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Snake Season is Here

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by T J, Apr 25, 2007.

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  1. T J

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    Well sports fans, I'm proud to announce rattle snake season is officially here in my part of the world. I got home tonight and the Wife had a young rattler hung on the fence beside the house, our first one of the season. I was slightly disappointed that she said it took her two shots to dispatch it, but she explained she was trying to minimize damage to the house and water hoses. She told me a little later that a water hose had suffered a 'minor' collatoral injury (hmm... wonder if I have any patching parts left).
    This was right at the end of a short sidewalk at the back porch where we walk. As this was a young one (maybe 1 1/2 foot), I'm sure there are more from the same batch nearby (great). We have killed in the neighborhood of 10 rattlesnakes within probably 10' of the house (2 inside of it).
    I have found that the shot shells I loaded up in .38 Spl work quite nicely on these stinkin' (deleted). They have less collatoral damage to the surrounding items (house, etc) than a 12 Ga. (although, given a clean shot they work extremely well, and have been used too). Much easier with shot shells than with a bullet (well, guess have to admit it has taken me two shots with a .45 to hit one on the road to the house given my above 'disappointment' with the Wife's shooting earlier, ha).
    One of the snakes killed at the house was on the front steps (well all of them were WAY too close, more untold stories involved). I had walked out to the pickup, and on my way back I saw the snake on the steps. The Wife has a .357 that we shoot these shot shell out of. I called to her and told her to bring me the .357. She gave it to me, and I got an angle where I wouldn't get any ricochet off the steps to take the shot. I didn't take a super fine bead (given the shot shells) and let fire. I was very surprised that I did not hit it when I fired (and that sure did seem awfully loud too). Checked the revolver, and she had .357 Magnum HP's in it (later found a hole in a leaf of a bush, and figured I missed less than half an inch). She went and got some shot shells for me and things turned out fine (well, not for the snake). Watch your step out there folks, it's that time of year again.
     
  2. spooney

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    Yeah we saw one cottonmouth this past weekend fishing, I went to shoot it with my .38 and realized I didn't have ratshot and shooting a bullet at water probably wasn't the safest thing to do. That one lived but the next one won't.
     
  3. Geronimo45

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    Cats do a pretty good job of keeping away the slitherly element. Lizards, too.

    So the .38 shotshells work? Maybe I'll get meself some in .45 auto.
     
  4. T J

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    The dogs we now have will kill most any varmit they encounter (Coons, Possums, Cats, etc...), but they are pretty worthless at rattlesnakes. As alluded to, cats are not a good option for snake control, dogs treat the cats as a high ranking food group (sigh).
     
  5. T J

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    Geronimo 45,
    The shot shells I have I hand loaded. Bought some Speer shot projecticles IIRC and some lead shot and ran them through the reloading press. I have never tried with an auto, I question if they would cycle correctly. The ones I loaded had a pretty light powder charge, no issue with a revolver, not sure the results with an auto. I think there are factory shot shells out there, here again personally have a question how they would cycle an auto without further testing or input.
     
  6. eng23ine

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    FYI the CCI shotshells in .45ACP will NOT cycle a S&W 4506 or a Ruger P90.
     
  7. Geronimo45

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    Doubt that the shotshells would cycle an auto. The .22 LR models never have for me.
    My concern was whether they could stop a snake... since they seem to be able to, I'm happy as a clam. Tried .22 snakeshot/ratshot on a piece of wallboard at seven yards - and results looked pretty sorry.
     
  8. Avenger29

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    I got bit by a nonvenomous eastern "racer" on Saturday. Only snake I have seen so far this year. The rattlers stay away from our area for some reason, but we do have some copperheads. My dogs love to root snakes of all types out.

    I don't harm the nonposionous varieties, but I shoot the venomous ones to keep the dogs from getting bit.
     
  9. TallPine

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    So how did it taste?
     
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    My friend saw a copperhead in our creek crossing this weekend. Might have to slip down there with the 12 ga. We have too many youngster playing in that creek.
     
  11. NM234

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    I agree with killing rattlers near your home, even though your chance of being bit is minor if you follow procautions, but kids are unlikely to follow them. One thing I don't agree with though is the hunts where they kill massive numbers of them. This puts anyone in the area in extreme danger. So long as you keep them away from where you live you are statistically more likely to die from a rodent carrying disease than a rattler.

    I've worked with snakes since I was 11, and even had the opportunity to work with venomous ones on occassion (using a snake stick, etc. obviously) and own a python (a small python, called a ball python that only gets to about 4 feet long and a couple pounds but I want to buy a burmese soon, those can get up to about 12-20 feet/60-200 pounds depending on if its a male or female) and a boa constrictor(about 7 feet right now, maybe 15 pounds, a very heavy bodied snake). I've never been bitten. If you watch out for warning signs of aggression they are not likely to bite. But I agree with keeping them away from kids, but those hunts kill too many and upset the ecosystem.
     
