David E
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Almost all sd/hd shootings are resolved (win or lose) in 0 to 2 shots.
Except that's not true.
But you should still hit your target.
Almost all sd/hd shootings are resolved (win or lose) in 0 to 2 shots.
Bubba, the number of shots required only count when the number is greater than zero.Posted by bubba in ca: Almost all sd/hd shootings are resolved (win or lose) in 0 to 2 shots.
Well, yeah. Targets perhaps.Ergo, hit your target.
David E said regarding the statement that most SD/HD situations are settled with 1-2 shots: "Except that's not true."
Whats your evidence that civilians in self & home defense situations shoot more than 2 rounds in those circumstances ?
And the same question to the poster who said that. Ive heard it repeated many times, but without a source.
Thanks
I also thought five to be plenty, before thinking about it.Posted by skt239: I have not given it a second thought. 5 if plenty for me.
According to Tom Givens of Rangemaster, there are no comprehensive data collected on the details of civilian defensive gun use incidents only. There are data for law enforcement shootings, as would likely be expected. There are reasons for the collective LEO community to undertake evaluating police shootings, but little reason to do anything more in analyzing an individual defensive shooting than is necessary to determine justification or negligence, and no reason to compile the data.Posted by Pointshoot: I have an interest in statistics & the way that statistical information is reported. I did a quick search of the FBI website and did not find a report on the number of shots fired in various civilian defensive shooting incidents. But this was a quick search, and likely I have to keep at it.
What would one do with the answer?And if your statement is correct - - - what is the actual number taking this into account ? If it isn't an average of 2 rounds - - - - was it 2.25 or 3, . . or 15 ?
Do not confuse shooting at the range with self defense.Someone could claim that revolvers are more appropriate for civilian self defense carry because they are shot more deliberately & carefully (often only 5-7rounds on board) and there's a lesser likelihood of extra rounds hitting innocent bystanders. - - -
Of course not, but common sense eliminates the need.---But I don't know of any statistics that back such a statement.
I have not given it a second thought. 5 if plenty for me.
By the way, has anyone thought about the fact that if there is an active shooter, and you are trying to "help", thecops may assume you are a second shooter, and kill you as well?
A consideration, yes, but it could happen to the undercover or off-duty cop who may be present as well. Its not exclusively a CCW issue.Yep. Or another CCW holder might shoot you. Almost happened in the AZ Gabby Giffords shooting, when the armed CCW holder came out of the grocery store and almost shot one of the guys in the crowd who had wrestled the Glock from Laughner's hand.
I'm going to say this publicly--once.Posted by smkummer: I have come to the conclusion that I will return fire long enough to subdue the bad guy so as to finish him off with his gun.
Good thinking!Posted by 460Kodiak: I am not a cop, I am not a soldier, nor am I a coward. I am however, a realist, and if average joe on this forum thinks they will accomplish anything by carrying a load of ammo or be a hero, I encourage those with that mindset to think a little more realistically as well.
They most surely may--and so might another armed citizen.By the way, has anyone thought about the fact that if there is an active shooter, and you are trying to "help", thecops may assume you are a second shooter, and kill you as well?
Good thinking, again. But the question is, will your assessment prove adequate? Let's hope none of us ever find out otherwise.Carry what you need to to take care of yourself and loved ones, not what you need to be a cop............ unless you are in fact a cop.
Yes, and it has happened.Posted by txgunsuscg: A consideration [that one might be shot by mistake], yes, but it could happen to the undercover or off-duty cop who may be present as well. Its not exclusively a CCW issue.
What does round count have to do with anything? If you can get a well aimed shot off all you will need is one or two rounds to stop the fight. If you can not get a well aimed shot off all the ammo in the world will do you no good.
There are all kinds of decisions that have to be made in the absence of actual data. In some cases the events have not yet happened; in others, they have happened very infrequently; in others, even though there may have been a number of occurrences, the number of variables is so great that definitive conclusions cannot be drawn; and in still others, there may be no one who can describe what happened.Posted by Pointshoot: What to do with all this - - if there isn't relevant data out there ?
That''s fine, as long as "whatever you prefer" reflects a realistic, informed decision, and as long as that "realistic practice" really is realistic. Range shooting is good and it is valuable, but I contend that unless one trains for situations such as reacting to at least two very fast moving targets attacking violently and without warning, that practice is inadequate.IMO - - as a civilian, its to use whatever you prefer in terms of a sidearm (revolver or semi-auto) and get proper training and lots of realistic practice in its use.
Yes indeed. Consider this.And, to be clear mentally beforehand on what you may be prepared to do, and the consequences of that.