SilencerCo Releasing Blue Label Program Shot Show

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Irishpride07

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A little preview of whats to come at Shot Show....... SilencerCo will be releasing a new LE/Military/First Responder program that will make you have to own a SilencerCo silencer. This will be the "Glock Blue Label program" for silencers except better!!!!!!!!!!! Prices are going to be awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Look for more info to come from SilencerCo. If you are one of the Following then this will apply to you:

• Sworn Law Enforcement officers, including Federal, State, County, & City
o Includes retired L.E. officers with “retired credentials
• EMT’s, Fire Fighters, Volunteer Fire Fighters, and Paramedics
• Military personnel including Reservists and National Guard with I.D.
o Includes retired Military with “retired” credentials
• Corrections Officers, including Parole and Probation Officers
• Court Judges, District Attorneys and Deputy District Attorneys.
• LE Academy Cadets with enrollment documentation from the Academy
 
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Because EMT's need suppressors... and DOD ID-carrying PMC Contractors don't?.

Uhh... <sigh>...

Maybe it's time to add a category.


Willie

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Welcome to The High Road, Irishpride07 :cool:

Very interesting update on the cans, too! Let us know if additional info comes your way......:)
 
Why should they get discounts? Why are they any more or less special than the rest of us.They get poaid well to do a job. No one forces them . The make more than a lot of us do and if needed for the job it would be provided for.
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It's a strategic move to get the fuzz more familiar and better educated as a whole on the subject of personal suppressor ownership. Incremental normalization.
 
Thanks for having me. There was something left out.
• Sworn Law Enforcement officers, including Federal, State, County, & City
o Includes retired L.E. officers with “retired credentials
• EMT’s, Fire Fighters, Volunteer Fire Fighters, and Paramedics
• Military personnel including Reservists and National Guard with I.D.
o Includes retired Military with “retired” credentials
• Corrections Officers, including Parole and Probation Officers
• State Licensed Security Companies ( Loomis, Ram, Etc.)
o State Licensed Armed Security Officers

• Court Judges, District Attorneys and Deputy District Attorneys.
• LE Academy Cadets with enrollment documentation from the Academy
 
^^

But not private military company guys with US Dept of Defense contractor ID's?


EMT's: yes?

"Field Hands": no?

Odd.


Willie

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This is awesome. Myself and another firefighter I work with just bought 3 cans each a couple months ago...
 
Because firefighters need suppressors?


"It's a strategic move to get the fuzz more familiar and better educated as a whole on the subject of personal suppressor ownership. Incremental normalization."


Precisely. It's a list of every cop and wanna-be cop or LEO job they could dream up. Might be a way to get more goodies into the hands of the "coffee-club of blue-light displayers", but... for the rest of us (including many real-world players) it's odd that EMT's and Firefighters are included while not including many DOD employees who are far larger players in the community.

I *was* planning on ordering a Saker and an Osprey. Now I'll look for another maker, as apparently I have less value to this manufacturer than my next door neighbor, who's never lifted a finger for the DOD, but who manages to drink Saturday-Beer at the local volunteer FD and ride on the fire engines on the 4th of July.


Unintended consequeneces of "discounts" are that they alienate those found less worthy.


Willie

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Don't cry Willy. Mo corrections officers are the lowest paid in the US. I have never received a net paycheck as much as the Mo DOC claims I make. No one can tell me why. Personnel just shrugs their shoulders. But this is the first time I have seen included, corrections officers and P&P officers.
 
Noting that obviously they will only be selling these to individual transferees, not to Trusts.

I mean, a trust cannot be a volunteer fireman, can it? Or an EMT? :confused:


:rolleyes:



Bemused,


Willie

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Willie Sutton said:
. . . Unintended consequeneces of "discounts" are that they alienate those found less worthy . . .
Shame on you for not acknowledging that government employees are more special than you are - after all, people like paramedics, firemen, military and police retirees, and judges have FAR more need for suppressed firearms than John Q. Public.
 
^^ True.

