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Smugglers abandon 700 lbs. of marijuana after shootout with Border Patrol

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  1. Desertdog

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    Smugglers abandon 700 lbs. of marijuana after shootout with Border Patrol
    http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=5037891

    Border Agents are dealing with the aftermath of a dangerous security breach.

    Wednesday night, in the Tucson Sector six miles southeast of Nogales, a half mile north of the border, a Mercedes Benz SUV was caught crossing the line on a rural, dirt road.

    Six Border Patrol agents moved in to stop it, and that's when the gunfire rang out.

    Border Patrol agents stood guard as the Critical Incidents Investigation Team took a close look at the crime scene.

    A Border Patrol helicopter flew overhead, also protecting the agents below.

    Marked tennis balls showed the bullet casings left behind.

    The FBI says more than four people began shooting at Border Patrol agents Wednesday night.

    They came under fire when they saw a Mercedes SUV coming into the country. This is an area heavily traveled by drug smugglers.

    Border Patrol spokesman Sean King says, "The lead vehicle that was behind the SUV was struck twice, once in the windshield and once in the radiator. Agents then returned fire, and a numer of suspects left the vehicle and headed towards Mexico."

    Vehicle barricades are currently what Border Patrol agents are constructing.

    The shooting took place less than a 100 yards from here. The Mercedes SUV came through the road behind me where the vehicle barricades hadn't been built yet.

    Agent King says, "We're placing vehicle barricades as quickly as we can."

    So the drug smugglers got away, but they left behind more than 700 pounds of marijuana valued at over half a million dollars.

    So far this year, there have been more than 100 assaults against Border Patrol agents, making this a very dangerous job.
     
  2. Biker

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    Not a bad haul, but some enemy body count would have been nice. Nah, this isn't a war, an invasion.

    Biker
     
  3. PinnedAndRecessed

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    It would be apropos to deploy one of these bad boys to the scene.

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  4. longeyes

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    I think Bush needs to stop this **** or resign. Let's cut to the chase.
     
  5. ArmedBear

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    From Mexico? Bull.:p
     
  6. GTSteve03

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    It's a form of misinformation perpetuated by the DEA to make it seem like they collected more drugs than they really did. Helps them pad their budgets for all the nice tacti-cool SWAT gear.

    No dealer in his right mind buys bulk marijuana at street-level prices, and the distributors know this. The middlemen all buy/sell at wholesale prices and only a small amount actually gets sold at the highest price.
     
  7. wingnutx

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    Yeah, it's not like they smuggled it from Humbolt County.

    I concur on the AC-130.

    Or give BP agents an AT-4 to carry.
     
  8. Sindawe

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    Hey, the Mexican pot farmers and smugglers are just doing the jobs that Americans refuse to do. :neener:

    Or are not permited to do. :banghead:
    Same here.
     
  9. Old Fuff

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    I don't know about the AC-130, but we do have some Warthogs playing tag around here .... :evil:
     
  10. Standing Wolf

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    I have no idea why we fight the famous War on Drugs harder than we fight to defend our own nation.
     
  11. hoji

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    Half a mil for Mexican weed?:what: BS
     
  12. Dravur

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    So....

    by Longeyes argument, the whole of the senate and the house should also resign...Bill Clinton should retroactively resign. And any government agency head should resign. In fact, everyone should resign.

    Get over it.

    I am of the opinion that we should mine the border and put up hundreds of miles of concertina wire with attached wolverines, but that is unrealistic. At least the Wolverines are. For all his faults, GW has done more than Bill Clinton... Is it enough? nope, but its a start. Maybe as the tide turns against illegals, more will be done. We have to start somewhere.

    Also, by the logic of only a small amount gets sold at the highest price....Do the middlemen smoke 695 lbs of it and only 5 lbs makes it to the street? I think I saw this on AMWAY once. so what if it isn't worth half a mil, it's still 700 lbs and thats a good start.
     
  13. Biker

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    Do a bit of checking and you'll find that Clinton prosecuted more employers for hiring illegals than Bush has.
    And by the way, why did Bush wait 5 years to make a showing? Did Clinton offer up amnesty for 20 million illegals?
    Your bias is showing.;)

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  14. kjeff50cal

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    Could not they go to Home De-pot to get their drugs :p

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/14/home.depot.drugs/index.html

     
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    and....

    your bias NEVER shows....

    but yes, when something happens, like a kitten gets stuck up a tree, my first thought is not, IT'S BUSH's FAULT! I tend to look at the facts.... In this case, they busted 700 lbs of pot. Great. Good start. It wasn't an offer for the population to come out and slam Bush. So many of these threads get started talking about a problem and no matter what it is, the Bush bashers have to hijack the thread to make some illogical point.

