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[AK103K]

P220s can be concealed, but they are on the big side. Even the P220 Carry is stretching the limits.

I beg to differ. The P220 is a Colt Commander sized pistol and not at all that big or difficult to conceal. Its also not all that much bigger than a P239.

Actually, most all of the SIG's, except for the P230/232's, are really not very different size wise. Just at most a half inch here and there.

 

[Lonestar49]

CCW is yours for the taking

Quote: Are full size 220s too big for concealed carry ?
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In my book, I CCW my Beretta Px4 40, and I was going to go with the P220 Carry, but when I took my Beretta down to the gun store with me to compare it to the P220R standard, I was VERY pleased, in both, that it is just a hair longer __ like that and they both have narrow tapered/sloped slides, 1.4 vs the much wider Carry models width of 1.5.

They are like twins, and as I said, I CCW the Px4 with no problems all day, in pure comfort and they are both lightweight guns as well, which makes it work as a total CCW comfy package, that doesn't paint, in either front IWB cross-fire draw w/FBI cant, or IWB 4 o:clock w/FBI cant, not to leave out, inside any front pocket.

But, make sure you are CCW legal, before you carry, because if you get caught carrying without a CCW licence, say good-bye to your gun, and your ability to purchase any more.


Enjoy both the new SIG and its CCW ability


LS

 

[merkaba]

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yes, I have my CCW.

I also noticed the length differences in a 220 standard and a 220 carry were not very much. the standard is a 1/2" longer.

I just haven't found the holster I want in stock anywhere. (Bianchi Shadow 2) so I haven't tried carrying it yet.

you guys think Nylon holsters are harder on the finish of a gun than Leather ?

 

[1BLINDREF]

I guess it depends on how - IWB, OWB, or Smart Carry, and the holster you choose. If you are planning on IWB or a Smart Carry, a P239 is much more comfortable to carry for extended periods of time. Its grip and slide is shorter enough to make it easier to conceal then a full size P220. The P220 Carry has the same size grip size as the full size P220, but the slide and barrel is shorter. I'm not saying that its not possible to conceal a P220, I'm saying that a P239 is much easier and more comfortable to conceal IWB in the warm/hot weather months.
If you are carrying OWB, a P220 full size or Carry is no problem. You just have to make sure you have a large enough shirt to cover the gun.

 

[AK103K]

merkaba,

All holsters will wear the finish. A lot depends on how often you carry, and reholster, and in what conditions. I've found that kydex works the best for hard use in all conditions.


1BLINDREF,

I think most of it is what your willing to do to carry whatever it is. I've carried full size pistols on a daily basis, most of my adult life, and 99.9% of that was IWB. If you have a good belt and holster, you've got most of it licked. Once your used to it, the only time you notice the gun, is when its not there. Dressing around it and your attitude is really all thats left.

Personally, I find OWB's to be one of the least effective ways to carry. The holster tends to poke out at the bottom when you lift your arm, or is more easily seen if your shirt or coat blow open unexpectedly.

IWB's hide the gun up to the top of the belt. With a dark tee shirt, my SIG's disappear against it, even without a cover garment.

As I was saying before, the difference between the SIG's is really inSIGnificant..sorry, couldnt help it. My P220's, P226''s or P229's, are not all that much bigger than my P239, so I usually choose them over it. Mostly its a P229 in 357SIG these days, although I did just order a P220 Carry last night. .

 

[1BLINDREF]

AK-
I'll have to try a good IWB holster for my P220 Carry SAS. The nice thing about the P220 Carry is that a P228/P229 holster fits it very nicely.
Which IWB holster do you carry your P229 in? What part of Pa are you in?

 

[AK103K]

1BLINDREF,

I use a Blade Tech kydex IWB, and off and on over last winter, a leather Milt Sparks VMII. The VMII is a nice, comfortable holster, but it is leather and I dont think it conceals as well as the Blade Tech due to the front snap being so far forward.

I now have Blade Techs for all my SIG's, they were a carry over from my 1911's. I work outside and sweat like a pig and you know what summers are like in SE PA. Once I found out how well kydex works at keeping your gun dry, I rarely use a leather holster in the summer now. Blade Tech's IWB's are about half the cost of a Sparks VMII, and in the long run, will hold up to hard use better. I still have my first BT IWB for my old Commander, and its still as serviceable after 10 + years of hard daily use, as the day I bought it. I was going through about two good leather holsters a year before that.

