Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Well the Sig mags are of MUCH higher quality - why *wouldn't* they be more expensive?
Sig Sauer sticks it to the commerical buyer...
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Well the Sig mags are of MUCH higher quality - why *wouldn't* they be more expensive?
rellascout
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Because they do not have to be....
Mecgar is the OEM for a lot of their mags and they sell $30 or under most of the time. Same mag better price.
Sig is gauging the customer.
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JohnBT
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These discussions always remind of an Arnold Jewell magazine interview I read years ago. He was asked why his rifle triggers cost so much.
"They cost what they cost."
I just love a practical person. Well, that, and when I posted a question on benchrestcentral about a couple of his triggers that I owned, he e-mailed me the answer.
John
"They cost what they cost."
I just love a practical person. Well, that, and when I posted a question on benchrestcentral about a couple of his triggers that I owned, he e-mailed me the answer.
John
HOWARD J
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I just paid $41.90 del. for a P-238 SS mag.
The gun only came with one...........................
The gun only came with one...........................
earlthegoat2
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This year old thread was started because Sig announced to the US market they would only be shipping pistols for a short time with one magazine. Since their pistols (and every other manufacturers pistols) were selling so quickly they screwed up and did not compensate on magazine production. Instead of lowering the amount of pistols shipped they lowered the amount of magazines shipped. This is a business no brainer in the gun industry since the majority of profit is made on the actual pistol itself and not so much on magazines hence the reason why extra factory mags are so expensive. They dont really want to sell them. They want them in reserve at their warehouse so they can quickly ship some out to a government military or police force if they request them in enough bulk that will justify a sale. Yes another case of H und K syndrome.
The burner is they did not lower their price to compensate and they did not offer a coupon or rebate or anything. They just simply gave less to the consumer for the same (or higher) price. Just like Apple Jacks all of the sudden coming in 22oz boxes instead of 24oz.
Odd thing is that the Sigs were still selling just fine. A testament to the uninformed consumer or more probably a case of the "I have to have this pistol because the cops do" mentality.
The burner is they did not lower their price to compensate and they did not offer a coupon or rebate or anything. They just simply gave less to the consumer for the same (or higher) price. Just like Apple Jacks all of the sudden coming in 22oz boxes instead of 24oz.
Odd thing is that the Sigs were still selling just fine. A testament to the uninformed consumer or more probably a case of the "I have to have this pistol because the cops do" mentality.
rellascout
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You clearly do not understand who makes Sigs mags. Sig does not make them. They outsource them. Many of the P series mags are made by Mecgar.
Sig sells the P226 mag for $50+ Mecgar sells the same mag for $28 to $20. It is a direct apples to apples comparison.
To use your example I can buy an MB Oil filter kit from the dealer for $40 or I can go online and buy a Mahle or Bosch which are OEM parts for MB, like the mecgar is for Sig, and pay $20.
It has nothing to do with cross brands or nameplates. It is not about MB vs Honda it is about MB markings vs the straight OEM product labeled by the actual manufacture.
MattTheHat
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Maybe I'm a lunatic, but I've never made a pistol purchase decision based on the number of magazines I'd get.
And I don't personally see a problem with Sig selling their magazines for more than you can purchase them for elsewhere--same manufacturer or not. Are they somehow trying to demand the user buy theirs? (As in, use our mags or void your warranty.) If not, I just don't see the problem. It's like anything else, shop around.
I saw "genuine" BHP magazines on the shelf a few months back for something crazy, like $79.95. So I didn't buy one. I went home and ordered a "genuine" BHP magazine from Brownell's for less than half that.
If there were no "outrageous" prices, there would be no deals.
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And I don't personally see a problem with Sig selling their magazines for more than you can purchase them for elsewhere--same manufacturer or not. Are they somehow trying to demand the user buy theirs? (As in, use our mags or void your warranty.) If not, I just don't see the problem. It's like anything else, shop around.
I saw "genuine" BHP magazines on the shelf a few months back for something crazy, like $79.95. So I didn't buy one. I went home and ordered a "genuine" BHP magazine from Brownell's for less than half that.
If there were no "outrageous" prices, there would be no deals.
-Matt
SharpsDressedMan
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Gosh. If I was president of SIG, I'd announce that all guns would be shipped with one mag, but that the second mag would be shipped FREE at a later date, when they became available, and that a $20 coupon would accompany it for any other SIG product as an apology for having to wait for the mag.
I never understood people whining and moaning because mags for a certain gun cost 20, 30, or even 40 bucks. BOO HOO. Try buying mags for a Bersa 9mm. They were over 50 bucks when I had one. You lucky if you can find mags for 50 bucks for my H&K P7. If you MUST have cheap mags then buy a different gun. You act like it says in the Constitution that you have a right to cheap mags and Sig is somehow violating your rights. I understand why if company A is selling something at one price you have to whine that company B has to do the same. Buy it from company A and quit whining.
