SilencerCo Releasing Blue Label Program Shot Show

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I like the idea of this program. And to those of you who are jealous because some people may get discounts while others don't, I would offer that it is nicer for some to get discounts than nobody at all. I must say that this is the first time that I've heard people complain about a company giving Military/LE discounts.
 
Actually I bet there are a lot more people who would complain about Military/LEO/Civil Servants getting discounts if they wouldn't get hammered for saying so.

I find it distasteful myself. If a company wants to sell at a negotiated discounted price to an organization, that is one thing. If they want to give special deals to people based on current or worse, past employment, then they are just insulting the rest of us.

A lot of people in my family are, and were, farmers. It is one of the most dangerous jobs in the US, highest by death rate and third in total deaths. And I can make the argument that they actually need silencers for their occupation. So why not give them a sweet deal, just because they are farmers? They provide a service necessary for all civilization.

If Silencerco wants to educate LEOs, they can run a national education program.
 
I find it distasteful myself. If a company wants to sell at a negotiated discounted price to an organization, that is one thing. If they want to give special deals to people based on current or worse, past employment, then they are just insulting the rest of us.

This is where I get confused.
I really don't care who the discount, if they gave a discount to everyone in the world not named Bob (let's say that's my real name) I would think it was stupid, I may even tell my wife about it, so she could laugh at the ignorance to.
THEN I would look at their product, compare it's quality to the price and determine if it was what I wanted and worth the asking price.

Why do I care about the decisions to discount others?
I'm really glad I don't get offended/insulted as easily as some of you guys.
Doesn't it get old, worrying so much about the procedures of others.

Show me the product, tell me the price, pretty much everything else is irrelevant.

My 2¢
 
"Why do I care about the decisions to discount others? "


Because you pay for their discount.

Sort of like "who pays for the free community college education Obama wants to hand out". The answer is *you*. Silencerco will not lose money... they will just forward the lost profit column for the discounts over to what they need to earn from the rest of us.


Ain't no free lunch.


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Has it ever occurred to you they may just not make as much selling at a discout?
Nobody said they were losing money, in all likely hood I'm not paying for anything.

Did (will) prices go up after this discount?
Some how I doubt it.

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And you know what even if they do and the company still puts out a good product for the price. Then I'm again back to "I don't care"

I think Black Friday sales are stupid, they DO lose money on those and therefore your arguement might work in that case. But I still do business with those companies...... And I'll bet you do to.
 
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Willie,

Can you cite any can maker that offers personal discounts to government security contractors (you left out the whole range of security contractos for State and other fed gov agencies)? Not the companies they work for, but the individuals. Perhapas the proper approach would have been to address this question by asking if they'd add the people providing armed security for folks like Kerry and others as a possible oversight instead of blustering about how neglected DoD contractors might have been.
 
They get poaid well to do a job. No one forces them .

Cops get paid well? Firefighters? or military? You may want to check the average paycheck of all three of these. If you consider the pay of an E3 or rural small town firefighter to be "well" then you obviously joined the wrong career!

They lost me as a customer because I don't deal with companies who think cops and other "blue light chasers" are more valuable as people than me, and who think those special categories of animals deserve special treatment. That's a mindset that has brought our once great nation to what we see today, where there truly are two species of humans: Those with badges, and those without.

Do you have Glocks? Sigs? Oakley? There are about 100 different companies that I can think of in the tactical and firearms business that offer discounts to military / LEO and FF's. Hell there is a large gun shop near me that extends those discounts to teachers and airline pilots.
These are people who have chosen a career that offers a service to the public in exchange for a medium and often times low pay rate compared to their "civilian" counterparts.

They lost you as a customer because someone else gets a discount? I bet you wouldn't be so sore if those discounts extended to whatever your line of work is. Honestly it just sounds like childish pouting because johnny gets one more cookie than you.
 
Because EMT's need suppressors... and DOD ID-carrying PMC Contractors don't?.

I am a DOS contractor and knoq plenty of DoD organizations that had suppressed weapons. HOWEVER I watched alot of those get them taken away because of garbage like the Blackwater fisaco in Iraq several years back. The DoD contractors who thought they were untouchable and went over to Iraq and AFG and acted like idiots. Matter of fact I work for the company that hired alot of those guys when the contract the were on with BW was given to another company. Its been 6-7 years and the arrogance and ego still has not left them.

