Smith and Wesson Magazine Disconnect...

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Mods, move this to Handguns - Semi Auto if you think it better fits there...

My friend would like written instructions on disabling the Mag Disconnect feature on his Smith & Wesson Semi-auto's...

I can DO it, but am not much of a writer, and he wants instructions so he can do it himself... (He doesn't want me to talk him throug it, he wants something on paper...)

Does anyone have a set of written instructions for doing this? thanks muchly in advance!
 
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Well depending on the weapon model , it can be really simple (as in the M&P 40 , I removed it in 3 minutes using a small punch only at this very computer desk) or a real PITA as in my 469 . So if you'll post the model/models I could point you to the proper links .
 
I don't mind the disconnect and in some ways I like it! Mine (6946) is a carry gun so I don't modify it period. :cool:
 
Mortech

What makes the 469 a PITA. I'm not planning on disabling mine but I also have a 4006 and was curious if it is the same mechanism, and also a PITA

Thanks in advance
 
Just an FYI you may have thought of but worth considering....

If the weapon is used in a defensive situation disabling a "safety feature" like a magazine disconnect is usually not a good idea in a court room situation and may lead to unintended legal consequences.

I would opt for a getting a different pistol that came from the factory without this feature...

YMMV...
 
not sure if this will help but you can buy a book(s) on the disassembly of firearms
Gun Digest Book of Firearms Assembly/Disassembly
Part I: Automatic Pistols

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/prod...uct_id=672383&sourceid=0100000030660805302498

I have the lawenforcement firearms version of this series. Not sure where it is now after all these years and several moves later. That version in the book series includes the smith and wesson 459 9mm
 
He hasa 5904, a 411 (MIGHT be a 410) and a 4505 (blued steel version of the 4506)

as for using them defensively, MINE are all fixed (disconnect disabled) and I don't rightly care about that, I want mine to go bang, ANY time I pull the trigger, even with only one in the pipe, and NO magazine...
 
I would not disable the disconnect!
As one poster said...if you use the gun for self defense, the DA will use it against you.
Also, no doubt any tapering with a safety device would void any warranty.

I don't own any semi-autos with a magazine disconnect. I don't like 'em. I'd sell the pistol and buy another brand (Glock, for example).
 
Thanks for the "get a glock" answer, but sorry, I (and my friend) have better taste than to buy a plastic 2x4 with no REAL safeties... (AKA "combat tupperware")

the "gas pedal built into the brake pedal" "safety" on a Glock scares us... that AIN'T a safety!

as for deactivating the mag safety - that ISN'T what I asked about... and WE DON'T care... it is not any different than adding a contoured grip panel or a set of adjustable or night sights... it is a modification made to make the gun more shootsable (to us)...
 
What makes it a PITA is that in the 469 , the disconnect seems to be part of the extractor assembly from what I can tell , I have to intention of tweaking it so I never got too interested in looking into doing it . Ohh BTW on Smith-Wesson forum they tend not to support passing such info around about this subject so if you post over there don't be surprised if your post disappears .
 
If the weapon is used in a defensive situation disabling a "safety feature" like a magazine disconnect is usually not a good idea in a court room situation and may lead to unintended legal consequences.
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:barf: comon honestly why does this keep coming up has the yankee/dem court system gotten that bad or is it just paranoia. There has never been any effect on any self defense shooting cases that I have ever seen or heard of regarding the modification to a firearm unless said modification makes it illegal to that states statues, such as sawing a shotgun or installing an auto sear into an AR. But its another story if your walking into a 711 to rob it you deserve all the trumped up charges they throw at you, which is the only time they would srcutinize your style of firearm.
 
Again, it DOES NOT make the pistol "more dangerous", it only allows me to use the gun should the magazine fail, fall, or foul itself...

kind of a "safety feature" if you get my drift... you know... as in "it'll go bang as long as the chamber's loaded, and the safety is "off"

again, MY smitty autos are all disconnector-disabled... and that is more than a few... (5904, 5906, 4006, 410, 4013, 4505, & 4506)

IF I have to use one of these for defense, then my problems are alot bigger than what the attorneys have to say about the disabling of a Mag-disconnector...

and to be honest, how much different is it to remove the "mag disconnect" than it is to install a CTC lasergrip and a "Clipdraw" on my Smith 637 J-frame? both modifications designed to make the gun easier to use for defensive purposes...

all that aside, he WANTS "written instructions, with pics or diagrams" for removal... if need be, I'll call upon my draftsmans/engineering background and use Autocad to draw up a diagram for him...

I also don't think it'll void any warranties, since (if you knew how easy it is to put back) you would kn ow that in about 2 min's time (LITERALLY 2 minutes!) the Mag-disconnect can be replaced and functional again!

also, I'll take my legal advice from my team of lawyers, regarding altering my guns, as they are versed in legal matters, which I doubt any of you saying "oh, don't, you'll lose your a** in court" are!
 
OK, I'll bite just one more time and then thats it.

The biggest potential problem you face when you disable any safety device on a firearm is if you shoot someone, and if you end up in court, either criminal or civil, and if you have a trial by jury, you are the victim of the jury's perception of reality.

A good attorney could spin the disabled safety either way convincingly...

"My client, a trained CCW holder, understands you may need to change ammuntion magazines in a deadly force scenario while still depending on the weapon for protection from the imminent threat of death"

or

"The defendant, thru his own admission is a gun fanatic, knowingly removed safties designed into the weapon to make it a more efficient killing machine."

You are right, disabling the magazine disconnect does not make the gun any less safe, but you may not be one of the 12 making that decision. Perception can and sadly often does equal reality.

This is something to consider and it appears that you have already done so, so nothing further to be said on this topic.

My comment and that of others is just a precaution, because we mean well towards you and your friend. I don't know whether you've actually been involved in any legal business, but it can really ruin your life, even if you come out the winner.

You are free to disregard this friendly advice, no harm done.

Please don't shoot the messengers.
 
My mother is an attorney, 17 years of prosecutorial experience, and 12 of criminal/civil experience

My sister is an attorney, 6 years civil/criminal experience, and a law professor/law school administrator at a pretty prestegious lawschool...

believe me, these two can put a positive legal spin on almost anything... (y'all oughtta see my mom in a courtroom, especially when she was a prosecutor! - WOW!)
 
Never Happened.

Not one case. Not one single piece of case law involves a legal shoot where a modification to the weapon was used to prosecute. Never.
Drift the rear sight out, left to right. Remove spring and plunger. Replace sight.
Easy.
This is like saying that removing your airbag makes it more likely to run someone over. (I removed my airbag in my VW. Haven't hit anything yet)
 
What makes it a PITA is that in the 469 , the disconnect seems to be part of the extractor assembly from what I can tell , I have to intention of tweaking it so I never got too interested in looking into doing it . Ohh BTW on Smith-Wesson forum they tend not to support passing such info around about this subject so if you post over there don't be surprised if your post disappears .
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I don't mind the mag disconnect but just for the hell of it,disabled it on my own 469.Not difficult at all and it really made a BIG improvement in the trigger,far greater than I would have expected.
 
Steveracer

Thanks. I'm not planning on doing it. After 20+ years of carrying and shooting it I'm kinda used to the way it is.

And I am glad you haven't hit anything since you disabled your airbag!!!
 
it's a racecar.

Steveracer isn't just a fun name.
The car is street legal and passes inspection, but the new wheel doesn't allow for an airbag.
Smith 1076 with Mag safety removed was one of my favorites. I got out of 10mm due to cost, but that's the one I miss.
 
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