Pistolay
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The hammer cocks an additional 1/16" when pulling the trigger on the LCP MAX or LCP II. This has come up before on other forums, and I've actually measured it.
Small 380 with Hammer, External Safety and works DA/SA?
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Which is like positive hammer/sear engagement on the single action hammer release as present in my SKS, CZ75, Beretta 81BB, CX4, etc. With the hammer cocked and when the trigger is pulled, the hammer cams back a bit before releasing.
"Positive Engagement - As the trigger is slowly pulled, the hammer moves rearward slowly before breaking and contacting the firing pin." - https://www.yooperj.com/SKS-25.htm
Due to that, I consider my LCP Max to effectively have a single action trigger (with a trigger dingus).
I understand you there. I do think that you could easily make the transition though. It is just a matter of sitting in front of the tv at night with an EMPTY gun, extending out to whatever you want to "shoot" on the screen, simultaneously thumbing the safety off and lining up your sights. after a week of that, start doing 2-3 minutes of dry fire draws (should be doing this with any carry gun) each morning or evening. Before you know it, you will have it down and be ready to work the SA gun into your live fire training. Might bring back the excitement and purpose in your carry training and you get a sweet, carry 380 into the deal.
The Browning 1911 380 has been calling me lately.
I like mine and it is my primary carry pistol. I got the "compact" version, which has a slightly shorter slide. In all, if a person likes the 1911, but wants something lighter, smaller, and easier shooting I recommend it. However, it is not as small as the various Mustang-based micro-380 pistols.
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The executive has been reborn kinda. My version is called the av8r named after my friend and customer who asked me to build him one for his ppk/s he's a pilot hence the av8r name.I missed one of the Japanese police guns back in the late 90's. They were asking $400 for it at the time, which was a bit salty, and I said Id think about it. When I looked into it when I got home, and realized what it was, I went right back, but it was already gone.
Two things that work great together, the P230 and the Galco "Executive" shoulder holster. Two bad both have been discontinued.
PWC
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Bersa Firestorm is pre-trigger lock. The Thunder has the lock last one I looked at years ago.
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Colt has dropped the Mustang and Pony. Springfield has dropped the 911. Sig only has one California compliant P238 on their website. Kimber still has a bunch of Micro 380s still listed on their website, but for how long. Looks like the micro 1911 in 380 acp is dying off. Too bad; out of all the ultra small 380s, I liked the 1911s the best. Maybe the Turkish manufacturers will start up. A Tisas 1911 380 at $250 would be nice.
kerreckt
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Astra A60 (if you can find one) or CZ83 both are fine pistols and both are double stack 12+1 capacity. I have a particular fondness for the A60. I carried one for over 15 years and never felt under gunned. Very accurate and easy to get back on target. Best wishes
From what I have read, the Baby Rock is a copy of the Llama IIIA. I have a Llama IIIA and it is a fine little pistol, it is not the same as the Star Model D and all copies of if it. The Llama IIA, Baby Rock, and Browning 380 all have grip safeties and look more like an actual 1911.
I didn't see the Girsan MC14T mentioned:
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Girsan MC 14T Tip-Up - EAA Corp.
The Girsan MC 14T Tip-Up pistol is the solution for everybody that has issues racking a slide. The easiest loading and unloading .380 ACP in the market.
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Was not aware of this. Thank you for pointing it out. My hands are getting arthritis pretty bad and it is getting painful to train with my EDC a 686 in .357. I had been thinking if I do carry a .380 as my EDC it would be the Browning black label , I love the size, may not be as compact as my 911 but I'm sure I can be more accurate with it than the 911.
No one has mentioned the gun I carry the most, not a DA/SA, but DAO that can be bought with or without a Safety.
DAO pull is about the same as, and as safe as, a revolver with twice as many rounds.
Mine is 9mm and about the same size as the 380.
So, a modern plastic gun without the weight at a very reasonable price, sold most places for $170, with 2 mags.
Here:
www.sportsmans.com
READ THE REVIEWS 
jmo,
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Mine is 9mm and about the same size as the 380.
So, a modern plastic gun without the weight at a very reasonable price, sold most places for $170, with 2 mags.
