Sling help please - Leather or Web

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So it looks like most people only discuss leather slings for competition and tactical use. Does anyone use a web type sling like like the super sling II for instance? Why is leather preferred over web?

For the record I read an article from Jim Owens about his method of using the leather sling (He has a funky but effective way of setting it up), but he does admit that there is 1 known long range competitor that uses a web sling and does really well. Otherwise everyone else who uses one does not. Does this not indicate the shooter and not the sling?

Thanks in advance
Lovesbeer99
 
my experience has been web slings tend to stretch during an event and need near constant adjustment. I was raised on the M1907 sling and have used them all my life. When properly attached to the rifle and properly used, I have never yet found any other type of sling that allows me to get on and stay on a gun as well.

With the unique exceptions of my Sig 556 and HK93, all my rifles have M1907 leather slings.

http://www.rollanet.org/~stacyw/us_1907_sling2.htm
 
gcrookston - thanks for the reply, but am I to understand that the web type slings stretch and the leather slings don't? I'd have thought it was the other way around. The web slings are like my seat belt in my car and I didn't know they could stretch.

Thanks for the link, it looks very helpful.
 
I have not used a leather sling.

My experience with the web slings is that they are easy to mount, adjust, use, learn with, and they are very cost effective at @$7 or so.

The web slings, either cotton or nylon, are very effective in using as a shooting sling, and will offer the best economy for those that are interested in that.

It would be very easy and inexpensive to get one, give it a try and when/if you decide that it won't work for you, you can get a leather one.

I suspect that you will find the USGI web sling to do everything that you want it to do for you.

Here is a link to help explain how to mount and use a web sling. http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/websling/webslinghelp.htm

Come on out to an Appleseed Shoot, we will give you some first hand instruction and experience in using the web sling. http://www.appleseedinfo.org
 
Leather is going to be more durable than webbing.

I also like the 1907 sling but it doesn't look right in all circumstances.

Wood stock=leather sling
Syn stock=web sling

Personally, I go for both function and looks. Any quality sling will last a long time.
 
I find my SuperSling (plain web, not with a big pad) to be an excellent shooting sling; it's really quick to adjust, and it's thick enough not to stretch noticeably. However, it's slick, so it's not too great for carry.
 
A sling is a sling. Leather feels good against the arm. Nylon/web is durable and less suseptable to dry rot
 
Nylon is far more popular for "tactical" applications.

What type of firearm do you have and what is it's purpose?
 
I can recall that our web slings were taken off and leather used for
yearly qualifications with the Garands. Not sure if there is an advantage
but the leather seems to feel better. Leather I believe has more streach,
and deterates faster than the cloth with oils and moisture. Personal
choice would determine which one. Not crazy about the nylon as slick-
ness seems to be present more so than the other two. Any is an im-
provent for me over none at all, especially for distance shooting:D
 
Thanks for all the responses. For those who asked what my purpose is -
I target shoot at various distances in multiple positions, prone, sitting, standing, and bench. I don't shoot in competition but I like to practice and improve my skills. My next step/experiment is to learn to use a sling. I have an AR, a few milsurp mausers, and some .22's. All my research indicates that the proper use of a sling really helps improve your shot and skills. Improper use can have the opposite affect.

1 interesting point one of the posters made regarding the basic web sling. I have a basic web sling that came with my AR, but I think it's a carry sling only. I don't think it was intended to use as a shooting device like the 1907 is. But if you know something I don't, and most people do, please feel free to spill the beans.

Thanks
Lovesbeer99
 
The BASIC Sling that came with your AR can be used as a hastey sling but not as a loop sling(not impossible but hard to do).
A USGI web sling made for an M1,M14 or early M16 is the way to go.
The cotton slings work great and last a long time unless you are in a jungle setting. Even then they have a good life span.
The nylon ones work great anywhere or anytime.
The 1907's are a great range sling but IMHO, the web slings are better for all uses.
The USMC uses the web sling in Marksmanship training as a loop sling for the KD Ranges but for later training, they use them as hastey slings as a loop sling requires too much time to get into.(REF. Marine Marksmanship Video)
 
Carry sling...

Best I've found for on-the-shoulder carry is the Quake "Claw" sling. This is a nylon web sling with a very "sticky" synthetic rubber piece moulded onto the nylon in the area where the sling goes over your shoulder.

