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by Mark Reynolds (http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/reynolds/reynolds4.html)

Isn’t it grand? We live with the means to throw off our oppressors and yet we do nothing at all to stop their march towards the obvious conclusion of national destruction.

Think about it . . . WHY did the Founding Fathers insist on iterating the right to keep and bear arms in the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights? If you read their writings, they left us this avenue as the means to throw off despotic and tyrannical government agents.

The problem lies in the very fact that the majority of the people have given up their freedoms in increments to the point that today they are slaves and yet “believe†they live in the freest nation on the planet. And the “wizards†have placed a spell on the people through the indoctrination processes available via the media and the public school system so that they obey these wizards blindly and at any and all costs.

I am going to tell you of an incident that occurred in my life on one occasion that would have most likely resulted in my death as well as the death of at least one police officer and one bureaucrat. The incident involved the Child Protective Service, which had received a phone call from 1-800-rat-on-your-neighbor, which they felt was worthy enough to investigate. I will not get into details here, as the accusation was unfounded in the first place, so there is no need to explain. However, I will say that this in turn just had to be investigated by the bureaucrats, who have to justify their job’s existence.

So, here I answer my front door and find to my chagrin a woman and a plainclothes police officer with a very visible firearm strapped to his waist wanting to ask me some questions. Feeling that totally ignoring them and slamming the door in their face would be counterproductive, I allowed them free entry to my home and proceeded to try to answer their questions. However, when the questions began to deviate from the original intent, and an obvious threat became apparent, I told them both that they had better get back on track or leave. The officer began to become belligerent, and at that point, I very calmly walked to where I had a .44 magnum revolver hidden from view but very much in my reach, and asked him to either calm down or get back on track or leave. He decided at that point to calm down and so we finished our discussion with no incident. Why did I go to where the .44 magnum was? Because with the threatening track they were on, I had no choice but to shoot them both and then when their backups showed up make an effort to shoot as many of them as possible before I was killed.

What, you may ask was so threatening? THE BUREAUCRAT WAS THREATENING TO KIDNAP MY CHILDREN FROM ME. If they would have made the least effort further in that direction, my children would have ended up fatherless, most likely, but so would have their children. WHY? BECAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO PUT UP WITH SOME GOVERNMENT GOON taking my children from me! There is a VERY deep line in the sand drawn there.

My question to my wife was, WHY AREN’T MEN shooting CPS workers who are obviously involved in KIDNAPPING their children? Why aren’t more police officers being gunned down in the line of “doody†for coming into these situations as the hired guns of the kidnappers? Why doesn’t it EVER happen? It is because we have become a nation of slaves willing to give up our very CHILDREN to these hired kidnappers.

After all, we give the state wizards complete control of our children through the public mind control centers and allow them to drug the boys into submission and grind the teachings of utilitarianism into their young minds. So what if they kidnap them? We gladly turn them over for 12 years of their young lives. Oh sure, there are a few of us, and I do mean a few, who home school our children, trying to protect their young, impressionable minds from the trash that is passed off for education in the GOVERNMENT school system. But unfortunately, we are already good slaves, and even though we home school, we are teaching what we have been taught ourselves in the great wizard’s “teaching†centers. We go to home school meetings with other home schooling people and they want us to “pledge allegiance to the flag†or sing the “Star Spangled Banner†before the meeting begins. And they want to tell us of our “doody†to go out and vote. Or they want to tell us that we must register for Selective Service, which is another nice word for the draft, or how to go about doing the “right thing†when it comes to getting a socialist security number or follow some other mindless government agent’s edict. Ah . . . the control of their minds is so complete.

Do you see the problem? We are armed slaves who will use our arms to keep our slavery intact! We are a nation of functional communists who would KILL ANYONE who would try to take our “freedom†of being a slave from us! IT WAS BRILLIANTLY DONE! Leave the slaves with arms and they will mistakenly “believe that they are free.†I mean after all, doesn’t the bumper sticker say, “Only Free Men Own Guns� It just is not so. Many slaves throughout history had arms at their disposal to FIGHT FOR THEIR SLAVE MASTERS! Why, it is a known fact, which if you are willing to make the effort to search out, that many slaves fought side by side with their “masters†in the War for Southern Independence , i.e., “Civil†War!

