SMG 9mm for use in 9mm pistols?

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I believe that the ammo used in 9mm SMGs is hotter (like +P+ or something).

Is it safe to use in modern 9mm pistols such as the Beretta 92FS, CZ P01 and CZ75?
 
I wouldn't do that unless it was an emergency. If you shoot smg ammo through your pistols you're going to make problems, stuff like cracked slides and frames are some things to expect if you do it long term.
 
From what I've read on this site and others, it's risky at best; dangerous at worst. The pressures may be in the range of factory +P+ (which isn't a set specification btw), or it may be significantly higher.
 
I think it was a bigger concern with earlier generations of pistols that were not set up to handle +P loads, but even then it appears that it was generally safe in reasonable doses. The evolution of the BHP into the Mk II and Mk III versions, for instance, was apparently driven at least in part by the fact that the SAS were cracking slides shooting lots of 9x19 ammo loaded for SMGs through their WW2-vintage Inglis HPs. The guns were failing after prolonged and heavy flat range and shoot house work, not after one or two rounds fired off the first magazine loaded with SMG ammo.

That said, like an earlier poster noted, my understanding on the matter is that "SMG ammo" can describe a whole range of pressure levels, etc., depending on the nation in question and probably the time frame when the ammo was loaded as well.

Because of this, I would avoid using such ammunition except in an emergency unless you know hard numbers on the loading to avoid any potentially unpleasant discoveries. Probably not an issue, but it might be, and having your front teeth knocked out by a slide or something would be a rather unpleasant way to learn about quality control in ammo or handgun manufacture.
 
I ran Hertenberger +P+ 9mm (500+ rounds of it) through my USP without a hiccup. The stuff turned the full-sized USP into a little rocket gun, so to speak. The USP is rated for it, though. I don't know about many other pistols. I imagine Glocks wouldn't have an issue with the +P+ either.


Just my 2 cent,
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My HK P7 manual says don't use SMG 9mm. I believe them. HK USP manual says "all USP pistols are approved for use with +P and +P+ ammo. The use of +P ammo accellerates wear and reduces the service life...
 
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Glock, Have at it
USP, Have at it
CZ75B, Should be fine
Beretta 92, Wouldn't do it
SIG, Wouldn't do it.
BHP, Wouldn't do it.

If you're asking because of the Israeli stuff floating around right now, it is extremely corrosive and has very hard primers. It isn't that much cheaper than regular 9mm to bother with though.
 
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SWD M11/9mm SMG upper receiver. Result of about 2000 rounds of Spanish 9mm SMG ammo. Cracked the tube at the ejection port and along the folds in a couple of places.

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Same gun, new upper after another 18+ years and at least 20000+ rounds of standard and NATO spec ammo through it.
 
Inglis High Power pistols made for the Commonwealth are an example of an early automatic pistol that was specifically designed to function with general issue ammunition including the hot 9mm British stuff designed for the Sterling and Lancaster subguns.
But remember the pistol also had a 3000 round service life too,,,,,
 
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