In any event, they have lost me as a customer. And that's a real-world loss to them of at least 2 and up to 4 cans I was planning to buy. I was primed for a 9mm can, a 7.62 can, and at least one .22 can, as well as likely a .45 can. Whatever delta between the MSRP and the "blue light special" price is going to be is really the difference in how different groups of customers are valued. They earn a profit at both price points, and I am all in favor of profit, but not "extra" profit because I'm not in one of their "favored categories". I'd prefer to do business with a company who holds one fair price for all comers no matter if red, blue, or green.

They might also note that many in the RKBA community don't absolutely think that the "blue-light-club members" deserve any more thanks than the one that's in their paycheck, and don't deserve anything after work hours regarding "special favors".


"All animals are equal except some animals are more equal than others" , and all that stuff.




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They lost me as a customer because I don't deal with companies who think cops and other "blue light chasers" are more valuable as people than me, and who think those special categories of animals deserve special treatment. That's a mindset that has brought our once great nation to what we see today, where there truly are two species of humans: Those with badges, and those without.

It's my money, and my consumer choice, made for my own reasons. My wallet, my rules.

Your own actual mileage may vary.


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With all due respect does this mean you won't be buying any more firearms? Glock, Smith-Wesson, Ruger, Sig, Walther, HK, FNH, Remington, Beretta, hell even smaller companies like Spikes Tactical and Del-Ton have these LE/Military/First Resonder Programs? Just wondering since you won't support any manufacture that has these program?
 
Some people are appreciative that firefighters and emergency medical personnel put their lives on the line to help out strangers. Especially volunteers who give up a lot of personal time to stay up to national standards in order to be able to protect your life and property. Not to mention that volunteer fire and ambulance companies save a significant amount of tax dollars to the municipalities that they service.

I'm sure your neighbor has done a little more than drink beer and ride on the fire engines in parades. Maybe if you joined your volunteer company and sacrificed some of your time and health, silencerco would be willing to give you a "thank you" for your effort. Next time there is a line of duty death, I suggest you attend the funeral to see the possible consequences of being selfless and volunteering for your community.
 
Some people believe that these people are thanked by what they find in their paychecks, and the acclaim and thanks that they receive from their own community whom they serve. I'm one of those.

Now: If you give discounts to people on $1000+ items because they are simply police academy cadets, or judges, or retired cops, what you are really saying is that your prices to everyone else is too high, because simple finances says that one group needs to subsiduze the other. Think of it as a tax to "me" for a deal given to someone else, who really has done nothing to deserve it. Firefighters need suppressors? EMT's? Retired judges?

I'm missing something: Is the color of their money somehow different than mine?

Give me a break.

I'll patronize firms that have one fair price for all who desire to hand over their hundreds. Think of it as color-blind business.

What the companies recited by Irishpride07 charge for *actual military and LEO contract sales* is irrelevent. Those large contracts are ones of large volume, negotiated prices, and actual value to the taxpayers. The opposite is lowering prices to a "chosen few" and making it up by charging the "average guy" more. Ond discount serves us (the taxpayer) and the other screws us (we get to subsidize other *civilians* discounts for their *toys*).

Yup... that's what it means. When cops and other members of the blue-light-club get a discount, it means that the rest of us make it up. It's hidden tax on not being among the elect. Free pizza? Free donuts? Free coffee? That's all a tax on ME when I buy my own. This is just more of the same stuff. I pay my direct taxes for my cops, and I donate lots to my local FD and EMT's, and that's enough tax "thanks just the same" for what these people provide to me as a service. I'm not doing business with a firm that wants me to further subsidize their toys, which is what we are talking about. An EMT or fireman needs a suppressor abut as much as I do, which is a nice way of saying "not at all". These are toys at this level, not tools.


So:

Liking what I see from AAC. They will be getting a check for nearly $3K that yesterday would have gone to Silencerco. Thanks Irishpride07 for losing them the business. Your social media work for them rocks! :rolleyes:


"I'm sure your neighbor has done a little more than drink beer and ride on the fire engines in parades. Maybe if you joined your volunteer company and sacrificed some of your time and health, silencerco would be willing to give you a "thank you" for your effort."