Jon in wv,
I do factor in cost of magazines into a purchase. For precisely the same reason you brought up. First new pistol I ever purchased was also a Bersa 9mm.
Lesson learned for me was that the supporting equipment costs have to be considered in your purchase decision to determine "actual" value.
I do factor in cost of magazines into a purchase. For precisely the same reason you brought up. First new pistol I ever purchased was also a Bersa 9mm.
Lesson learned for me was that the supporting equipment costs have to be considered in your purchase decision to determine "actual" value.
exactly, it is just one factor in the price of owning and operating the weapon. I don't know why some people would buy the weapon then whine about what the support equipment costs. Thats like buying a truck and then whining about its gas mileage. That is something you look at before you buy it.
AKElroy
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Finally. This consumer activism stuff is ruining my calm. They raised their price $40. Big deal. Guns are in demand, high demand = higher prices. Every home owner in this forum will be asking every penny for their home that the market will allow when they get ready to sell, but somehow that reasoning does not apply to our hobby. Wrong.
If you want the quality of a Sig, you get to pay a little more for the privelige. Accept it, or buy something else. When companies become stronger, our access to products benefits. I want a strong Sig, S&W, Glock, SA, etc..
Profit = longevity in the marketplace. When the hell did profit become a negative in a free, capitalist country? They don't make these types of decisions in a vaccum. If they were not certain it would not have a detrimental effect on sales, they would not do it.
earlthegoat2
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Better stop talking all of this common sense stuff. We wont need new threads otherwise.
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did they lower the price by $35 then? no. of course not.
JohnBT
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Jeez, they started shipping with 2 mags again last June. Of 2009.
From a letter to dealers:
June 3, 2009
To Our Valued SIGnificant Dealers:
In an effort to continue an uninterrupted supply of handguns for your shelves, SIG SAUER, Inc. has instituted a program to ship our Classic pistols with one magazine. Your response has been overwhelmingly positive. Most dealers have thanked us for enabling them to better satisfy their customer's needs in a more timely manner, SIG SAUER, Inc. is pleased to help deliver profitability to your stores whenever possible.
The market demand has remained high; however, SIG SAUER, Inc. has found ways to increase magazine production. We are pleased to announce that Classic guns manufactured after June 3, 2009 will ship with two magazines once again. Inventory manufactured prior to June 3, 2009 (date is on the box label) will continue to ship with one magazine. Dealers existing inventories will not be adjusted.
Thank you for your support during these unusual and challenging times. We look forward to serving you throughout the remainder of 2009 and wish you continued success.
From a letter to dealers:
June 3, 2009
To Our Valued SIGnificant Dealers:
In an effort to continue an uninterrupted supply of handguns for your shelves, SIG SAUER, Inc. has instituted a program to ship our Classic pistols with one magazine. Your response has been overwhelmingly positive. Most dealers have thanked us for enabling them to better satisfy their customer's needs in a more timely manner, SIG SAUER, Inc. is pleased to help deliver profitability to your stores whenever possible.
The market demand has remained high; however, SIG SAUER, Inc. has found ways to increase magazine production. We are pleased to announce that Classic guns manufactured after June 3, 2009 will ship with two magazines once again. Inventory manufactured prior to June 3, 2009 (date is on the box label) will continue to ship with one magazine. Dealers existing inventories will not be adjusted.
Thank you for your support during these unusual and challenging times. We look forward to serving you throughout the remainder of 2009 and wish you continued success.
Salty1
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For any of you Sig P238 owners, get the colt mustang mags from CDNN, they work fine and they even have an extended mag with a place for your small finger and an additional round. People who buy Sig's know that they get 1 mag, if they don't like it they can be like everybody else and buy a Glock and be part of the "me too" crowd.........
One thing you have to accept is that when Macgar makes the mags for Sig they put a pretty Sig logo on the side of the mags. Sig will charge more for the mags and generally when you sell you weapon with factory mags its better than selling it with aftermarket mags even if they are the same thing. Its the nature of the beast. Also, I went on Mecgars website and they didn't have mags for my P220 listed. Mecgars mags for other Sigs ran about $10 bucks cheaper than the Sig mags. Personally, I don't find that so out of line. I wish ALL mags were cheaper but then I paid almost $800 bucks for the P220. I wish that would have been cheaper. 45 acp ammo is more expensive than 9mm. I wish 45 ammo was cheaper too.
Heck I think Remington charging $36 for a box of 20 Golden Sabers is a much more heinous crime. Does it REALLY cost that much to make??? I'm a lot more peeved by that then paying the extra ten bucks for a Sig logo on a mag.
Heck I think Remington charging $36 for a box of 20 Golden Sabers is a much more heinous crime. Does it REALLY cost that much to make??? I'm a lot more peeved by that then paying the extra ten bucks for a Sig logo on a mag.
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