ANYWAY. I am not aware of any mission with these contractors would would require the need for suppressed weapons. Hell the US Gov. has become so cowardly that they have allowed Iraqi Gov to not allow us to carry weapons on our own embassy in Baghdad with the exception being gate guards and select personnel. Even on aircraft they had to hide the rifles in the rifle cases meant to look like tennis bags. When the guys went outside it was to escort heads of state or dignitaries, etc around and a suppressed weapon was not necessary and would only make it harder to handle inside a vehicle.
 
I have received many PM’s about people who are either concerned, hurt or feel that they have been left out from several different forums. I am attaching a reply to a gentlemen’s PM I received that I felt I should explain a little more as he deserves an explanation. Reply to PM in in RED. Name is left out of the person who PM me and I have added a few other things to speak to some other concerns. So here it is. Thanks…

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First off let me say thank you for your service. Secondly I do not work for SilencerCo nor do I speak for them. This info leaked was just something that I found extraordinary, as this will be the first in the silencer community. DOD and others (Disabled and Veterans) will not and are not forgotten. We give thanks and appreciation to all!!!! This was an attempt to share info as a generalization. What you do for my family and country goes further then you will ever know so I say thank you. If I may, I would like to share some key points that most may have not looked at mostly because the info that was shared was just the beginning and all will be clear when released at Shot Show. With that said, may I ask a few questions?

Do you prefer not to buy Glock, Smith-Wesson, Ruger, FNH, Sig Sauer, Taurus, Beretta etc…. ? All these manufactures have an LE/Military program. Great programs at that, but all have criteria. Some better then others, but not all the same. I understand that people who do not always meet the criteria of the manufacture still receive discounts on these products, but the discounts aren’t coming from the manufactures unless you fall under there criteria. The people who don’t fall under the criteria are given discounts by the dealers who are thankful and appreciate what individuals do for our country. SilencerCo is trying to bring the BEST!!!!

Did you know that not one single Silencer Manufacture offers a LE/Military discount program? Gemtech, AAC, Surefire, Knights all have Military contracts of some sorts, but do not have an Individual Officer program. Not because they don’t want to, but because one has not been created yet. All great companies. Yes, you may be able to call up and receive 10% off or better, but still have to meet criteria. Some may even get a smoking deal, but these are few and far between. The reality is most dealers are already giving you this discount because the appreciation they have for all MEN/Women and what you all do and have done for our country. Dealers are selling their products for minimum over their price, not because they have to, but because they want to show appreciation.

I guess what I'm trying to say is SilencerCo is very much appreciative to all Men/Women who proudly serve and have served our country. They are proud and thankful for everyone who has served whether it was short term or long term. This is why they are starting a program that not one Silencer manufacture had dreamed about. This is not to alienate or discriminate against anyone or show that one group is better then the next. This is to help the men and women who serve and have served our great nation. Goes to say that most if not all manufactures feel proud and blessed to have you buy their products and Love each and every one of you. SilencerCo just took it a step further in the silencer community.

In regards to you wanting SilencerCo products and now you feel like you were discriminated against and want to look elsewhere. First and fore most you were thinking of purchasing these products (I Presume) because of the great quality and performance, reliability, innovation, excellent customer support and price point. This has not change in what the product is. SilencerCo makes phenomenal products.

Either way you lean I wish you the best in all your endeavors and glad to see that you are at least thinking of buying a silencer any silencer. They are awesome in everyway and a great way to save your ears and make shooting more enjoyable. God Bless and Thank you once again for everything you do for our great nation.

With all that said Silencerco or any other manufacture is not out to discriminate or leave anyone out. There are great dealers out there who take care of both LE/Military and commercial. Hope this clears some stuff up, but most will be cleared come Shot Show.
 
Irish - your PM above clears up that you are NOT affiliated with the company, and were just posting FYI info on something coming up.

I don't get particularly out of sorts that a company is offering discounts to certain groups of folks. I know many individuals that have served our great nation (as you note above), but don't happen to readily fall into any of the categories that many companies (not just this one) extend discounts to.

I have many friends and relatives who are current and former sworn officers. Many friends and relatives have served in the armed forces, and have been in harms way. I am glad to see companies like this making offers that they can avail themselves of.

However, I do want to point out to all such companies that there are many other folks that do not fall into these defined categories, and have definitely been in harms way, in the service of this country.

  • A civilian agency employee that has been shot at and had rocks thrown at her, while in the performance of her duties, overseas.
  • A company employee working in support of a government contract, who likewise found himself staring down the barrel of a rifle.
  • Two colleagues, who gave up much of their personal lives post-911, one as an employee of a civilian domestic agency, the other as a contractor to another agency.
  • And the list goes on of regular folks that have made significant sacrifices in the service of this nation.

