MY son and i went to our cowboy shoot this weekend get to first round and have 20 clicks each no boom good primer hits changed to another box of reloads and all is good. Get home and pulled reloads that did not fire and no powder. 20 years loading 100 reloads no powder. What I don't understand is no noise when i pulled these down the back of the bullet was blackened like the prime went off but only clicked is this possible? The loads were 38 win primers 158 lead.
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Remo-99
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Often if there is no powder in a handgun round, it will just sound like the primer didn't fire, just hearing the hammer click down. The pressure of the primer ignition is fully contained within the still sealed case, by the bullet without evidence that the bullet has been pushed forward also.
Were the offending rounds reloaded on a progressive press?
Were the offending rounds reloaded on a progressive press?
hoghunting
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Wow. No noise and obviously not enough explosive force to push the bullet from the casing. I have seen bullets stuck in barrels from the primer without powder. I would contact the manufacturer with the lot number and explanation of the problem. If they want them back, make sure they give you a shipping label.
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"Click" not "Bang"...
Joe TDG--IMX, the results of a "no-powder" reload are like those reported by Remo-99: A click, and nothing else. This is with target loads with 0.0 grains of Win 231 in the case by mistake.
Sure easier to deal with than a bullet stuck 1/2 way down a bbl, or, worst-case of all, with the bullet stuck 1/2-way out of the case, in a revolver, thus preventing the opening of the cylinder or anything else.
Joe TDG--IMX, the results of a "no-powder" reload are like those reported by Remo-99: A click, and nothing else. This is with target loads with 0.0 grains of Win 231 in the case by mistake.
Sure easier to deal with than a bullet stuck 1/2 way down a bbl, or, worst-case of all, with the bullet stuck 1/2-way out of the case, in a revolver, thus preventing the opening of the cylinder or anything else.
rcmodel
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Sure easier then finding out where all that powder went that wasn't there, and then finding it after you blow up a gun & yourself with a double tripple charge!
I hate to preach, but you really need to determine what went wrong with your reloading Quality Control Safety measures and fix them, ASAP!!
rc
I hate to preach, but you really need to determine what went wrong with your reloading Quality Control Safety measures and fix them, ASAP!!
rc
This really don't make sense. The few no powder loads that I have had you could still hear a pop when the primer went off. And I was wearing ear muffs. And the primer had enough power to blow the bullet half in and half out of the cylinder/forcing cone locking up the cylinder. How loud a click did the the hammer make? Maybe it just drowned out the sound of the primer.
rfwobbly
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My question is this. If a primer fires in the woods, but there's no one there to hear it....
new lee loadmaster thought had every thing right checked powder drop after drop i think i must have loaded with powder hopper turned off have since mounted led for tired old eyes thought i seen powder in every one never had one failer in 20 years on single stage. But still shot these in a ruger vaquero no sound. at first thought primers not seated so tried primer again same click. suprised to see back of lead black. Hard to admit to such a stupid mistake
JimKirk
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That is the reason I like my step by step process of reloading any cartridge. One of the steps involves having all my charged case in reloading trays AND looking into each case under strong light to verify that there is powder in each one and that they all look to be at the same level. This is a very important step that every reloader should take. It'll take less time to do while you're loading than pulling bullets and wasting primers.
Jimmy K
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David Wile
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Hey joetdj,
What follows is a quote of your last post:
"new lee loadmaster thought had every thing right checked powder drop after drop i think i must have loaded with powder hopper turned off have since mounted led for tired old eyes thought i seen powder in every one never had one failer in 20 years on single stage. But still shot these in a ruger vaquero no sound. at first thought primers not seated so tried primer again same click. suprised to see back of lead black. Hard to admit to such a stupid mistake"
Your original post was similar in that it consisted of five "sentences" which were made up of perhaps a dozen or more disconnected thoughts and subjects, but they were all run together and made it difficult for any reader to understand what you were trying to say.
From what you "said" in your two posts, it would seem you are too busy or too indifferent to spend the time necessary time to clarify your thoughts with punctuation and some semblance of reasonable grammar. It would also seem that you do not bother to think about what you want to say and then re-reading what you have written.
The whole idea of having grammatic "rules" for writing in any language is simply to facilitate the communication of ideas. The whole idea of having reloading "rules" is to facilitate safe reloading practices and safe results when using your reloaded ammo.
If your writing practices are any indication of your reloading practices, there may be a correlation there as to what is causing your problems. In short, if your reloading practices are as sloppy as your writing practices, it should not be a great surprise that you are having problems with your reloads.
It gives me no pleasure to write the critical remarks I made above. I really do not like the idea of making someone feel bad. However, I think what I have written is deserving of your attention and should be considered.
Best wishes,
Dave Wile
What follows is a quote of your last post:
"new lee loadmaster thought had every thing right checked powder drop after drop i think i must have loaded with powder hopper turned off have since mounted led for tired old eyes thought i seen powder in every one never had one failer in 20 years on single stage. But still shot these in a ruger vaquero no sound. at first thought primers not seated so tried primer again same click. suprised to see back of lead black. Hard to admit to such a stupid mistake"
Your original post was similar in that it consisted of five "sentences" which were made up of perhaps a dozen or more disconnected thoughts and subjects, but they were all run together and made it difficult for any reader to understand what you were trying to say.
From what you "said" in your two posts, it would seem you are too busy or too indifferent to spend the time necessary time to clarify your thoughts with punctuation and some semblance of reasonable grammar. It would also seem that you do not bother to think about what you want to say and then re-reading what you have written.
The whole idea of having grammatic "rules" for writing in any language is simply to facilitate the communication of ideas. The whole idea of having reloading "rules" is to facilitate safe reloading practices and safe results when using your reloaded ammo.
If your writing practices are any indication of your reloading practices, there may be a correlation there as to what is causing your problems. In short, if your reloading practices are as sloppy as your writing practices, it should not be a great surprise that you are having problems with your reloads.
It gives me no pleasure to write the critical remarks I made above. I really do not like the idea of making someone feel bad. However, I think what I have written is deserving of your attention and should be considered.
Best wishes,
Dave Wile
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