Sig....time for a full makeover.

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Ok, we can all agree (i assume) that sig Saur is a top notch manufacturer and that sig firearms are quality pieces that we would all trust out lives too.

However, what is the deal with Sig's ergonomics? I for one do not like having my sight picture an inch and a half (exxageration) above the web of my strong hand. I would have to say, that of all of the firearms I have shot, point shooting with a sig is relatively hard....it takes me more time to line up a shot with a Sig handgun than just about any other....(sig 380's excluded).

Also, Sig's "high" bore axis makes for a very "snappy" recoil.....whereas Glocks, Steyrs, and other similar handgun's low axis makes for soft recoil, and quicker second shot target acquisition.

I am a big fan of Sig in general....I think the 380 model is the best 380 on the market...as far as reliability, ergonomics and fit and finich are concerned....but their full size, and compact models (226, 228) are just a chore to shoot...IMHO...

I wont even mention the price....good god...you would think they are made out of gold.

Dont get me wrong...if someone "gifted" me a Sig, I would love it, and keep it....but I think they are about due for a full makeover...Lower the bore axis and the site picture...and drop the price by about 100 dollars....

Ok...maybe it is just the 5 glasses of wine talking....but "RANT" is officially over.:p
 
I carry a Sig sometimes, and I agree, they don't feel "good" in the hand. I love the feel of a Colt and carry it sometimes too. Two things that bother me about the fine pistol are, as you mentioned the high axis and the heavy trigger on the first pull and then followed up by a lighter trigger.
I know, I know, it is a safety measure and it has no safety to disengage. It is a very reliable gun.
 
I'm finding there are 2 kinds of SIG fans...those that love'em & those that think they're ok. No one truly HATES them. Me, because I'm more use to my USP's & Berettas don't like the ergo's, but every once in a while, find time to shoot & enjoy my buddy's 226.
 
I respect Sigs a lot but I too feel

similar to what you've shared. My HK feels a lot more comfortable as do my 1911's. Sig makes a fine series of pistols but they don't work for me. And that's too bad because I've come mighty close at times to pick two or three of 'em up.
 
Some people like Chevys and some like Fords. What doesn't feel good to you feels great to others. Sig sells lots of guns to very satisfied government agencies and they ain't about to change a good thing.
 
I wish Sig would change the position of the slide release!!!! I have big hands and like to grip the weapon high,sometimes the slide does not lock back because my thumb hits the release......anyone else have this problem ??

Other than that no real problems with mine.I would prefer Ashley Express sights and maybe front cocking serrations.
 
I had a couple of SIGS a few years ago, a P226 TT and a Sport model in .357 SIG. They just didn't feel right and I sold them. From then on I claimed that I didn't like SIGS.

Out of the blue last month I purchased a P220 9mm and a P220 .38 Super. What a difference!! Seems as if the SIG single stack guns fit my hand like a glove. While I didn't keep the .38 super I did buy a second P220 9mm and a P225. I find these guns extremely accurate and very mild shooters. I don't find them snappy at all and stay on target better with them than other 9mms I've had. I certainly find them less snappy than the 9mm Glocks I have owned (26, 19, 19C, 17CC, 34). Maybe that's because of how they fit my hand (thinner grips, etc), I don't know. I wanted DA/SA guns with a decocking lever ONLY (no manual safety) & once again SIG fit the bill. Since I shoot predominantly left handed, the position of the decocking lever on the SIGS works great for me since I can easily decock with my index finger. Some of the guns that have the decocking lever further back or on the slide versus the frame make decocking difficult when shooting left handed (not withstanding an ambi decocking lever/safety). Sure there's nothing like the feel of my Colts and Sphinx handguns but these single stack SIGS are with me to stay. I do not need pre-ban (hi capacity) mags since they are not my carry/self defense guns.

I also purchased a SIG P210-6. I particularily like a euro release on the guns that I do not necessarily need to perform "speed" reloads on (although I am getting quite good with the euro release). Both the P210 and the P220 9mm are euro releases. I tried to find a NIB P225 with the euro release but ended up purchasing one with the american mag release. I shoot both left and right handed and there are some "non-extended" mag releases that protrude too far and rubs/irratates my finger (depending of course on which side the mag release is on and which hand I am shooting with). The P225 mag release seems more flush and does not bother me which is great (I DO like the HK USP mag release system).

Bottom line is that the overall design of the single stack SIGS are perfect for me. I like the classic lines (squared off trigger guard, old style grips, NO rails, etc) & find myself disliking most of the new guns coming out on the market. Because of the design changes and the fear that all those old classic lines were going to go away I purchased two P220 9mm and am going to purchase a second P225. That'll be it for my 9mm purchases. After going through Glocks, HKs, Berettas, CZs and a few others the only 9mms I now own are SIG and Sphinx.

Just my personal preference, not saying there's anything wrong with any of the others.
 
I don't think SIG really needs to change anything. Their guns, like most other manufacturer's weapons, do not fit everybody. While I love their stuff, and will recommend it to just about everyone with a pulse, I know that some people will not like it for one reason or another. Not everyone grips a handgun the same way. Everyone has a different handsize.

If you don't like a SIG because of its grip, you may want to consider a different manufacturer, since modern SIGs basically have two grip styles - single stack and double stack.