Right now I'm out in Snyder Co. in central PA just west of the Susquehanna (river, not road. ) We moved out here about a year ago from not far from your area. Rush hour now is 6 pick ups and a buggy. One thing lacking up here is a good gun shop. They have nothing like most of the ones down there. I dont think they even know what a SIG is up here. I've yet to see one in any of the shops except for in the bigger cities like Willamsport or Harrisburg. Your lucky to see more than a couple of pistols at all. Most of the stuff is geared towards hunting. If all goes well, I'll be back down your way next week to pick up my 220 Carry.

Oh, as for holster compatibility with the SIG's, I find that you can use the same holster for the P220, P245, and P226. The P229's are fatter, and the others tend to be a little loose in them and the 229 doesnt want to fit in holsters made for them. You also have to watch with the P239, as most seem to make a holster for the 9mm version and another for the .40/.357SIG versions.

Mags are also some what interchangeable. The P220's mags will also work in the P245, and the P226's mags will work in the P229's. I dont have a P228, but I suppose they would work in them too. You also need to watch the P239's. The .40 mags will work in the 357SIG guns, but the 357SIG mags wont work with a .40.

 

[Lonestar49]

It Is Done

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Well my fellow Sig addicts, I have come full circle.

Today I picked up my NIB P220R 45 and I've finally realized my long journey's dream.

As you can see below, are the Guns I have bought in the order from top to bottom and, with this latest addition to my collection, I'm a happy-camper.. lol

Once I get either the Nill's wood grips for her, but they are out of stock until, IIRC, the 15th of next month, or if someone can point out a site/place that have dark-walnut with sides with grits, and hopefully taller grit height than what Sigs offer, with the grit, let me know. Otherwise, until I get "some" wood grips, and then take, and figure out our new digital camera, and take pics of the entire family for ya, you'll all have to have patience with me.

I did buy a set of custom, full Hogue wrap-around fingered grips for it, but after putting them on, dunno, was a bit thick for my liking, so I put the factory plastic grips back on and put on an extra Hogue-slip-on fingered grip, that I had a spare of, for my Beretta, that have the same Hogue grip on, and I really like how they "both" feel with these thinner grips on both guns now.

So, off to the range tomorrow, for her baptism of fire with 250 rounds.

Let me know if ya find anywhere out there that have wood grips, dark, grit on the sides, in stock, cause I'm rdy to go with purchase to complete her unique look with the Nickel finish hammer, trigger, and all levers, with a full Black Nitron finish.



LS


PS.. almost forgot to metion; it came with 3 mags, 2 that hold 8 rounds, and 1 that holds 10 rounds.

 

[Lonestar49]

Merkaba

Quote: yes, I have my CCW.

I also noticed the length differences in a 220 standard and a 220 carry were not very much. the standard is a 1/2" longer.

I just haven't found the holster I want in stock anywhere. (Bianchi Shadow 2) so I haven't tried carrying it yet.

you guys think Nylon holsters are harder on the finish of a gun than Leather ?
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Yes, it is longer than the 229 Carry, which I have in 9mm, but, the P220 is also considerably narrower, like my Beretta 40cal, and the P220R is only 1/4" longer than my Beretta 40 and the same, 1/4" taller.

So, do yourself a favor while waiting for that holster, go out and get an Uncle Mikes IWB #16 or #17 for 14 bucks. My Beretta Px4 40 and my Sig P229 Carry fit perfectly in the U_M's IWB #15 FYI. You can try all different IWB positions with it, and even put it in your front pocket (Levi's with T-shirt) but, you can take it out, fast, but sticks inside the holster like a glove. Not to mention, you can leave the holster, clipped-on without the gun in it, you'll see, and it will hardly let you know its inside your pants, with no damage to it.

You can FBI cant it as well, but you can move it quickly from say, 4 o'clock to 11 o'clock for driving, FBI cant, and have a great cross draw.

And it makes for a great house carry, and bed time holster, as it is fully enclosed at the muzzle end (no spiders.. lol ) but it will protect it from a little thump, bump, here and there.

Very universal to give you a no-break-in perfect feel, no heat, sweating from it, nor itching, and it will Never leave a mark on your new gun, as it hasn't with my Beretta, Sig Carry, and the new kid I just picked up today, my P220R

Before anyone jumps my case again, this is just for comfort, and finding his best IWB CCW for his gun, as he'll find his leather or Hard nylon holster, that will, in time, leave some marks, need some breaking-in, mabye get hot, cause sweating that can get to your gun thru wet leather or open muzzle end, etc.


Enjoy



LS

 

[SwampWolf]

Lonestar 49: You ain't "done"- you just think you are!