This is not to denigrate many of the fine folks who have served in a uniformed capacity. Many of these folks go above and beyond, and its nice to give them some recognition.

On the other hand, maybe some companies could consider if and how they could extend any such offering to other folks who have gone above and beyond, have very much been in harms way, but just don't fit into those tried and true categories of "badges and helmets." Not just government (which could BTW include DHS, State Dep't, CIA, NSA, not just DOD) ... How about civilian contractors that end up doing a lot of the drudge work? (OK, I do recognize the problem that a individual might get in a heck of a lot of hot water by disclosing the company's gov't contract, work order or even general nature of work. Not sure how to resolve that...).

As a side note, I'll note a friend who does fall into the stated category (armed forces), who has never been in harms way, spent his entire tour in an aircondition room drinking soda pop (his words, not mine). He is a government employee, and he actually cringes over the 50+ point hiring benefit he gets just by checking off a box on government job applications (putting him ahead of other folks who may not have served). We talked about these purchasing benefits that selected groups get, and yes he did avail himself of the armed forces discount on some purchases, but he really sounded conflicted about it. He just mailed in for a $30 rebate from S&W on a revolver for example, just for being retired military. Interesting discussions with him.

So, I kind of can see where Willie might be coming from. But the the company being discussed here has a discount program offer that - as described - may already be broader than similar programs offered by other companies.

I would be nice to extend such discount programs to other deserving individuals and groups, but I'm not sure how to do that easily.

How about a random one-day-a-year discount for everyone who does NOT fit into the tried and true categories. Kind of a reverse program :)
 
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As a side note, I'll note a friend who does fall into the stated category (armed forces), who has never been in harms way, spent his entire tour in an aircondition room drinking soda pop

He still signed his name on a line that said he would be ready for it when it comes and spent his career preparing and training for it. did you?

I would expect this type of jealousy and hurt feelings out of a junior high school cheerleading team, not a group of grown men.

We all made our life choices! I have been a reservist for nearly 11 years. I do it because I first wanted someone to help me pay for college and then once I got my GI Bill and earned my BA I got a civilian job that paid well and was directly because of my mil service. Then I got my MA and continued to serve because I feel a duty to my country and honestly I have fun. In the last 8 years of Reserve time I have just under 2.5 years of active duty time earned. Which has caused a huge toll on my relationship, ability to attend events and promotion in my civilian career despite being being here the longest and having the highest education and stellar evaluations.

If some company wants to see something in that and offer me a discount I will certainly take that into consideration when considering my next suppressor.

What do EMT's NEED suppressors?
Like three people have asked this. REALLY? You are starting to sound like Mayor Bloomberg and his gang. I have 5 suppressors, 4 SBR's and about 30 guns many would label "assault weapons" I don't "NEED" any of them. I also do not think they are suggesting EMT's need suppressed weapons for work purposes. Even if you think as a civilian contractor you need or could benefit from a suppressor for your weapon you do realize bringing it OCONUS is a violation of ITAR and a Federal offense?

Finally your "thank you" for being a government contractor overseas is the giant paychecks. I recruit for one of the largest gov't contractors, mainly for positions in dangerous places throughout the world. I am well aware on what they make for my company as well as others. I raised my right hand to serve my country knowing I could be called upon to go somewhere for mediocre money, away from my wife and life back at home. You raised your hand and said I want to go directly to that place because the money is far more than I would make back in the US, the rotation cycle is far better than someone serving a year in the military overseas, the living conditions are typically comparable to those of field grade officers. Your overseas paychecks have allowed you do buy that FG42, others have to take WIC to feed their kids as an E2.
 
The complaining in this thread absolutely disgusts me. All this whining and nobody even knows what the discount even is! What if it's the same as buying a can from a dealer that doesn't charge MSRP?

The whining about firefighters particularly pisses me off. Ever stop and think for a minute that fire depts are different across the US and not all are volunteer and not all career depts pay well?

What about the fact that no company owes any of us a darn thing!
 
He still signed his name on a line that said he would be ready for it when it comes and spent his career preparing and training for it. did you?

Why, gee, yes I did. And then went into civilian government service. And then "other stuff." And now entering a fourth phase of my career. So what does that have to do with the price of beans in Boston?

And you completely missed the point of my anecdote, which was simply to note the views of a good friend who proceeds with no sense of "entitlement" or pretense whatsoever.