Here:
Search SCCY 380 | Sportsman's Warehouse
Search results for SCCY 380 on Sportsman's Warehouse
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SterlingBullet
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While the SCCY is a very affordable firearm, with a lifetime warranty that fully transfers to each successive owner, it does have some drawbacks in my opinion. The trigger pull might be the longest of any firearm in history. Recoil is quite snappy. The grip is fairly wide; users with smaller hands may experience trouble controlling the gun. At my store, we have sold many of them. We have run across one or two that were ammo-sensitive with hollow points. Only a couple of guns have had to be returned to the manufacturer. They are a popular first time carry gun due to the price point, lightweight and multiple color options and ambidextrous safety available. Their new model, the DVG, has a much improved trigger.No one has mentioned the gun I carry the most, not a DA/SA, but DAO that can be bought with or without a Safety.
DAO pull is about the same as, and as safe as, a revolver with twice as many rounds.
Mine is 9mm and about the same size as the 380.
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So, a modern plastic gun without the weight at a very reasonable price, sold most places for $170, with 2 mags.
Here:
READ THE REVIEWSSearch SCCY 380 | Sportsman's Warehouse
Search results for SCCY 380 on Sportsman's Warehouse
jmo,
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understood...
DVG is striker fired, SA trigger at 5.5 pounds, not what the OP is looking for.
The gen1 grip was made longer with that non-functioning cushion on the back which has been eliminated for a smaller grip on the current models.
And for the DAO SCCY's there's this:
Short Stroke Hammer and Hammer Spring for SCCY CPX-1 GEN 3 and CPX-2 GEN 3 Pistols
Options:
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SCCY CPX-1 / CPX-2 Trigger Spring Kit | SCCY CPX-3 / CPX-4 Trigger Spring Kit
Custom SCCY CPX-2 Trigger for Superior Performance! Custom SCCY CPX-2 Trigger Upgrade for a Lighter and Smoother SCCY CPX-2 Trigger Pull! Best way to improve SCCY CPX-2 Trigger Pull with Custom SCCY CPX-2 Trigger Spring Kit.
www.mcarbo.com
Besides all that, my SCCY is factory stock, and I have adapted to its unique trigger via dry fire/training/practice.
Something everyone should do with their carry gun.
jmo,
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doubleh
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Walther's PPK/s will do everything mentioned I believe. It is a very well made gun but I find everything about it hard. It is hard to rack the slide, hard to load the mags, double action trigger pull is very hard and single action ain't exactly light. it is a blow back design and felt recoil is considerable but my wife's has never malfunctioned. Younger and stronger might not consider it as difficult as I do though.
The Baby Rock is single action only. I found it to be a LITTLE easier than the PPK/s in everything except felt recoil. It never hiccuped but the web between thumb and finger of my hand really, really didn't like either of these guns.
The Baby Rock is single action only. I found it to be a LITTLE easier than the PPK/s in everything except felt recoil. It never hiccuped but the web between thumb and finger of my hand really, really didn't like either of these guns.
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Thank you for sharing the upgrades that can improve ownership of the SCCY.understood...
DVG is striker fired, SA trigger at 5.5 pounds, not what the OP is looking for.
The gen1 grip was made longer with that non-functioning cushion on the back which has been eliminated for a smaller grip on the current models.
And for the DAO SCCY's there's this:
For $50, it brings the cost up to $220, still a bargain.Short Stroke Hammer and Hammer Spring for SCCY CPX-1 GEN 3 and CPX-2 GEN 3 Pistols
Options:
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for $25SCCY CPX-1 / CPX-2 Trigger Spring Kit | SCCY CPX-3 / CPX-4 Trigger Spring Kit
Custom SCCY CPX-2 Trigger for Superior Performance! Custom SCCY CPX-2 Trigger Upgrade for a Lighter and Smoother SCCY CPX-2 Trigger Pull! Best way to improve SCCY CPX-2 Trigger Pull with Custom SCCY CPX-2 Trigger Spring Kit.
Besides all that, my SCCY is factory stock, and I have adapted to its unique trigger via dry fire/training/practice.
Something everyone should do with their carry gun.
jmo,
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Pistolay
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I had a SCCY CPX-3 .380 a few years ago, and I found it a very enjoyable gun for a while. I bought it because, at the time, it was the only 10+1 locked-breech .380 around. I liked the DAO trigger, and the gun was pretty accurate for me. I didn't care for some of the cost-cutting stuff like mags that seemed to attract rust and the glued-on front sight. After around 1600 rounds though, it started becoming less reliable, and when I called, I was told that several changes had been made since mine was built, so I sent it back and they replaced the slide, slide lock lever and trigger. After that, it ran OK for a few hundred rounds then started having problems again. When I called again and told the guy it had 2200 rounds through it, he reacted like Glock would if you told them your G19 had 100 thousand rounds. He sent me a new RSA, but the gun was never reliable enough for carry again and I got rid of it. I don't think SCCYs are intended to be shot much.
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