Most slings will gradually work themselves off your shoulder if you carry a rifle just on one shoulder. The Quake Claw sticks to your jacket and does not oosh off your shoulder. So this is the sling of choice for my hunting rifles.

For range work nothing beats a leather 1907, IMHO.
 
Hasty sling is a method, not a device.

It is rather difficult to explain via a keyboard.

Any chance you are near Northern Kentucky or Southern Indiana? we can get together and I would be happy to show you, and get you going on putting accurate lead down range out to 500 yards, from field positions (no bench, no bipod).

It isn't that difficult, but next to impossible to explain via the web.
 
Having used great leather and USGI cotton during HP completions, I chose cotton.

It is infinitely adjustable (and very easy/fast to do); no stretch; stays put on the sleeve.

Dave
 
Funfaler - thanks but I live in NJ. I did google Hasty Sling and got a few good descriptions. I get the idea, I just need to practice.

Thanks to everyone else for the posts. I've decided to just try both. I'll start with the first available 1 I find, then buy the other 1 later.

Does anyone use the Super Sling II? How is this different than the M1 Garand web sling?
 
Sling primer

Ah, the sling. One of the most misunderstood pieces of weapons equipment. The real question relates to whether you're looking for a sling, or a carrying strap. Jeff Cooper was fond of making this distinction. And it's an important one. The question of leather or synthetic is largely asthetic. Pick a "look" you like, and go with it. I also like the wood/leather, synthetic/web division. But the real question is, what do you want to do with this weapon?
A properly utilised sling will allow you to steady the rifle by applying tension to the forearm, thus dampening out the vibrations up by the muzzle. It won't get rid of it entirely, but it will make the movement much smaller. As such, it is a very useful aid in range work. There are two major types of slinging method:
1. The hasty sling:
Illustration, and how to apply:
http://http://jeffersonian.name/sling.html (The step by step instruction is the only part we're concered with at the moment)
This is used as a quick method of gaining stability. The rifle is held by the dominant hand, sling hanging below. The weak arm is thrust through the gap between the rifle and the sling from weak side to strong side, bringing the sling strap high up on the shooter's tricep (back of the arm). The weak arm is then brought back towards the weak side, underneath the sling, bringing this second part of the sling tight on the inboard side of your weak arm. Grasp the forearm with your weak hand. If it doesn't feel tight, un-sling, and tighten as necessary. As one of my Drill Instructors eloquently put it: "If you're f***ing comfortable, then you ain't f***ing doing it right!" Tightened correctly, you should be getting only the first hints of pins and needles in your fingers. If your hand turns purple as soon as you sling the weapon, loosen it. If you've got three extra feet of sling dangling around, tighten.
Now, again, this is a HASTY sling. It's not perfect, but it's fast. A good compromise, it's what most folks who actually use a sling for a sling utilise when carrying a rifle, at least as far as my experience dictates. Once it is properly adjusted, you may use the sling to carry the rifle as well, over the shoulder. From this position, it should take no longer than 5 seconds to take the rifle from the carry position, orient towards the target, sling up, and get into a firing position. If, by chance, we've got the opportunity to engage in slower paced, more accurately aimed fire, then we'll want to use the second typed of sling:
2. The loop, or "deliberate", sling:
Illustration:
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/shooting_tips/sling_0612/ (We're concerned with the first line drawing in this instance.)
This is a steadier, albiet more time consuming, type of sling employment. Notice that there is a loop around the shooter's weak side arm. He is literally attached to the rifle at this point. While this is good from a shooting standpoint, it can be...inconvenient...in regards to the other environmental aspects that usually accompany firing a round. That is, it's easier to get shot this way.
The first eccentricity of a loop sling is that you must have a sling capable of forming a loop. I know this sounds simplistic, but please take this example as way of expanation. I could just tie a piece of seat belt to a weapon at the proper length and have it function as a passable hasty sling. It certainly wouldn't be pretty, but it would work. However, I could not make a loop sling out of it. Prime candidates for the loop sling are the US 1907 sling (perhaps the best the world has seen), and the USGI M14 sling, also known as the "green sling" for the green cotton canvas it is made from (Currently issued for the M16). I will cover these different models at a later juncture.