We may whine and complain about our bars, but since they are invisible, no one really believes they are living in a cage. They are as the parrot having been taught the useless phrase, “I am free,†voicing that belief at every opportunity while driving down the road in their Japanese automobile with their American flag and fish symbol side by side. And of course using the catch phrase of “love it or leave it†at any opportunity that may arise where someone with a half a brain challenges their idea of “freedom.â€

I mean, how free are we when the pastor of a church refuses to fly the church flag OVER the battle flag of the United States because he is afraid of being persecuted errr . . . prosecuted for violating a law that makes that act a crime?

At the end of this list, I ask you a question. Which of these people are FREE? The answer that you give will show you where you are in your understanding of FREEDOM.

In nation one, an individual can purchase, unhindered by paperwork or regulations a fully automatic machine gun through mail order.

In nation two, for a person to purchase a full automatic, he must pay a tax, submit to a very vigorous background check as well as fulfill numerous requirements. At that point, he is given a license to purchase the full automatic. In this nation, you need to get permission and are treated as guilty until proven innocent just to purchase any firearm.

In nation one, there are no concealed firearm permits. If you feel the need to carry a firearm, you carry one.

In nation two, you must get a license to carry a firearm, and in some sections of this nation, you are just not allowed to carry or have one.

In nation one, a person does not need a driver’s license, insurance, or even a license plate to operate an automobile on the roads.

In nation two, the individual must have a driver’s license, which is only issued after the individual, if a male, has signed up for the military. He must have insurance and a license plate to drive his automobile on the roads.

In nation one, a person does not need a license to do business or to apply a trade.

In nation two, an individual must have a license to do business and to apply a trade. He also must pay numerous taxes just to stay in business.

In nation one, no one pays income tax, property tax, sales tax or personal property tax.

In nation two, you must pay income tax, property tax, sales tax and in many places personal property tax.

I think you get the point. So which nation is “freer†than the other? In which nation would you as an individual desiring freedom prefer to live? Would you rather live in nation ONE or nation TWO?

If you said you would rather live in nation one, then you have picked the ONCE FREE United States .

For all of these contrivances are recent additions to the laws of our land.

Before 1934, ANYONE could own a full automatic and buy and carry any type of handgun they wanted.

Business licenses are a recent addition that makes it impossible to do business without violating a law.

Income tax is as new as 1913, and was actually truly implemented in its current form during WWII. Property tax is new, as well as sales taxes and personal property taxes.

If you picked nation TWO you have picked . . . you guessed it, the CURRENT version of the good ol’ “free†United States .

Why do you suppose the folks in the Middle East would hate our freedom? Because our “freedom†is the freedom spoken of by George Orwell in the book 1984. It is slavery. Slavery is not freedom. We are a nation of double-minded people who have totally lost grasp of the concept of freedom due to the lies we believe.

We do not understand that freedom is not the same as being able to buy a new car or home. Prosperity and freedom are not synonyms.

Freedom has RESPONSIBILTY for one’s actions attached and most folks do not WANT to be responsible. They will argue, telling you that if you don’t have INSURANCE, you are not responsible. My answer to them is that if you have insurance, THE INSURANCE company is responsible for your actions.

And on it goes. People don’t want the RESPONSIBILTY of protecting each other and their own families, so they pass that on to the state agents, who in turn insist that NONE of us go about armed without the state agents’ permission. This can be seen in the response of certain state agents when it came to arming pilots to protect the passengers and themselves from further hijacking. If a state agent wasn’t a passenger aboard the plane, then NO ONE was going to be allowed to be armed. After all, who knows better about protecting you than the state agent?

When you look at the “law†that bans the carrying of firearms on school property, you see in effect a belief that the “law†will protect children. BULL! Anyone can obviously walk past that invisible barrier and kill or maim as many children as they desire because no teacher would dare take on the responsibility of protecting the children from a madman. Their god, the state, has spoken.

I often laugh when I see the sign at one bank (with a picture of a handgun with a slash through it) that states: NO FIREARMS ALLOWED. I asked the tellers, “Do you seriously BELIEVE that some bank robber is going to leave his gun in the getaway car and come in and ask you nice ladies to hand over all the cash available?†All I get back is a blank stare, because of course, in their minds, the law WILL protect them from the robber. He surely wouldn’t think of crossing that barrier and robbing them with a gun, would he?

