothing inherently wrong with MIM or cast internals, it's just the parts of a 1911 were designed to be forged or machined. That's why MIM can have problems in a 1911. In other guns where the design was made with MIM, or casting in mind it's not a problem because the engineering took the manufacturing method into acct. The Springfield Armory 1911s do have some MIM internals. I have a standard parkerized GI model and I think it's a fine firearm, but I relegate it to range use. The SIG Revolution 1911s do not have any MIM or cast internals, which would make me lean toward them if it were between the SA and the SIG. Another option is to send a PM to Correia; He's doing a group buy on STI 1911s and cutting THR members quite a deal. The STIs are production guns, but they're hand hand fitted in Texas. The STIs also do not contain cast or MIM internals. I settled on and have ordered an STI thru Correia. I know that's alot of opinion, but I hope it helps with your question.

 

[glocker1911]

I owned a Stainless Revolution last year until finances forced me to sell it. It was an excellant weapon. I recently was able to get a new stainless railed Revolution. It is as nice as any 1911 I've had (and I hate to admit, I've had a lot, but don't get my wife started). The lack of MIM was a big factor for me, and when you look at all of the features for the price, it is actually a "bargain", all things considered.

I've noticed that a lot of the bad stories circulating about Sig GSRs are on the "first gen" caspian models, which did have some known issues. As far as "bad" stories on the newer Revolutions, I've noticed most (not saying all) people who claim bad experiences just say they are bad guns. No one is being specific as to mags used, ammo used, or any other info to make it clear if it is an equipment problem or a gun problem, so I haven't put much weight with these stories. Based on my personal experience with tow examples (using Wilson mags and ball, Hydra Shok, and Golden Sabre ammo,BTW), I can and do highly reccomend them. Not by any means saying Springers are "bad", they are very nice guns too. But feature for feature, in a similar price range, and with no MIM, Sig Revolution is a hard 1911 to beat. YMMV.

 

[teombe]

I would somewhat echo statements by ugaarguy.

I own a (3rd gen) Revolution, and it's a very solid gun. I like the fact that it doesn't have any MIM internals, and there are only a couple of cast parts (the grip safety being one of them). It's a really good gun out of the box, and nothing needs replaced.

The loaded, on the other hand, I'd probably use as a "shoot it until I want to customize it" gun. It's got a few MIM internals, which would get tossed in any trigger job I'd have done to it. The Novak cut on the slide is a good thing, and makes for easy sight replacement if desired.

The only other thing I'd consider is holster availability.

Otherwise, choose as you please.

 

[Blacklabman]

Thank-you for your replies.

To be honest, I was wanting(wishing) for the Revolution to get the positive feedback.
The only negative comments I have heard about the Revolution, is that it does not look like a true 1911-- ie-- the slide. There is no doubt that the GSR is a SIG.
Opinions do differ, but I like the look.

 

[teombe]

Looks-wise, I think the GSR is pretty cool. Who wouldn't like this???

 

[10-Ring]

I haven't had the chance to shoot one nor do I know any one that has, but the SIGs seem a little more refined than the SA. I might go w/ the SIG just because they intrigue me more at this point than the SA's do...

 

[Falconeer]

I've never shot the Springer, but I've fallen in love with my GSR Revolution Stainless. It's my first 1911 but the trigger has ruined me for DA/SA. I've run WWB FMJ, Remington bulk pack FMJ, as well as reloaded FMJ and LSWC with no problems. It's a keeper.

You might also PM Kimbernut here on THR. He's shot my GSR, his Kimber, as well as a 1911 he put together himself. He could give you a good compare/contrast.

 

[NineseveN]

Blacklabman,

I'll offer my opinion if I may. After doing a good bit of reading thru posts by 1911Tuner, Old Fuff, and several others who are quite knowledgeable on the 1911 I came to the conclusion that I do not want MIM or cast internal parts in a 1911 that will be a carry gun. There is nothing inherently wrong with MIM or cast internals, it's just the parts of a 1911 were designed to be forged or machined. That's why MIM can have problems in a 1911. In other guns where the design was made with MIM, or casting in mind it's not a problem because the engineering took the manufacturing method into acct. The Springfield Armory 1911s do have some MIM internals. I have a standard parkerized GI model and I think it's a fine firearm, but I relegate it to range use. The SIG Revolution 1911s do not have any MIM or cast internals, which would make me lean toward them if it were between the SA and the SIG. Another option is to send a PM to Correia; He's doing a group buy on STI 1911s and cutting THR members quite a deal. The STIs are production guns, but they're hand hand fitted in Texas. The STIs also do not contain cast or MIM internals. I settled on and have ordered an STI thru Correia. I know that's alot of opinion, but I hope it helps with your question.