To utilise the loop sling, the rifle is taken from the carry position and cradled in the strong arm with the buttstock resting on the hip. The loop is formed, either, in the case of the US M1907 sling, by using the small loop at the back of the sling, or in the case of the USGI M14 sling, by taking the J-hook off the rear sling attachment and pulling out enough to make a loop about 6-8 inches in diameter, depending upon your flexibility. The sling is rotated a half turn to the weak side. The weak arm is thrust through the loop from the top to the bottom, or away from the body, dependent on the angle at which the shooter is holding the rifle. The loop is moved until it as high on the bicep as possible, then snugged down tightly. Your weak arm will protest this briefly, but will quickly numb. In similar fashion to a hasty sling, wrap the weak arm around the sling so the sling is on the inside of the weak arm. Again, in similar fashion to the hasty sling, tighten as necessary. Many shooters, after finding the optimum length for their shooting style, and often varying by formal shooting style, mark their slings so they can skip this last step and have it ready to go before they wrap up their arm. To un-sling, the steps are executed in reverse, with the additional step of trying to shake feeling back into the weak arm whilst swearing inserted wherever convenient.
A hybrid known as a "Ching Sling", popularized by Jeff Cooper, is similar to a hasty sling in its effect. I do not own one, nor have I used one with any regularity, so I will not presume to comment on its utility.
These slings are contrasted with simple carrying straps. A carrying strap is just what it sounds like. It's a strap or cord of various material that is attached to the rifle at some point (or multiple points), and is used merely to help carry the rifle, not to be used as a shooting aid. Most of the "tactical" slings are of this vein. These vary from a loop of 550 parachute cord on the rear sling attachment stuck on a carabiner on a flak jacket, to elaborate harness systems that use straps similar to a rucksack and a central attachment point to distribute the weight of a firearm more broadly so as to minimize shoulder fatigue. These "tactical" slings will hold the weapon in front of the body in various manifestations of the "alert" position, ready to fire at a moment's notice, as opposed to the carry positions on the shoulder. They can be quite convenient when in a gunfight or in the various situations that military personnel find themselves in. They may be kept in the front with positive control for a very alert stance. If the weapon is dropped, it remains in front of the shooter so that he may use his hands for various tasks while keeping the weapon readily accessible. If rotated to the rear, then it will be securely held while evacuating a casualty. About the only thing that slings are NO good for, is in the gunner's position in mounted operations. They get caught on everything, and the gunner never leaves the vehicle. Which would you rather have at your back? Another rifle, or a M240 with 400-600 rounds of ready 7.62mm? Other than that, keep the sling. As repeated constantly by the old sages, a rifle without a sling is like a handgun without a holster.
Here are some illustrations of the various sling types:
The classic: M1907
http://www.turnersling.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TS&Product_Code=NMSRS&Category_Code=NSRS
Also, a step by step illustration of how to wear the M1907:
http://www.turnersling.com/slinguse.htm
The USGI "green sling", suitable for use as a loop sling:
http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/images/SLI-012-L.jpg
The USGI "silent sling", not intended for use as a loop sling:
http://www.tapco.com/proddesc.aspx?Id=2795de2c-9739-4bc3-9ae6-7108f290a12b
Now for the mall ninjas, the 3-point sling:
http://www.spectergear.com/sop_sling.htm (Notice the clip on the front of the sling, near the front sight tower. Flip this, and the sling will lengthen quickly, allowing for weak side firing)
Second, gratuitous USMC shot. Not me, but illustrates how the tactical sling keeps the weapon ready. The Lt. here doesn't have a hand on the weapon, but it's ready to go:
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2007/01/mc.marinesurge070111/
The 1-point sling:
http://www.spectergear.com/mout_sling.htm (These are faster to use, and less complicated, but they aren't as secure when carried at the rear and bang around a lot on your leg when carrying a casualty or ammo cans.)
The harness design:
http://http://www.blackhawk.com/product1.asp?P=70DC00BK (These are tricky to use with a flack jacket and take a long time to put on.)
Finally, plain old USMC ingenuity:
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/album216/alh (Marine's on the right side. Notice he's got TWO slings. He's got the rear sling attachment corded onto the carabiner on his shoulder, then he's got the other sling on the weapon for when he's back on the firm base and has to keep his weapon with him at all times. Trust me, it gets old.)
I hope this has been informative, and will help guide in your choice.
 
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