Smash and Grab gun store robbery....

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Smart gun shop owners install thick stanchions made of either metal or concrete, in the pavement outside windows and doors.
 
Smart gun shop owners install thick stanchions made of either metal or concrete, in the pavement outside windows and doors.
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You can't always do that, some owners will not allow it/ its not allowed by code.
 
Then you install them on the inside wall/window if it is a code issue. You get the crash, but no penetration. If the owner won't allow it and code doesn't allow it, then you don't put in a business there or then you just expect this to happen.
 
Yes, it is that simple.

If they can't go outside because of code, they go inside. IF we're talking about a SMART gun shop owner.

I believe city government and law enforcement virtually everywhere in the country would give their full approval for this common sense safety measure.

All the gun shops in my area have them outside, including those in strip malls.
 
You clearly have never delt with ADA, local fire codes and any local building department.
 
Cheap security and laziness.

Why are the guns not secure in a safe or vault at night?


Even a cabling the rifles would have stopped much of this.
 
You could have inch thick iron bars on the windows, 6' concrete walls, and round the clock machinegun toting guards, but anyone determined enough can defeat it.

None of the six or so gunshops/pawnshops in my hometown have barriers in front of the doors or windows, yet no one has crashed the building. Not having barriers doesn't make them any less security consious than you for not having barriers around your house.

You don't blame the victim of a burglarly or robbery because don't have more security than the White House.
 
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You clearly have never delt with ADA, local fire codes and any local building department.
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Every gun shop in my city has either concrete or metal stanchions outside their windows and doors. Apparently they've had much better luck dealing with ADA etc. than you have. :rolleyes:
 
Defensory I don't think you know anything about how ADA laws work.

Also just because some one else has something does not mean its legal/ legal for you. Trust me when I say this, if I was less honest, I could do nothing but file ADA lawsuits and make a killing doing it( infact I know more then one lawyer that does just that), but I also have to be able to look in the mirror.
 
Go ahead and keep arguing, TAB. You prove nothing but your own lack of knowledge.

Stanchions are COMMON at gun shops in all fifty states. Most cities are HAPPY to allow them to place stanchions in front of their shops, because it stops break-ins like this.

So just keep ranting about ADA, codes---yada yada yada. :barf:

I'd be willing to bet that if somebody contacted the city where this happened, there would have been NO legal problem with the owner installing stanchions.
 
The gunshop here has some massive railroad ties (they seem to be about twice as large as a normal railroad tie) secured to some very thick concrete posts and about 2 or 3 feet off the ground to keep out that kind of attack. You might be able to penetrate them with a bus or perhaps a semi, but they'd probably stop anything else.
 
too bad ADA is federal. I don't care what your local building department wants, if it does not comply your skrewed.

Google drive by lawsuit.

it will explain every thing.
 
You clearly have never delt with ADA, local fire codes and any local building department.
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Well TAB, we retrofitted several buildings with them and had no problems with ADA access or code issues. ADA compliance was actually pretty easy.

We did have a narrow sidewalk issue and we simply installed the stanchions on the interior of the building along exterior walls and windows.

If said security measures are so much in conflict with ADA as you are suggesting, then please cite the passages of ADA proclaiming such.
 
Don Davis is supposedly a former Union enforcer. The guy is a sleaze, pure and simple. Many people will yell at me about this, but its true. He has his store on 38th and Lafeyette here in Indy, which is THE spot for crime in Indy. He also sells his "discount" guns for extremely high prices. For example: A used Glock with Fobus holster and 1 hour range time is $1000 (not to mention 30 dollar Amerc ammo). Supposedly that is his "new" price on a Glock, but everyone always ends up with a used one due to lack of knowledge. He tends to hire shady people that will sell without background checks but doesnt do it personally to remove culpability. He also is on many people's crap list due to his overpricing strategies, so he is literally always argueing with someone in his store.

He is in the top 3 of guns sold/used in crimes in the nation, a stat I WILL trust the Brady Campaign with. In general, he is a scum bag. He showed a pic of "guns damaged" in the robbery, all of which were very old pawnshop specials. 5000 guns in one store? HIGHLY DOUBT IT! The store is no bigger than a small 7-11 and filled w/an unsafe indoor range and junk. Overall, this guy is a sleaze who seriously touts the second amendment, but is shadier than Al Capone himself. This is a man to watch out for. People "love" his commercials, but I dont even go that far. This guy theorectically represents guns in Indy. Scary thought. Put this guy on your watch lists and hope he goes away soon!
 
Defensory, if stanchions are common at gunshops in all fifty states, then why don't I see any around here? Heck, three gunshops here have cinderblock walls, even with stanchions the thieves could just go through a wall just as easily.

Do you want the .gov to mandate building requirements for gunshops now? I'm sure that would take care of smash and grabs, expecially after half of the gunshops are put out of buisness for not meeting every imaginable security feature.
 
I am a planner by trade (As in I have the job that makes people love me, as I tell them what they can and cannot do with there land :what: (only been called a communist, three times) and I no not know of ANY planning department or building code that would not allow bars across windows of a gun shop. They MIGHT have to do internal bars, but that would be about it. The ADA has nothing to do with bars across windows, it would require a ramp to access the store. The only issue that really comes up is some jurisdictions have questions on the "at home" FFLs and questions on the Byzantine ATF regulations...
 
For the folks arguing about security and such.

If it's like the localities in Northern VA, there are so many local zoning hurdles to clear, it's not even funny simply because the majority of the elected officials around here are Anti-gun. Property owners out here can be just as finicky. Some don't want any changes to the exterior, some won't allow it. Shoot, just FINDING a location that will accept a gun store is a major challenge in this area.

Lesson learned, don't poo poo someone for being cheap without at least knowing what the political situation is on the ground.
 
they hit Don's guns, that is one creepy dude! I'm not sure he was totally legit either.
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WOW! That guy is like a gun-toting cross between Colonel Sanders and Reverend Henry Kane, the creepy old preacher from Poltergeist II.
 
Defensory, if stanchions are common at gunshops in all fifty states, then why don't I see any around here?
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Not to go too much aside, but I second this. I've never seen one at a gun store in NC, but I've only knowingly seen 8-10 in the state.


The men drove a stolen Mitsubishi into the Don's Guns store on Lafayette Road.
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Goes to show - criminals will do anything to get their way, regardless of laws.
 
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