So hard waiting....Are CZ Production Numbers Low compared to others????

[rubicon923]

The weak point may be the CZ USA organization. I've dealt with them a couple of times and they're pretty pathetic.

 

[Pilot]

The weak point may be the CZ USA organization. I've dealt with them a couple of times and they're pretty pathetic.

How so? I've dealt with their Customer Service, and they've sent me parts for free. They wouldn't even take shipping costs.

 

[I6turbo]

The weak point may be the CZ USA organization. I've dealt with them a couple of times and they're pretty pathetic.

I have a bunch of CZs of various types and the few times I've contacted CZ-USA for anything - info, spare parts, gun availability, and one warranty issue - they've been great. Once I didn't get what I was looking for, spoke with a manager, and they took great care of me going beyond my original expectations.

 

[CNobbe]

Was reading the post about how CZs are popular on the internet and I realized I've never bought a CZ locally.

My local dealers all have P-07s or CZ 75 Omega models - that's it.

One shop has two 40th Anniversary models unfired, but they're consignment guns - which came from Bud's..lol

 

[guyfromohio]

Let's see....
P-07 #1. LGS
P-07 #2. Pvt Sale
PCR #1. LGS
PCR #2. On-line via FFL
75B #s 1-4. Pvt Sale
SDP on-line via FFL
rami BD on-line via FFL
1911 A1 LGS


Edit... A re-read brings to light that this looks boastful. I do not own most of these today. In fact, I'm down to one PCR, SDP, and 1911.

 

[Acera]

Well there are two Cabela's near me. Each one only has one.

But I have an update. I did manage to find a Kadet!!!!!!!

Congratulations.

Let us know how it works out.





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[JDR]

A GS I frequent has a decent stock of CZ's, I could have had an O.D. Green P-01 a few months back, but I thought that color looked awful on the gun.

 

[armoredman]

The weak point may be the CZ USA organization. I've dealt with them a couple of times and they're pretty pathetic.

I have had absolutely nothing but good service and friendly attitude from CZ-USA.

 

[dragon813gt]

I have had absolutely nothing but good service and friendly attitude from CZ-USA.

Same here. Turnaround for a repair was less than two weeks door to door. Availability has gotten better around here. It took me two years to find a 75BD. Bought it immediately because I knew it wouldn't be there later on. No one stocks a lot of them. But it's rare that at least one isn't in the case.

I don't know the last time I saw a PCR at a LGS. I still need to buy one. I have a Franken CZ that's half PCR, half RAMI so it's not like I need it. But one has been on my list for years at this point. I could buy one on Gunbroker but that's no fun :laugh:

 

[Acera]

I've also had good service from CZ-USA. Got the opportunity to purchase a couple of the firearms they had on display at the SHOT and NRA shows. Top notch service dealing with them and their gunsmith.



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[rubicon923]

How so? I've dealt with their Customer Service, and they've sent me parts for free. They wouldn't even take shipping costs.

As I recall, I had to go back and forth between their parts guys and a manager to resolve a relatively minor parts problem.

I was never impressed with CZ as a company.

For example, their model designations always seemed more complicated than they had to be. Want to buy a 9mm Glock. It's either large (G17), medium (G19), or small (G26). Simple.

I decided to buy a compact 9mm CZ. Turns out that CZ sells an alloy framed compact 9mm as the Compact D in Europe and the identical gun in the US as the P01. Took me a bit of research to find out that these two guns are identical. Why two different names for the same gun?

Went to my LGS and found only the Compact D for sale - the one that CZ supposedly sells only outside the US.

They also sell the Compact which sounds like IT might be the same as the Compact D, but it isn't. - the frame material is different. Then, there is the PCR, yet another compact 9mm.

When I deal with CZ, I get the feeling that I'm dealing with a former communist enterprise that has not fully transitioned to the free market.

I get the same impression when I disassemble a CZ. Seems much more complicated than it needs to be.

 

[Pilot]

^^^^^^All non sequiturs for me. Guess you are just a Glock guy. CZ has a number of different models, and model designations. So what? They offer variety, and still make a traditional all metal pistol that just flat out works great. Take down is very simple, and the guns are easy to clean and reassemble.

 

[I6turbo]

As I recall, I had to go back and forth between their parts guys and a manager to resolve a relatively minor parts problem.

I was never impressed with CZ as a company.

For example, their model designations always seemed more complicated than they had to be. Want to buy a 9mm Glock. It's either large (G17), medium (G19), or small (G26). Simple.

I decided to buy a compact 9mm CZ. Turns out that CZ sells an alloy framed compact 9mm as the Compact D in Europe and the identical gun in the US as the P01. Took me a bit of research to find out that these two guns are identical. Why two different names for the same gun?

Went to my LGS and found only the Compact D for sale - the one that CZ supposedly sells only outside the US.

They also sell the Compact which sounds like IT might be the same as the Compact D, but it isn't. - the frame material is different. Then, there is the PCR, yet another compact 9mm.

When I deal with CZ, I get the feeling that I'm dealing with a former communist enterprise that has not fully transitioned to the free market.

I get the same impression when I disassemble a CZ. Seems much more complicated than it needs to be.

You might like the guns from the CZ predecessor company, BRNO. They had the Model 1, Model 2, Model 3, Model 4, and Model 5. However, there was that deviously-named Model 3S thrown in there just to confuse the non-communists. But at least, like the others, the 3S was a bolt action and still very simply constructed.

 

[rubicon923]

Good point.

When the Czech communist gov't transferred long arm production from BRNO to CZ, the nomenclature for the rimfire rifles changed from as simple as can be to needlessly complicated. I have two of the CZ 452 rifles. Nothing wrong with the guns but understanding the different models takes an evening of work.

One of the historic screw ups in modern firearms was when CZ designed the CZ75. The gun was designed in 9x19. Problem was that Soviet bloc militaries did not use the 9x19, so Soviet bloc sales were limited (and maybe non-existent).

Meanwhile outside the Soviet bloc, the CZ75 had no patent protection so manufacturers outside the Soviet bloc could freely steal the design. And they did. That's why CZ75 clones were produced all over the world.

The discussion that started this thread was why is CZ availability so sporadic. How often has your LGS been completely out of M&Ps or Glocks? Not routinely I bet.

 

[CobraJunkie]

Love my CZs. Both from CZ custom and just scored a lightly used Kadet2 kit that I haven't shot yet. Never a problem with CZ USA or CZ Custom CS.

 

[jrmiddleton425]

Bottom line, there are hardly any CZ's around it seems. I went to a CZ dealer in town....one CZ P-07. Went to another, they have a few, .45, SS Polished 75 (not for sale?), P-07, Russian commemorative edition and the P-01. Went to another dealer....none, but they did have a P-01 used for like $40 less than new.

If you found that many within driving distance of where you live...that is a PLETHORA of CZs. I spent two years looking for one, and have never seen one available for retail sale 2012-2016.

The only CZ pistol I have ever had in my hands, I bought sight unseen from Bud's October 5th, 2014.