 

[rj112275]

My 220 Carry is my CCW. I have no problems concealing it. Currently I have a no-name holster that will go away in a month or two when my Brigade M-11 comes in. With a jacket, vest, or untucked shirt, the Carry is no problem to conceal. I placed it next to a buddy's Kimber Pro Carry TLE and it's the same size, but the Sig is noticeably thicker, not longer or taller in the grip. I'm 5'8" about 175. I don't think the 220 is too much to carry or conceal.





I'm looking for a 229 or 239 for my wife in 9mm. She claims to be 5'1" and 100lbs. I think concealing a weapon can be done with the right belt and holster.

+1 for Sig in .45 (take your choice.. they're all good!)

 

[Lonestar49]

P220R Carry OR Standard IS THE WAY

Quote: Lonestar 49: You ain't "done"- you just think you are!
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Damn you SW, you read my book!!
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And RJ, indeed, the P229R Carry 9mm is a fantastic gun, and it is my hope that once my wife gets past the gun-grey-zone of the unknown, with her/our Sig P232 SL 380, she can step up comfy-wise to the 229 Carry, as she really likes the CT laser grips on it..

That way, I can continue my joy with all of them, but especially my beloved Beretta Px4 40, as that is quite the Horse to tame, but it was worth it. And for my pride and joy for the max HD, as well as, if I'm in the mood, CCW as well with my new P220R standard, as it is really the same gun, size wise, as my sweet 40cal slim Italian Babe.

But, as you say so correctly, the P220 Carry is CCW at its best, as well.

God, I love them all so..


LS


PS.. RJ, can you list a site addy that shows that holster you're going to get?

 

[1BLINDREF]

Today I picked up my NIB P220R 45 and I've finally realized my long journey's dream.

+1

Lonestar 49: You ain't "done"- you just think you are!

My guess is that a P239 will be next

 

[Lonestar49]

I'm spoiled now

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Range Report of new P220R

What can I say, this 45 caliber, and the gun itself, is the EASIEST, most accurate gun to shoot of all I own..

It is just a BIG PUPPY DOG, as it has NO recoil and eats bull eyes at ANY distance, every-time, as fast as you want to fire off rounds.

Kinda makes the 40cal seem a bit more fun and, as of now, the chase is on to hone my 40 cal even more but, I have NO doubts, the 45 is the weapon of choice when it comes to: "most forgiving", biggest punch, with the easiest point to aim, and deliver, 9 big ones down range.

Kudos to SIG and the beauty of their GUNS


LS


PS.. New Rating system:

45cal - STUD

40cal - Stallion

9mm - Race-Horse

380 - Rider-Horse

 

[SwampWolf]

What I like about my 220 Carry over the standard 220 for use as a ccw isn't so much the slightly shorter length as it is the improved balance afforded by the lighter weight slide= the Carry doesn't feel as "top heavy" as the standard seems to.

 

[Lonestar49]

Now this is strange.. lol

Quote: What I like about my 220 Carry over the standard 220 for use as a ccw isn't so much the slightly shorter length as it is the improved balance afforded by the lighter weight slide= the Carry doesn't feel as "top heavy" as the standard seems to.
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That is exactly the opposite of what I felt, comparing the 220 Carry vs the 220 standard, was weight and balance. To me, the Carry was, or seemed, heavier, more weight in the grip, and point to-aim, whereas, the thinner, slimmer, yet slightly longer, aprox 1/2", slide of the 220 standard, and the weight and balance of point to-aim, was a big difference to me, more balanced and felt lighter.

I remember even asking the clerk, do they both have Aluminum frames?

Yes they did, but the smaller, wider, Carry felt heavier to me.

I'm sure it's in the many minor-muscle-motors that separate us all, as individuals..


LS

 

[1BLINDREF]

I'll add my .02 for what its worth

I like the feel of both of my P220s. The P220 is my favorite Sig when it comes to balance and pointability in either the full size or the Carry version.
I think my old full size is just a little bit more accurate than my P220 Carry SAS. It could have something to do with the DAK trigger. Maybe I should get a P220 Carry in the traditional DA/SA version so I compare the two.
Damn Sig addiction :banghead:

 

[SevenMichael]

Newbie

I'd love to join. I just ordered my FIRST pistol, a SIG 229 9mm with Crimson Trace. After quite a bit of research and some range time, that's what I selected and I can't wait for it to get here !

In the mean time, being new to both the SIG and pistol shooting, I'd appreciate some advice. I'd like to go ahead and order some extra magazines and I'm in a state which allows high-capacity mags.