When will the mindlessness end? I don’t know. I do know that some of us aren’t going to go climb into the cattle cars willingly . . . because we KNOW why the Founding Fathers left the right to keep and bear arms as an unassailable right of a free people.

Stay tuned . . . I am just beginning to rant.
 
OK. I can see your anger, but advocating shooting a Case worker, or anyone on this board is in violation of the rules. I predict this thread will be closed.
 
I worked child abuse cases for the bulk of my career and according to this nutball must ahve "kidnapped" hundreds of kids. I guess I shoulda left'em with their torturing, raping, neglectful 'rents so this guy could feel warm and cozy.

IBTL
 
OK. I can see your anger, but advocating shooting a Case worker, or anyone on this board is in violation of the rules. I predict this thread will be closed.

I don't agree with your concern. This is a quoted article. What you are talking about is enforcement of political correctness. The reference here to an armed response is entirely in context and essential to making the desired point, rational rather than irrational, if you ask me.

What the article fails to mention or consider is that controlling societies are an extension of dominance by a specific religious doctrine. True freedom cannot coexist with organized, dominant, and intrusive religion.
 
He's not talking about you personally Centac, and he's certainly not advocating that there's not bad folks doing bad things to kids out there that need intervention of some kind (though he doesn't say that either does he?)

He is, I believe, stating from a parental point of view his anger and fear of an unjust, anonymous accusation resulting in the state taking your children away from you without any recourse, to which you had no control whatsoever. This isn't some ticket, there isn't any trial to prove the accusation, this is someone taking your kids away based on....not much legally speaking.

If that happened to you (or any parent for that matter who loved thier kids), it, shoot, the very idea of it, would make you pretty angry too.

That said, I disagree with his premise on that issue, finding it short-sighted at best, and at worst......well, worse.

What the article fails to mention or consider is that controlling societies are an extension of dominance by a specific religious doctrine. True freedom cannot coexist with organized, dominant, and intrusive religion.

Huh? Religion has little to nothing to do with the government taking your kids away, nor much of anything else on this topic-even if one wants it to.
 
Well, I can tell you all for a fact that 1-800-crap-on-your-neighbor does indeed exist.

It happened to us, but no LEO was involved. I didn't allow the CPS agent to come in but instead just talked out on the porch. The accusations (which originated from a church that we had formerly attended) were so ridiculous that the case was closed within 24 hours. Another reason I won't have anything to do with churches anymore. :cuss:

A "good" ending for us (would have been better if it never happened) but I can see how in some other, more over-bearing state that it could have gotten nasty.


BTW, if this thread needs to be locked, then the words "Molon Labe" better be banned from this forum also.
 
1-800-crap-on-your-neighbor is nationwide, buddy. My sister got the experience when her Ex's parents phoned in a crap call. Fortunately she'd heard me and a few others discuss this and read of it here and elsewhere. The Kiddie Control Occifer arrived with two deputies in tow. Sis laughed, closed the door in their face and called her lawyer.

Three times they tried and never made it into the house. Too lazy(knew better than to try?) to get a warrant. And as for me? If you've got a version of CPS with you you aren't coming in my house...even with a warrant. The author is right, there is a very deep line in the sand on this. Too bad some people will fixate on the potential actions of the Citizen instead of(in effort to ignore?) the actions of the State.

I guess I shoulda left'em with their torturing, raping, neglectful 'rents so this guy could feel warm and cozy.

Yes, centac, every time you disrupted someone's life you were correct and they, of course, were EVUL. The idea you only made things worse, assuming there was even something wrong, never crosses your mind and THAT is part of the problem.
 
Nice first post. It makes some valid arguments, though I tend to want to tune out when people substitute convincing prose and logical arguments with words like "doody","public mind control centers" and throw out a long, meandering rant.

The author is right, there is a very deep line in the sand on this. Too bad some people will fixate on the potential actions of the Citizen instead of(in effort to ignore?) the actions of the State.

There are plenty of pinheads and petty tyrants working for CPS, but how would you deal with people that abuse their children? I am not talking about people that yell at their kids or spank them, I am talking about abuse.
 