You may also have missed that I was not criticizing SilencerCo's discount offer - to the contrary, I noted it was significantly broader than that offered by other companies. This is a nice program. It's a company's perogative to offer discounts to any group they want.

What part of my following statement was unclear? " I am glad to see companies like this making offers that they [i.e. servicemen] can avail themselves of."

Please try to read before flaming.

The bulk of my post was merely to reflect on other folks that are not traditionally "in the line of duty," but still very much put themselves on the line. And pondered whether they could or should be included in such programs as well, in recognition of their service to this country. And also acknowledged this was probably not easy to do.

I'm happy that any company seeks to acknowledge the public service of its potential customers.

If you read my comments otherwise, so be it. I don't feel entitled to any sort of discount, just on the basis of my background, service, whatever. I'm glad some companies make the offer. I might raise an eyebrow over someone that does somehow feel they are entited, or worse - more entitled than others - to get some kind of discount. I don't expect one. I might just go out and buy one of these danged things at full price just for the moral point ;) :p
 
p.s., and more to the point, does any one have any experience or review of the Osprey vs. Octane. I've already done the web search, but THR input is appreciated.
 
Ironman - you might be just the resource I was looking for. Do you perfer one over the other (if so, why)? Any great difference in balance between the two? Or decibel reduction ( I read the Osprey may reduce dB just slightly over the other). Any relative thoughts on using either a smaller pistol (e.g. Sig p228/p229)? Thanks!
 
I am an EMT Paramedic and I am afraid I have to agree with Willie Sutton. I hate the preferential treatment people who wear uniforms are getting.

There are two sets of laws in my city you get more time if your crime happens to be against law enforcement.

I for one belive this is crap one human being's life is not worth more than another's.

If people say I am better because I wear a uniform they have just devalued me, and my uniform which I would normally be proud of for what it represents, would now be a stupid monkey suit representative of a stooge.

In the world trade center 3000 people lost their lives but the only thing I hear about is the people in uniform who lost their lives.

While I appreciate the uniformed men and women they are not any better than any one of the others that died and to imply that is sickening and disgusting.

My union is trying to get stiffer penalties for anyone who assaults an EMT. The problem is we don't have an out of control problem of our EMTs getting assaulted and passing any such laws will only alienate us from the community we serve.

I am not stupid enough to swallow the election campain koolaid. I think my union leader needs to pull somthing better out of his butt such as say fair treatment and pay for all the EMS workers who need to get a second job to support their family.

We did have one serious assault where a female EMT obtained fractures after being assaulted by a drunk guy in the back of her ambulance. Normally this could get the regular guy some years in the slammer alone without any stupid unneeded enhanced penalties and it even made head line news but never fear THE PERPETRATOR HAPPENED TO BE A NYC DISTRICT ATTORNEY. HE GOT A WHOPPING PENALTY OF COMMUNITY SERVICE AND STILL GETS TO KEEP HIS JOB.

If an EMT or any other regular person did that, they are either going to cop a plea for jail time or get to explain themselves to a jury without a doubt. Oh and don't forget they will kick our a## out on to the street so fast without the benefits of an unemployment check too but it seems like the rules that are already in place don't apply to other people who can apparently hurt or injure us at will without any serious consequences.

I see this preferential treatment of uniformed people by this silencer company as another spoke in the wheel that is running over our liberties and human rights.

So yes Willie Sutton is right that is what this country is comming to.
 
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But if a company chooses to give a discount to ANYONE other than me, why should I care?

That's my disconnect, I don't care and I haven't heard an agreement that would make me care.

Maybe if they were giving a discount to ISIS.
 
If a company shows preferential treatment to others in this current climate I care because I choose to and I will do some talking with other people and with my money.

Maybe they will find out if all these people they give special treatment to will be there for them in the long run after they get tired of playing with their cans.

We are not good enough for them now hey maybe we will never be good enough for them.
 
If a company shows preferential treatment to others in this current climate I care because I choose to and I will do some talking with other people and with my money
But the overwhelming majority of businesses "give preferential treatment" to some group, the people you go to because you left the first business in all likelihood give preferential treatment to someone. You can't get away from it, you just move to a different company show preferential treatment to a different group, just likely without your knowledge.
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Maybe my problem is that I don't see anything wrong with a business owner deciding he wants to show preferential treatment to a group of his choosing. it's their business and their profits... Again..... Why do I care?
 
No one is saying anyone is better then anyone. We are all equal. Let's just do away with college scholarships, pay raises, tax exemptions etc.... What is going on here?
 
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