    You say that Clinton prosecuted more employers.... Wow, love to see the evidence to that.

    Why did Bush wait 5 years? Maybe the same reason Clinton waited 8 and still did nothing about it.... It wasn't on the public radar. Now it is. Now it is a political hot potato. As issues come forth and decline, they gain importance. Clinton did little about it. Bush has not done enough, but hopefully that will change. But it is a start.
     
  16. Byron Quick

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    700 pounds is a good start? Is this stand up comedy or what?

    My former next door neighbor, Harry Coursey, was undercover for the GBI down on the coast. Infiltrated a smuggler operation. Was put in charge of landing zone security:D 75 ton bust. There was not a day when marijuana was not available in the weeks after this bust. The price wobbled not a dollar up or down.

    Economics 101 will inform you that taking 75 tons away from the supply was not enough constriction of the supply to affect the price.

    If your efforts at prohibition are not even affecting the free market price, guess what? The decades wasted, billions of dollars spent, and the steady erosion of the rights of every US citizen in that 'war' have not added up to a 'good start.'

    Sounds as if the Border Patrol needs some crew served weapons though.

    Note: Harry retired several years ago as the acting director of the GBI. I'm not outing an active undercover officer or anything. Not even giving him unwanted publicity. He had a website on his ministry and motorcycling a while back.
     
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    I'm constantly amazed when I see the "street price" of the amount of drugs busted in all of these raids. Does the .gov not realize what percentage of that cut they could be making if they'd just make marijuana legal? I mean, 5% of half a million dinero from one bust isn't chump change, is it? Think about the massive amount of goods moving around.
     
  18. Destructo6

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    The pot isn't worth a lot south of the border. As it gets further north, it gains value. They apparently valued it enough this time to attempt murder and bring down some significant heat.

    The size of the seizure isn't remarkable here. What's remarkable is what they were willing to do to protect a measely 600lbs, assuming that was their goal.
     
  19. Oleg Volk

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    (edited upon more careful reading)
     
  20. Creeping Incrementalism

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    It's wrong for the Border Patrol to shoot back when they pull over a random vehicle and start getting shot at?

    Art maybe you should lock this thread, I think it is degenerating into trash-talking about police.
     
  21. strambo

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    I don't think they were shooting to protect the measley 700lbs of pot so much as they were breaking contact. Lay down fire to temporarily fix/suppress the enemy (BP agents) and do your best 800m sprint across the border. Doubly smart if they were aiming for the radiator.

    The National Guard would be handy in these situations if nearby, especially infantry guys. We'd approach it as a military problem once the bullets fly...BP guys probably have a hard time switching out of police mode.
     
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    Umm, maybe I missed something, but I don't see how getting shot at by armed foreign invaders and returning fire constitutes attempted murder on the part of the BP agents. Furthermore, the "War On Drugs" is completely irrelevant in this (any border) case. It doesn't matter what or why the armed illegal invaders came over or why they started shooting. What matters is we need to secure our borders....period!

    So we legalize drugs and drug smuggling drops off to nil...so what, we still have to secure the borders. With the attention no longer on the border due to the legalization, BP funding would go down and it might get easier for other nasty folks to come over...not that it's hard now.

    Point is, the why's of the illegals (criminal ones..beyond just their status) doesn't matter, we need a secure border. The why's of the migrant workers who do not cross to commit criminal acts should be considered and addressed...but not at the expense of security either. Or at the expense of the American taxpayer...FYI they can now qualify for Social Security...and their extended families...and receive payment anywhere in the world. Nice.
     
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    its common practice to state the value of a drug bust based on street price, NOT on 'wholesale' price.

    and Oleg, I think you are way out of line with your post.
     
  24. Lurikeen pew pew

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    We need a border fence with auto-laser turrets and missles.

    o ya and legalize it already. :D
     
  25. Destructo6

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    It's not hard at all, especially when dealing with a "drive through." Many of the BP agents go out to the field with an M4 or shotgun (when M4s run out).

    Every country has a right to determine who and what enters. Otherwise, is it sovereign? So, when anyone for any reason enters the US at a place other than a lawful port of entry, it is entirely reasonable to give them a very close look.
    No, they were protecting it.
     
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