MJ

[P.S. You'd better hope that Ala Dan does not find this thread... he's one of the biggest SIG fans around. :)]
 
I've got to completely disagree with this one. In fact, I have no idea what planet your'e from :D

SIG sights don't seem higher to me than any other pistol's, except the Steyr M which is super-low. But a 1911, BHP, CZ, Beretta, etc etc feel about the same.

And as to recoil, the lowest-recoiling 9mm I've ever shot by a wide margin is the P226. Shot side-by-side with a Beretta 92 Brigadier and CZ 85 Combat, the SIG easily had the least muzzle flip, no contest, which is rather amazing as the CZ does have a lower bore axis and is quite a bit heavier.
 
I love handgun makers that totally ignore those of us that are "Southpaws"..:banghead: :rolleyes:

Look! We've come out with this......

brandnewsupercoolforrighthandedshootersonlyhandgun !:rolleyes:
 
Hand fit is something that is entirely subjective and what works for me probably won't work exactly for the next guy.

All of my SIGs fit my hand and point perfectly for me. The trigger is smooth and the transition isn't too troublesome for me. The bore axis is higher than, say, my Steyrs, but they are also heavier which make for good recoil managment.

I am carrying one of my SIGs right now. 'nuf said.
 
Schuey2002,

Personally, I find Sig's to be excellent for those of us in the "sinistrous sixth." No manual safety to thumb, magazine release easily operable by the trigger finger. Shoot it dry, drop the magazine, pull back on the slide with the right hand -- sha-zam, you're back in business.

Since Ala Dan hasn't tossed his opinion in yet, let me just day: Sig P220 -- mmm... :)
 
If it was up to me......

......I'd make the following changes to the Sig Sauer classic line.


1. All-steel frame (ditch the alloy except as an option on carry models). This would improve the balance and offer more recoil control (especially on the full sized models).

2. Lower the bore axis (they do tend to give more muzzle rise/snap than other pistols, at least for me)

3. Lower the price by $50-100 (you can't convince me Sigs REALLY are that costly to make--especially when most of them have alloy frames). In order to accomplish this, assemble them in the US like the P239 is currently done.

I really do like the Sigs I own (my P239 in particular is a keeper--its never malfunctioned on me to date), but I sort of dislike paying top dollar for an alloy framed pistol that lacks the balance and recoil control that I'm use to. I think the grip ergonomics are excellent on most Sigs (they fit my hand a glove--only the CZ 75 feels better in my hand), so that is one area I wouldn't want changed on a Sig.
 
:rolleyes:

Have you actually compared a SIG Sauer P220 to a 1911? I have. The bore centerline is the same on both guns. Stop talking out of your rear facing orifice, you're annoying those of us that actually know a bit about the world around us.:rolleyes:
 
The bore-axis criticism is a bit over-rated....seems most SIGs are similar to most other pistols, the 1911 for one as blades67 mentioned.

As a lefty, I find SIGs much easier to manipulate than most pistols except perhaps the HK USP with ambi safety. I was sucked into this myth before I started handling SIGs.

A lot of used SIGs can be had for the same price as other used pistols. I picked up a 220 for $430. A 226 for $400 with night sites. 228 NIB cost $525.....same as most Glocks in my neighborhood. All-steel 220ST for $699.....cheaper than a lot of whiz-bang 1911s. Again opinions opinions opinions.....
 
The Bass Ackwards Controls

Is that the slide release? No thats the decocker!

Is that a safety? No that's the slide release!

Why are they backwards? I don't know! :confused:

It's just silly.

-bevr
 
^I actually like the slide controls on Sigs. I can reach the slide release easily (without shifting my grip) since its closer. On some other style pistols, I have a hard time reaching the slide release--I have to shift grip on my Ruger P97 for example. I kind of wish all makers used the Sig slide release and decocker layout.
 
Greeting's All,

Sorry to have been "out-of-pocket" for so long; but
when duty calls, a man has got to do what he knows
is best.

Folk's, just about everyone who frequent's this forum
knows that I'm probably SIG-Sauer's "Classic"
P-series #1 lover! And guess what? I wouldn't
change a thing. With the P220A being the best
DA/SA self-loader on the market; its no wonder why SIG'S
are so popular. As a matter of fact, they are quite easy
for most people to master. It just takes patience,
and lots of practice!

I just wish everyone could enjoy the sensation of owning
a very fine SIG-Sauer "Classic" P-series pistol.
Even when I'm not shooting one, I pop open the hard
plastic case and just admire the beauty of these very
fine weapon's!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
Having recently shot a Sig P220, and being an HK man, I was pleasantly suprised. This bore axis thing everyone thinks is such a big deal didn't bother me at all, gun had very little muzzle flip with a proper stance, being just about the same as my USP9F.

The one thing that bugged me was the location of the slide release. It is very easy for me to ride the lever. Training and practice, I suppose. It did make it very easy to hit the lever when I wanted to, however. I found the trigger to be superior to my USP, although my group sizes tended to be more sensitive to my trigger finger placement. If I were in the market for a DA .45, I would get either a USP45F or the P220, depending on whichever I thought had a better trigger at the time.
 
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