Smallest caliber you will carry

What is the smallest caliber you will carry?


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Kind of Blued said:
A small calliber does not always mean a small gun.

Kind of Blued said:
That being said, there are people that will carry something tiny and ineffective because it's what they have. That, of course, makes a great deal of sense. I just don't see a reason anybody would ever be so burdened that they have to carry anything less effective than a .380.

One good reason I've seen more than once is for EXTREMELY recoil sensitive shooters. They may not be common, but they do exist. I've met one person who is only comfortable with 22 because of severe arthritis. I've seen another that flinched with anything smaller/lighter/more powerful than a steel 22 revolver. One of those two (can't remember which) described the recoil of an all-steel S&W 9 mm semi auto as being "severe".

In response to quote #2, 1st sentence, that certainly is a valid reason. My father-in-law is looking to getting his first gun for home protection, and he has a VERY tight budget right now (he's been hit back-to-back with several unexpected expenses). So for now, the best he can do is a rough/ugly but functional H&R single shot 20 gauge.

But as I told him, with a some practice one can become deadly proficient with such a weapon.

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BTW, my minimum caliber would be a 22LR, (not a.17 HMR) simply because of ammo cost. But I shoot more potent platforms just as well, so I carry 38 Spl and 45 ACP and feel fine with either.
 
Or why would one carry a 5.9oz NAA when one could carry a 6.3oz P3-AT? I mean, you can conceal it in swimming trunks... I just don't see a situation where you just "can't get away with that extra four tenths of an ounce".

Maybe they live in CA and cannot easily get a P3-AT (since it isn't a CA-approved firearm).

There's an old saying that there's a time and a place for everything. That applies to guns too. These little mouseguns wouldn't exist if there wasn't a time and place for them.
 
Well the 22lr has probably killed more people and critters than the next 5 combined, so it works even if it is small.
 
Maybe they live in CA and cannot easily get a P3-AT (since it isn't a CA-approved firearm).
Yes. Unless through intergamily transfer or LEO sale the average Californian can not have one. If I cluld I would.

Thanks B yond, for the Acknowledgement that we can not get some firearms...easily ast least.

I think that would be a good challenge based on Heller. I wish I could find a FFL that would sell and attempt to DROS a PAT-3
 
Well the 22lr has probably killed more people and critters than the next 5 combined, so it works even if it is small.
Probably, but there is a difference between "kill" and "stop". I want my attacker to be stopped.
 
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6_gunner writes:

"Anything's better than nothing.

"If I had a .22 NAA Mini revolver, it would probably find its way into one of my pockets pretty frequently. I carry a .25 fairly regularly, because its the only really easily concealable gun that I have. If I had a J-frame .38, it would probably replace the .25 in most situations, but I don't feel naked carrying the little automatic.

"A mouse gun is still more effective than harsh language or bare knuckles."


I reply:

I disagree: While you are standing there flat-footed with your right hand behind your back trying to fish that little gun out of your hip pocket, I can break a rib with a left hook. Your ribs are, after all, completely exposed in this pose.

You would have been better off boxing with me.

I have actually won quite a few fights like this - not in spite of the fact that my opponent had a gun, but because he did. He was bigger than me; he might have won a boxing match. But he was so focused on his gun that he neglected even to take a proper stance or protect his ribs in any way.

Trust me on this: If you are talking to me and reach behind your back for any reason, I'm going to hit you in the ribs before you can count to one. If it turns out that you were just scratching your ass, well, that's too bad.

Most of the weapons being discussed in this thread are intended for assassinations where one already has the weapon palmed and just sneaks up on one's intended victim and shoots him in the back of the neck. If I knew someone brought a .25 to a meeting with me, I would jump him - no questions asked, no warning. If he has a .45, I would just go through with the meeting - no worries.
 
Usually I carry my Kel-tec P11 (9mm), but in a pinch I always have my North American Arms mini revolver which is .22 LR. It unnoticeably fits in my front pocket and is smaller than my wallet.
 