STI's do indeed have MIM parts, at least the Lawman's do.

As far as Sig VS Springfield. Sigs are nice, but had many a teething problem in the early on (mostly to do with errors from an outsourced vendor -Caspian), but current reports are that they work well. If you check the 1911 forums around the internet, Springers are running solid and pleasing most of their customers. The debate of MIM VS no MIM has kept on, but my last interpretation of it is that MIM, when done right is perfectly fine. However, anyone who is really serious about their 1911 usually has it tuned and/or customized at some point, SA has an awesome custom shop and you can have the MIM replaced if you really want to. The benefit of going with the SA shop is that your handgun is still completely under the lifetime warranty (even the custom work) whereas if you went with someone not affiliated with the company (i.e. going to Wilson Combat with your Sig GSR) you just might void your warranty.

If you're looking for an external extractor gun, look at the Smith and Wesson 1911's as well. Lifetime Warranty with their own custom shop (like Springfield) and their external extractors seem to work almost flawlessly. If were going to buy a Sig, personally, it would be anything but the GSR. Of course, I don't like leaving mine stock and I like having a manufacturer's custom shop do the work and keep everything under warranty. Just my 2 shillings.

 

[ctt]

The gun is only part of the system. You'll have an easier and better time outfitting a SA loaded than the Sig, more available holsters, better gunsmith support, etc.

 

[DFW1911]

I've not had any experience with the Sig Revolution yet (but will thanks to this thread ), but have several Springfields and they've all been great.

The customer service and custom shop at SA have been exceptional. The custom shop managed to turn one of my "parts guns" into a very nice shooter.

I think this is one of those good problems to have, since I think you can't go wrong with which one you choose. Plus, you'll probably end up buying the other one in the future...it's just how things work w/ us 1911 folks .

Enjoy your purchase and have fun.

Take care,
DFW1911

 

[Falconeer]

You may want to look at it this way:

If you're looking to purchase a 1911 style pistol and essentially leave it as is, the GSR is a good bet. The internals are match grade, it's already been dehorned, the Revolutions have Novak night sights, etc. Sig has a custom shop, but it's not what they're known for. The current production is a 'shoot it out of the box' style pistol.

If you're looking to buy a pistol and 'tweak', the SA is a better bet. More people out there making stuff for it, been on the markget longer, larger and more extensive custom shop, etc.

Personally, my budget doesn't allow me to spend $700-$1000 on a pistol then another $500+ for 'custom shop' work. I don't have the interest that makes the expenditure worth it.

IMHO, YMMV.

 

[NineseveN]

Excellent points Falconeer, that's the wya I look at it. I'll buy a GSR once I get the tweak-bug out of my system.

 

[cbsbyte]

The Sig 1911s must be good guns, since the Boston police SWAT traded in their Glocks for new GSRs. The GSR beat out Kimber, and home state rival Smith & Wesson. Though the news Kinda pisses me off since the GSR have not been approved for sale in Mass to civilians, but the Boston police can bypass state gun regulations without a bother.

 

[prolanman]

It seems to be hit or miss on the Sig Revolutions. You may want to check on Sigforum for some posts regarding the Revolution. I have a couple of P229 that haven't had any problems, but decided on the S&W Scadium Commander as my next 1911.

I do have a Springfield Loaded in Stainless and I like it. I haven't had any problems with it and it's a good value for the money.

 

[Skywarp]

Im saving my money for a new Revolution. Sig has bought my loyalty through the durability of my Sigs. They just dont break. I never clean them anymore they seem to shoot just as good dirty as they do clean so aside from keeping them safe to shoot. I dont see a point in cleaning them

 

[Blacklabman]

Lots of great information.
I have had a soft place for Sig for many years. Their semi-auto pistols have (for me) been trouble free and given outstanding service.
I do not like to tinker with my firearms. That includes my rifles(except for mounting scopes) and shotguns as well. My Sigs and Glocks have always been left stock except for night sights, and they have been 100% reliable.
I had the gunshop I frequent, order a Sig Revolution in Stainless Steel this morning. I was told it would be here on Tuesday.
I am very excited.
Thanks again for your help, and great information.

 

[NineseveN]

Based on your inclination not to tinker or customize, I think you made a very sound decision. You're gonna have to update this thread with a range report and pics though...see what you started?