Since we have had another user with a kaboom...I have ???'s
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There is a lot of homebuilt frankenguns out there and a lot of poorly made reloads. Combine the two and throw in the number of AR platform rifles in circulation and you are bound to have more kabooms. Happens with Glocks occasionally to.
So do YOU want to be the one that gets to write to their moms and explain what wrong with their kids?
I don't want anybody to think I am " anti-blackout" this round does have potential, Just not as it is designed now. It may even become the New 30-30. And I am all for the Gunsports to support military development- the 22 high-power of 1912 gradually morphed into the 5.56, and the .300 Savage became the 7.62 NATO. ( but only after it was redesigned so that if fired in an 06 chamber the it usually don't hurt anything)
So when I drive to the range it wont be in a Suzki Samuri, an Audie 5000 or a Ford Pinto. And when i get there, don't come around my table with any of your nasty little 300 booby trap or I'll rapp you on the knuckles with a bore brush!
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I doubt it
, if this is the KABOOM I remember from a few months back, the "bullet" in question appeared to be a section of solid brass/copper rod with a flat tail end, and "chamfered" front end (like a 45deg angle taper to a sharp point) and length over an inch long. In other words, not something you, me, or even a crazy reloader would consider even a "boolit". Somebody said it would be impossible for an automated loader to process this kind of object, anyway. I believe the consensus was that sabotage at the factory line, or by a crazy nutjob at the store, was likely the culprit.I'll see if I can find the image of the "projectile" they pried out of the barrel. I recall it being a real WTH? moment for me
EDIT: Heeeere we go...and it is a doozy;
I copied the image to my photobucket, since I don't think I can post someone else's attached files, hope that's okay, Soupshooter
"It may even become the New 30-30"
Wait, I thought that's what the 7.62x39 became, after the 30-30 met with an untimely demise. Did something happen to the 7.62, as well? Tragedy all around us
, LOLTCB
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Hardly. Do they look like the ...thing--...in the photo, though?
I sure hope no one's intentionally loading their .223s up with those!A "heavy" bullet in .223 is kind of a cool notion, though. Are they still simple jacketed lead and twice as long, or is there more to them than that? The "bullet" from the kaboom made of light brass/copper, and takes up way too much room in the case. That was the problem, not simply the weight of the projectile. From the shooter's description of events, sounds like there was a full or beyond full power load underneath that thing, to boot.
I asked the question in the other forum but never got an answer; Did they ever do Project Eldest Son in NATO calibers? A guy on the other page even mentioned hearing rumours about this sort of business being perpetrated by militant anti-gun crazies
; hopefully no truth to that.TCB
barn, check out this link. http://web.archive.org/web/20050213233551/http://www.btammolabs.com/tests/4.htm
their website is long gone, but sometimes web archives are a good thing
their website is long gone, but sometimes web archives are a good thing
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Holy hell, the fragmentation of those things is terrifying! That wound cavity has to be the size of some small animals. They look ~30% longer than a "typical" .223 round, but not anywhere near twice as long.
As for the OP's worries (if he's still monitoring this old thread); kabooms due to bogus ammo, caliber mis-chamberment (?), or mechanical failure are hardly unique to the AR, and hardly more common (except for the sheer number of the guns out there).
I own a CZ52 with both the 7.62tok and 9mm barrels; the 9mm will chamber in the tok, but a bad day will result if I do. Therefore, I eliminate the risk by only shooting one caliber at a time, not leaving loaded magazines around to mistakenly pick up, and storing the gun separate from the ammo so I must consciously choose what I'm shooting each time I take the gun out.
It may be wise for folks with quick-swappable uppers to look into these precautions--particularly the one about leaving loaded mags around without some prominent external indication of the caliber therein.
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As for the OP's worries (if he's still monitoring this old thread
); kabooms due to bogus ammo, caliber mis-chamberment (?), or mechanical failure are hardly unique to the AR, and hardly more common (except for the sheer number of the guns out there).I own a CZ52 with both the 7.62tok and 9mm barrels; the 9mm will chamber in the tok, but a bad day will result if I do. Therefore, I eliminate the risk by only shooting one caliber at a time, not leaving loaded magazines around to mistakenly pick up, and storing the gun separate from the ammo so I must consciously choose what I'm shooting each time I take the gun out.
It may be wise for folks with quick-swappable uppers to look into these precautions--particularly the one about leaving loaded mags around without some prominent external indication of the caliber therein.
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