A point made...

Apparently the main focus of this article is being missed. That is the fact we are a nation of armed SLAVES. Maybe this guy has a beef about how different B Rats operate, and his point is that as good SLAVES we bow our knees, and hand over our kids to these tyrants. Sure, there are times when someone may need to have some sort of the PEOPLE'S intervention through a JURY TRIAL to take away their parental rights, but to designate the ability to somebody hired off the street or with some sort of degree is BULL. The guy who responded he was a CPS agent for years, was HIRED. What makes him so "qualified" to be able to come into situation after situation and KIDNAP children from their parents? This nation was predicated on LAW. We have degenerated to the flimsy will of MEN like this ex CPS agent.

I have read of and can't count how many times the "State" gains custody of children and with the "state" getting all kinds of REWARDS for doing so (ransom paid by taxpayers) it gives the agents of the state INCENTIVE TO KIDNAP children.

But getting back to the premise of the article...YOU are a SLAVE. I AM A SLAVE. When we begin to see the LIES we have been fed on the subject, maybe, just maybe we will be willing to throw off the chains of SLAVERY.

None are more hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free...

Oh and by the way, because of degenerate so called "Christianity" our nation is going down the toilet fast...
 
None are more hopelessly enslaved...

Gee, Old Dog, so you think you are free? That this is the "freeeeeeest" country on earth? Try leaving without permission. Try buying a gun without permission. Try adding a toilet in your house without permission. Try starting a business without permission. IF YOU HAVE TO ASK PERMISSION...you are a SLAVE to the whom you ask.

Do you ask? Or do you carry a concealed firearm without a permit?
Do you ask? Or do you drive an automobile without a license?
Do you ask? Or do you just waltz on by the TSA agents to get on an airplane to go about your business?

Believing you are free when you aren't is a load of crap, Old Dog. I bet you are part of the generation that helped keep my children free...Yeah sure...
 
Billy-

I will refer you to our code of conduct:
http://www.thehighroad.org/code-of-conduct.html

Specifically the following:
We have learned from bitter experience that discussions of abortion, religion and sexual orientation often degenerate into less-than-polite arguments or claims that "my God is better than your God". For this reason, we do not discuss such subjects on THR, and any threads dealing primarily with these subjects will be closed or deleted immediately.

If you want this thread to stay open, you will cease discussing religion.
 
While no thinking person can disagree that we do indeed have many, many problems requiring immediate resolution in this country, to put forth the effort that we live in a "slave state" is totally preposterous.

I have personal knowledge of just how screwed up some of our state, local and county agencies can be in their attempts to "protect" the children, and I will be the first to lament the fact that children can be removed from one's home without due process. Yet, to conclude because of this that we are not free is patently false.

If you want to believe that you are not free -- feel free! I myself, having seen firsthand what life is like in countries where people are not free, revel in my freedom.
 
The view held by those who interacted with CPS over groundless accusations:
Shooting CPS employees isn't usually the right thing to do. Sometimes they are in the right. When they are in the wrong, shooting would be too quick of a way out for them.

That said, the article is too much of a rant and not enough for a coherent prescription for action or even debate.

PS: Could we have a conversation without constant scatological references?
 
If you said you would rather live in nation one, then you have picked the ONCE FREE United States

For all of these contrivances are recent additions to the laws of our land.

When exactly did this tax free utopia exist in the US?

I seem to recall that the early colonists were forced to pay quite a bit in taxes to support their government and the church, had to obey laws to go to church, etc.
 
To say we are a 'nation of slaves' is hyperbole. Every civilization/society-especially one as complex and hi-tech as this one-requires a certain amount of cooperation among its members in order to function coherently. Without some form of 'rules of engagement' governing interaction there would be chaos.

That said, government IS becoming too big, too powerful, too intrusive, and has way too much of our money.
 
There is a bunch of due process when CPS intervenes. A caseworker cannot take custody without a court order. Furthermore, when custody is taken, there are regularly scheduled hearings to determine whether custody should be maintained. The burden is on CPS to prove that they need to keep custody.

A LEO (generally) can take custody w/o a court order if the child is at immediate risk. They then need to appear in court ASAP to articulate why they took custody.