Nope. He doesn't. I did, however, toss more than $5K last year towards my local VFD and volunteer ambulance squad. I *choose* to donate to worthy causes, however I *choose* not to participate in a two-tier system of pricing where some animals are more equal than others. Noting, also, that I actually spend six months a year in the desert wearing khaki, am in it now, and that this leaves precious little time to polish fire trucks in order to earn my subsidized discount on my toys. I'll just accept the thanks I find in my paycheck and spend it where I choose.



"With all due respect does this mean you won't be buying any more firearms? Glock, Smith-Wesson, Ruger, Sig, Walther, HK, FNH, Remington, Beretta, hell even smaller companies like Spikes Tactical and Del-Ton have these LE/Military/First Resonder Programs?"


The last new firearm I bought was a new build FG-42. The last new firearm I bought before that was 20+ years ago... just sayin'.



<sigh>...



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AAC makes great cans and I think you will be more then happy.

On other note you have your facts wrong about Government/Military contracts. That is something completly different.The companies i mentioned offer Individual officer programs and yes that means Fire Rescue and EMT's. Not hear to change your mind as your mind is already made up and that is fine. Doesn't bother me one bit whether you buy AAC, Gemtech, Surefire ETC…… Your dollar your choice.
 
"Your dollar your choice."


Precisely.

In any event, I'm sincerely sorry for the thread drift. I'm a purist when it comes to my philosophies and who I reward and why, and I'm sure those who support more and more freebies for the other half of the citizens are deeply appreciative of more discounted gravy being poured into their bowl.


Willie

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Out of curiosity, your first post mentioned that EMS get a discount but DOD contractors don't. If Silencerco offered DOD contractors a discount that you qualified for would you still withhold your business out of principle?
 
"Out of curiosity, your first post mentioned that EMS get a discount but DOD contractors don't. If Silencerco offered DOD contractors a discount that you qualified for would you still withhold your business out of principle? "


Yup. I run my business and professiona life purely on these principals. Read Atlas Shrugged and you'll understand. Or not. Depends on what lessons you draw from it, I guess.

I put that bit in in as a sort of benchmark: Working armed professionals versus "local yokels". Please take no offense, in the spirit of the Willie-Humor with which it's intended.

Truthfully... I value good volunteer EMT's and firemen "very high" on my list of folks who I appreciate around town, and donate accordingly. I also rate them "damned low" when it comes to what special prices they ought to obtain at the gunshop. Ditto retired judges, retired cops, Loomis security guards, wanna-be cops, and all their ilk. I think of freebies for these folks as "tax inertia", meaning "the hidden additional cost to the citizenry of giving free stuff out to people already compensated by the public via their taxes". Mexico stands as an example of this taken too far: Cops there are self-financed out of the graft they churn. I'll not support any of it here. Public employees: Look for your thanks in your paycheck, and spend it the same as me.

As for me, I'm quite happy to pay cash on the barrelhead, no questions asked and no favors sought. I give no favors, and I expect none. I recognize that every favor given to another is paid for by me, and the favors that I might be offered come at a cost to others. I don't play. I pay for what I want, and folks either pay me for what they want from me or they don't get it. Keeps accounting simple and there's more in the end to go around for all.

I'm expecting that nobody else really wants to continue to hear my ideas of ethical society, so I'm gonna do what I generally do worst, and that's to quit before I get kicked.



Willie


PS: A first time poster who comes aboard with a lot of !!! and !!!!! and !!!!!!! about some EXCITING!!!!! new DEAL that's AWESOME!!!!!!! from a manufacturer is likely a shill for that manufacturer.

Folks can sniff out a social media manager.

Just sayin'.....


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Willie Sutton said:
Liking what I see from AAC. They will be getting a check for nearly $3K that yesterday would have gone to Silencerco.

I have seven AAC suppressors and have nothing but good things to say about their products. You won't be disappointed. I have the AAC suppressors listed below and will probably get a few more such as another TiTAN-QD and/or a MK13-SD.

TiTAN-QD
MK13-SD
762-SDN-6
M4-2000
ELEMENT2
Ti-RANT .45
Ti-RANT 9mm
 
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