After some research, I've concluded the best is either SIG factory mags or mecgar. I've found mags in 15, 17 and 20 round. The 20 round is advertised as "extended", so I'm assuming it doesn't fit flush with the pistol. Can anyone tell me if either or both the 15 and 17 round mags fit flush ?

Also, is there one finish on the mags that's preferable to the other ? I've seen both "blue" and "nickel" advertised, and there may be other types. Any advice on this ?

Thanks !

 

[Johnny B]

Okay, so real quick back to holsters: I just got my first Sig, a P220 Carry, and have been having a devil of a time finding a decent holster for it. I wanted IWB, preferably leather, but I did not want to break the bank. It seems to me like the full-size P220 holsters would be too long for the Carry which would make things less comfortable. Any recommendations? I'm sorry for the digression, but whatever help I can get would be greatly appreciated.

 

[AK103K]

If you get the full size 220 holster, you'll have it when you get your full size P220.

The difference in length is really not enough for it to matter comfort wise. I carry my P245 in my P220's holster with no problem or discomfort, and plan on using the same holster for my new P220 Carry. I'd just buy the holster for the full size gun with a rail and you'll be good to go for all the P220's, P226's, and P245's.

If you like leather, the Milt Sparks VMII is one of the nicer holsters. Top Gun Supply (www.topgunsupply.com) often has them in stock, and usually more than anyone else I see with them. If they are out of stock, they usually are not to long in getting them back in, just keep checking. They are great people to deal with.

 

[Pelleman]

I've got two SIG P210s on loan for inspection. One 210-5 Long Sport in 30 Luger and one of the early 47/8 9mm ones.

I think I'll buy both actually...

 

[hrgrisso]

It's Nice to Be among Friends

Hey All, been reading a lot, Blindref those grips look great and I told you it'd be worth the wait.

As for Sig Holsters I went out on a limb and tried Bear Claw Holsters; http://www.bearclawholsters.com/

I got a 'hidden asset' for my Sig Pro 2340 and I love it. I hate searching for a holster that feels right. This one feels great! It's a custom so I had to wait about a month and half but man was it worth it. Most of the time with my Uncle Mike's I've gotta sinch the old waist strap to hold it steady. With this one I can carry comfortably in ever circumstance.

I finally convinced the wife to let me get a new toy so I feel a splurge coming on. Anyway, thanks to all the Sig guys here for giving me all kinds of evil ideas!

 

[Mr. S]

SevenMichael: Mecgar makes a 15 round flush fit magazine for the 228/229.
Mecgar also makes a 17 round magazine that fits flush for the 226.
The 17 round Mecgar and 20 round sig mag both extend past the grip.
You can however purchase an X-grip adapter(grip extension) that will allow you to use the 17 round Mecgar 226 mag in the 228/229.You will have to due some grinding to make it work.

Here is a pic of what it looked like installed on my recently traded 229R.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3201682&postcount=145

 

[Lonestar49]

Why Johnny Ringo!! ..errr Johnny B

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Do yourself a favor, go out and buy an Uncle Mike's #15 IWB clip-on holster for 14 bucks, while you wait.

I carry, everyday, either my Px4 40cal, or my Sig P229 Carry 9mm, which is the same size as your P220 Carry, except your grip is longer.

No break-in, no sweating, closed muzzle end (no spiders..lol) and you can wear it in all IWB positions, and you can FBI cant it as well.

Fits even in your front pocket, or like when I drive, in the front 11 o'clock IWB with cant, that allows for a quick cross draw. I'm right handed.

Just a means to try and "see" where your Carry will fit, and it will stay tight in there like a glove, yet will draw out, faster than you can.. lol

Bonus.. you can keep the holster on, with gun out, and most likely will not really notice it there, and it won't hurt the holster, or EVER mark you gun.

Great Bed, and house carry holster too, as it will protect your new gun from any slight bumps or thumps, putting on a table, etc., as well.

Again, consider it a fit all, do all, IWB temp holster, until you find what works better.


LS

 

[loplop]

Holsters: I prefer the Milt Sparks VM2 design. For my SIGs, I have one for my P239, and it's an awesome carry combo. I have a VM2 for my P228 and a Watch Six for my P220 Carry on order right now, along with a VM2 for my HK P2000.

I have one BladeTech "UCH" IWB holster. It's for my HK P2000, and I like it OK. It certainly conceals very well... But it's just not as comfortable as my VM2's, and it shifts around a little more (has only one loop attachment instead of 2). It's my first Kydex holster. At this point I'm still giving it a try, and it's nice to have something to carry my HK in while Milt Sparks is working on my leather holster, but I'm not totally thrilled with it. Horses for courses, as the saying goes...