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    Caught a copperhead behind the house a coupla weeks ago...
    released it across the road.
    No rattlers yet this year.
    P
     
  13. Radjxf

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    Anyone dispatched a snake with those CCI .38 shotshells? I've got a box, never fired any of them. They look pretty pathetic IMO. Better than a stick I guess!
     
  14. News Shooter

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    Snakes are our friend

    I lived in the SW for many years and had many encounters with rattlesnakes. In almost all of them it was no big deal to just avoid it. They are generally not aggressive critters and unless you step on one they don't usually strike.
    Even when they do they don't always throw venom. I even found on in the apartment dryer one time. I just got a stick and took it out in the desert and let it go. They eat a lot of things that really would make our lives miserable.

    I agree about the roundups although in my younger days I attended them.
    Same thing about sharks. They are there for a reason. Leave them alone.
     
  15. NM234

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    exactly my point newshooter, w/o the snakes there would be many many more rodents, which can carry disease into your house.

    Like I said, if its a threat to your family (living on your property and you don't know how to properly handle a venomous snake hint: steve irwin did it wrong you have to use a snake stick) dispatch it. But those massive round-ups are just putting you in more danger.
     
  16. Onmilo

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    It should be water moccasin breeding season in my neck of the woods but too chilly and wet for that to get into full swing yet.

    I don't mind a few snakes around, rat snakes, black racers and the like for obvious reasons but Illinois water moccasins can be extremely aggresive during breeding season.

    Water moccasins are one of the few poisonous snakes I have encountered that will charge a human being.

    There are some river tributaries near here that can be dangerous places to go during the spring as these snakes have been known to drop off overhanging branches and into boats and they will swim right up to boats and attempt to get in and join the people onboard.

    I have no real use for these kinds of snakes and will generally exterminate them if they get too close to my property.

    I have found a .410 shotgun with 2 1/2" #6 shot to be effective for killing them with one dose.
    .410s are getting very expensive now and 2 1/2" shells get harder to find every year.
    I don't like the three inch "Magnum" loads because they toss the snakes around more than the 2.5s
    May end up using plain old 7 1/2 shot Trap Loads this year if it ever gets warm enough for the snakes to get love on their minds.

    Good luck with your quest to keep the rattlesnakes out of hearth and home.
     
  17. T J

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    I don't advocate wiping out all snakes. I don't kill non-poisionous snakes, they help to eat the mice. But I'm not going to let a rattler go, especially when they are in the yard, on the porch, under the car port etc. I have had dogs and livestock bitten (most lived, some died), but luckily not me or the wife yet even though we walk around in the dark a lot of times. She has had one next to the front porch steps striking at her as she carried groceries into the house. Nope, can't see letting them go when they are that close to the house especially.
     
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    The shot loads for .45 acp made by CCI will lock a .45acp revolver up. At least they do my Ruger Blackhawk.
     
  19. waterhouse

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    Has anyone tried those .22 shotshells on a snake?
     
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    Has anyone tried just walking away from a snake?

    Of course, any poisonous snake found near or (gasp!) in your residence needs to be dealt with in a safe and timely manner.

    The rest can be ignored.

    A lot of Northern Water Snakes meet their maker because they look a lot like a Water Moccasin or Cottonmouth, and have such a nasty temperament. Unfortunately, prudence demands that when it doubt, err on the side of your own safety, and study the recently deceased snake to see if one made the right call.
     
  21. Onmilo

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    Yes I have tried .22 shotshells on snakes.
    .22 shotshells will work but in my opinion you have to get so close, about 5 to 6 feet from the snake for them to be effective you may run a serious risk of being bitten if you don't kill the critter in one shot.

    If by chance a poisonous snake was attached to part of my anatomy and a .22 handgun with shotshells was all I had to shoot it loose I might use them again.
    Being as I have a choice, I will stick with a .410 shotgun.

    I must add that I have had great fun shooting dragonflies up in Wisconsin with a .22 rifle and shotshells,( the crimped shells work more effectively than the capsule shot for this), and I have used .22 shot on flying critters that get into my house and outbuildings but for snakes I will always choose something else if I can.
     
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    I got really big rattlesnake the other day with my 1911. First shot missed the head. Second shot cut it almost clean in half just behind the head. I've lost at least two cats that I know of from these things and my dog a couple years back. I leave the non venomous ones alone, if it rattles it dies at my house.
     
  23. waterhouse

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    I agree with you.

    I've had to move several non venomous snakes out of my driveway so that I could leave the house without running them over.

    I've also nearly peed my pants after a small rattler decided to hit the thankfully heavy leather that was covering my ankle (I was weedwacking with hearing protection on; people who say that you will hear them rattle before it is a problem have obviously never been weedwacking with hearing protection on when a nearby rattlesnake gets upset.)

    In general I leave snakes alone, but if I have to deal with another rattler I'd like to know if .22 shotshells will do the trick.
     
  24. Outlaw Man

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    Get you a Kingsnake or two. Your rattler problems will soon be over.
     
  25. sansone

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    we have water moccasins here. very aggresive snakes. they don't travel too far from water (1-200yds) but we're close. I like to use the 20ga w/#6shot.. sometimes the snake charges right at the shooter so you can't use 22's
     
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