You forgot .380 (9mm Kurz/Short). Along with .38 Sp, is probably recognized by most professionals as the smallest caliber that one should use for defensive purposes.
 
I voted the .22 RF as question was what's the smallest I WOULD carry. The smallest I DO carry is a .38 special snubby.
 
.38 or .380, so I guess .380 but did you mean as a primary carry or a backup to my backup. In the bug for my bug I used to carry a .22 auto deep concealed.
 
if I could get one, I would carry this:

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In case I get attacked by a cockroach. :)
 
This is a true story.

This is a true story. It occurred in the late 1930's and was witnessed by my father, who was about six years old at the time. He lived in a small ranching community in southern Colorado.

Two men came to town to fight. (I don't know why.) They walked down the center of the main street from opposite ends of town. Unlike in the movies, there was no slapping of leather. Each man had drawn his pistol in advance and was carrying it in his hand. Also unlike in the movies, there was no discussion or ultimatums given. They just commenced to fire on each other as soon as they were within range, which was probably about 20 to 30 yards.

One man was armed with a Colt 1911, which was considered an exotic military weapon in those days. The other man was armed with a .22RF revolver, which was a typical sidearm among ranchers.

The man with the Colt was a lousy shot. He held his weapon in one hand and fired it as fast as he could pull the trigger, missing completely - not even close. The man with the .22 was a marksman. He stood with his feet perpendicular to his opponent, extended his right arm straight out and carefully and repeatedly shot his opponent in the chest.

The man with the Colt fell flat on his back and lay there gasping for breath. His muscles twitched and he drummed the heels of his boots on the ground. Apparently drawn by curiousity, the man with the .22 walked over and peered down at the man he had just shot. Not yet dead, the man on the ground raised his Colt and shot his opponent squarely in the chest, killing him instantly.

At this point the townsfolk, who had been standing on the sidewalk watching, came forward and attempted to perform first-aid on the man with the Colt - the other man was quite dead. My father stood in the background and watched. He thought, "That man is choking. They should roll him over so he can spit." Unfortunately, being only six years old, he did not speak up to tell the grown-ups how to perform first-aid.

They pulled the wounded man's shirt off and bandaged his wounds. That was stupid. It should have been clear that his problem was not the holes in his skin, which were barely bleeding. His problem was the bullets lodged in his lungs, six inches below the bandages that they were applying.

If they had rolled him over and cleared his airway, he might have lived. None of his wounds were grevious. In another ten minutes they would have stopped bleeding on their own. But the man did not live another ten minutes. Lying flat on his back, he drowned in the blood that was pooling in his lungs.

So there you have it: A real-life encounter between a man with a .45 and one with a .22 pistol. You can decide for yourselves which one was better armed. And, if you learn anything from this story, never stand over someone that you have shot. He might not be dead yet.
 
I sometimes carry a .22 revolver out in the woods, for squirrels - so that's what I voted. But if you meant for self-defense only, it's .380 acp. I used to carry a .32, but no need for that since a .380 now can be had just as small.
 
I would have to to say...

the .380, should be a minimum and sometimes it is quite simply all that I can carry, due to what I am wearing. I do not think I would be comfortable with anything less (heck I keep finding myself wishing the .380 was something more). I know .22's have been are are carried and have even used effectively by many, I just don't think I would be willing to carry one.
 
I'll say 32/380 ACP I prefer to lump these two cartridges together as all my researching indicates there is little very little performance difference between he two. In some respects 32 is better and in others 380 has advantages.

32 will typically penetrate better and offers more shootability and capacity in the same platform

380 will make a SLIGHTLY larger wound channel and ammo variety is better, the rimless case doesn't hurt.

Niether cartridge offers reliable performance with anything other than FMJ there's simply not enough energy present <velocity> to make FP's work properly. With these two rounds hollow points either don't expand at all, or if they do manage to expand penetration is completely insufficient
 
I don't have the gun to carry anything smaller than 9mm or .38spl.

If any of the ammo makers would invent the .100 rimfire, I'll sign up.;):D:neener:;)
 
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