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the P210-based gun will shoot tighter groups at 50 meters than the P220-based gun will at 25 meters. Anyone who doubts this claim would be well advised to read up on the subject, beginning with the factory design specs, certified test targets, and 50 meter service handgun competition results.
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I guess it is a good thing my 220 and my 226ST can't read.

Plain and simple, I compare actual results at 25yards of real guns that I owned, not paper spec. guns.
 
You can try and convince the world that reading about the P210 should make one feel the need to bow to its greatness. However, I have shot 3 P210's, one of which was my own, and they are not all that spectacular. The ergos are so-so, the safety stinks, and it only has a minor edge in accuracy (if any) to much less expensive guns. Competition results don't prove a gun is superior. It proves only that the shooter was superior to the competition on that day. At 50 yards with open sights on a handgun, the limiting factor is seldom the gun.
 
A consistent history of service competition wins adds up to an officially verified record of practical performance. I fail to see how this record might be undermined by anecdotal accounts of recreational shooting at less than half their range.
 
I fail to see how this record might be undermined by anecdotal accounts of recreational shooting at less than half their range.
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I am sure you do.....

The shooter had more to do with those wins than the gun.

In competitive shooting, the top competitors will win as long as they have adequate equipment, and the average Joe will most likely not win even if he has equipment which is superior. A history of wins in service competition does not in any way shape or form, prove the superiority of the P210.
 
Unlike the practical pistol disciplines, bullseye shooting is as much a test of equipment as it is of the shooter. A history of wins in Swiss service competition proves the superiority of the P210 no less than a history of wins in Formula One proves the superiority of Ferrari.
 
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no less than a history of wins in Formula One proves the superiority of Ferrari

you were sounding so credible up to that point

so we can just ignore all those years ferrari spent in the cellar while williams and mclaren dominated F-1. the only reason ferrari came back to the top in F-1 is the arrivial of "team schmaucher"
 
Well, I guess I will chime in. My present SIG is a P229R DAK, with a short trigger. I had eagerly anticipated the DAK, as I had been carrying a Glock duty pistol, but never learned to love the trigger pull, and felt the Glock was just a bit too fat in the grip frame. The very first time I fired the P229R, it was on my agency's qual course, and I shot the SIG cold, no warm-up or familiarization shots, better than I had ever shot the qual course with the Glock in well over two years of trying. The P229 being on my employers "approved" list, I switched duty pistols right away! I had previously carried a P220 as a duty pistol from about 1990 to June 1993. The P220 had the Euro-style mag release, which sometimes caught in the fabric of the patrol car seat, letting the mag drop a short distance. It did not fall free, due to the tension against the back of the mag by the release, but it was worrisome, as it is doubtful the next round would feed. I switched back to a sixgun to resolve the issue, and ended up selling the P220. I still really liked SIGs, though, and paid attention to them as new models or features would be introduced. When the P229 came along, I really liked the feel, but did not actually get one until DAK came along. Life is good.
 
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sold my p226r in 40/357sig to get a p226 in 9mm.
this one is a lot prettier.
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Post a picture and we'll be the judge! :neener: :neener:

Rexster-
Welcome :)
The P220 had the Euro-style mag release, whcih sometimes caught in the fabric of the patrol car seat, letting the mag drop a short distance. It did not fall free, due to the tension against the back of the mag by the release, but it was worrisome, as it is doubtful the next round would feed.
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I can imagine! That would have always been in the back of my mind.
I too love the DAK trigger. I think that shooters that are used to shooting wheel guns take to the DAK trigger much faster then others. I currently have 3 DAK Sigs and enjoy shooting them most. I shoot IDPA with my P229 .40S&W DAK and I'm getting better every month.
 
1BLINDREF, thanks for the welcome! :) Indeed, a major reason I like the DAK is because it is so similar to a DA sixgun's trigger pull. I still love my Ruger revolvers!
 
Ok question about the P220 .45

I have a number of 7 round mags for my P220, but I see 8 round mags being offered online. Will these fit ok into my 220 without the magazine protruding beyond the pistol grip?

If so, I need to think about whether its worth it to upgrade my 7 round mags to the 8 rounders. I'll probably wind up buying just one or two...
 
they have two different 8 round mags for the 220.

assuming you are talking about using them in a side release as opposed to a heel release for the mags. the reliable ones have a bumper pad and protrude a bit beyond the bottom of the butt frame...the mags that fit flush are somewhat less so.
 
A consistent history of service competition wins adds up to an officially verified record of practical performance.
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Sample bias.
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Swiss service pistol shooting competition uses virtually unmodified standard issue handguns aimed at the C50 target at a distance of 50m (54.68 yards), with the 10 ring a disk of 5 centimeters, just under 2" in diameter. The milspec standard for the P210 called for a capacity to place ten shots within this 10 ring regardless of random interchange of major components between different handguns. These requirements make sample bias extremely unlikely.
 
A consistent history of service competition wins adds up to an officially verified record of practical performance.
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A consistent history of GSSF contest wins also adds up to an officially verified record of practical performance for the Glock G17. But any conclusions about the winning guns would be biased by the composition of the sample.

In your case, just what pistols do you think would typically be encountered in Swiss service pistol competitions? Might they be Swiss service pistols?
 
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I guess I can be a member of the club:

Sig P220, Sig GSR, Sig P239
Sig 556, Sig P245, Sig P229 Elite

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yongxingfreesty
TT P226 is about as purdy as it gets - Congrats on a great pick up. I'm glad you stayed with a Sig.

Samuraigg
The 8 round mags stick out of the bottom slightly. The seven rounders fit flush. Heres two pictures that I hope will help.
P220 Carry SAS with an 8 round mag
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P220 W.German with a 7 round mag
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Zen21Tao
VERY VERY NICE!! :D
Looks like you've got all the bases covered.

Royalsalute
Glock does make good bottle opener.
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LOL
 
Greetings all, only saw a few mentions of Gander Mtn. on this thread, but as I'm sure some of you know there are a group of Sigs at your local GM... they look like former police carry guns, has anyone who has experience with the Sig family looked at the offerings there? The one out here looked to have a few 225s and maybe others. I'm looking at buying my first Sig (er wait no I have a Trailside hehe oops) and wanted to see if anyone has any words on the ones traded to Gander...
 
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but as I'm sure some of you know there are a group of Sigs at your local GM... they look like former police carry guns,
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I don't have any G.Mountains around me, but from what I've read over on the Sigforum, the P225s they have are P6s. They are Police trade ins from Germany. Most of the P6s are clean internally, but FUGLY on the outside. The import marks are just plain nasty, and the cut hammer.... :barf: From what I've read, most are really nice shooters - execpt for the DA pull (very heavy). Some people have had problems with the barrel not feeding hollow point ammo.
That being said, they can be had for cheap, $300 - $350. I'm thinking about getting one and having it re-finished (frame OD green, slide and controls in black) and replacing the hammer with a regular P225 hammer and putting a lighter Wolff hammer spring in it. I'm also thinking about making my own SAS out of it by "melting" the slide and import mark before I send it out to CCR. I've seen new barrels sell for about $150 (if you need one)

Good luck!
 
I'm heading over to the GM near me, just to check and see if the hammer(s) on the Sigs there have that cutout, how knows there may be a real 225 in the mix for the same price as the P6 trade-ins... looks like a good option for a carry/truck gun that already has some age to it...
 
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