Do people think that CPS and LE "enjoy" bogus complaints? They are easily recognized and a total waste of time and effort, but laws mandate that EVERY report be investigated. If we could pick and choose cases their is a definite risk of kids falling through the cracks, and that wont do. I filed charges against more than a few people when I could prove that they made false reports in bad faith, usually for interference or obstruction.
 
Gee, Old Dog, so you think you are free? That this is the "freeeeeeest" country on earth? Try leaving without permission. Try buying a gun without permission. Try adding a toilet in your house without permission. Try starting a business without permission. IF YOU HAVE TO ASK PERMISSION...you are a SLAVE to the whom you ask.
[Sigh] Why, yes, I do believe I'm free. And -- in my experience, this IS the most free country on earth. The fact that certain things in life here may be regulated does not prohibit us from doing these things. That is a key difference.

Oleg - my apologies for the initial scatological reference; that was kinda low.
 
Oh and by the way, because of degenerate so called "Christianity" our nation is going down the toilet fast..

This statement is absolute crap. It's the Christians who are raising the biggest stink against the Government's interference in a Parent's right to make decisions about how to raise thier children without interference.

It's the left-wing activists, and the gay-rights advocates, who shrilly and stridently insist that the Government indoctrinate school children with their perverse beliefs. They consistantly pressure the public schools for example, to expose children as young as 7-8 to graphic depictions of gay sex. It's all about tolerance you see.

And it's the Christian parents who have taken their children out of the public schools in droves, and who have funded lawsuits against cases of CPS abuse.

The Southern Baptist Convention recently came close to officially recommending that all parents should get their kids out of the public schools.

No, the accustaion that Christians are somehow associated with these types of governmental abuse turns the truth exactly on its head.
 
They are easily recognized and a total waste of time and effort, but laws mandate that EVERY report be investigated.
This was how it was it our case, which as I said was closed in 24 hrs.

I filed charges against more than a few people when I could prove that they made false reports in bad faith, usually for interference or obstruction.
Well, good for you! The problem we had is that we could not get the names of the people who made the false accusations (though we pretty well knew which group of people was involved) nor could we get the authorities to take action against them either. We went to the victims' advocate, the county attorney, etc all to no avail. Even though threats had been made to take our kids away extra-legally if CPS didn't do it. We actually ended up moving out of town to get away from the situation, as our kids were in unavoidable daily contact with some of the people involved.


Okay .... I suppose "1-800-revenge-on-your-neighbor" sounds better ... ;)
 
Luke,

<sigh> With one post you violated not one, but two specific requests of not one, but two of this forum's moderators (to wit, the request to not discuss religion and the request to abjure scatological references). We are guests here, all, let's act like it. Oh, and I happen to agree with you.

As to the subject, free or slave, I find I'm increasingly inclined to live by the motto: "'Tis better to ask forgiveness than permission." :evil:
 
Try buying a gun without permission.

Half the guns in my house weren't bought 'with permission'. Private sales, and all.

Do you ask? Or do you drive an automobile without a license?
My family has two sections of land down in south Texas, some more out in the Panhandle, some up in Oklahoma and some more in New Mexico. Unlicensed members of my family drive on these bits of property all the time. Private property.

Guess what? The vehicles they drive aren't registered, nor inspected, nor do they meet emission standards. Again, private property.

Or do you just waltz on by the TSA agents to get on an airplane to go about your business?

As a matter of fact, I do. We have several family friends who have private airplanes and licenses. The emphasis being on 'private'

Believing you are free when you aren't is a load of crap, Old Dog. I bet you are part of the generation that helped keep my children free...Yeah sure...

I suggest that you wipe the froth off your chin and calm down.

LawDog
 
Juicy

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Wow, what a country...free enough to discuss this weighty issue, as long as we do it "by the rules"... :scrutiny: :banghead:

Maybe this guy IS on to something here.

It amazes me that a majority of the posts dismissing the author focus NOT on the main topic (i.e. Slave vs. Free), but about the rules or civility or the freakin' Kidnappers! I love the way we can discuss anything in our free country...HA! We are at the mercy of the mods, both here on THR and in life out there...

I believe the Dems use this tactic very well...Attack the messaenger, IGNORE the message!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How sad.
 
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