so if I want a coach gun NOT for CAS...
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Deer Hunter
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Stoeger coach gun. Best bang for the buck.
MAX100
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If you want one with working exposed hammers the TTN 1878 coach is the best out there. The hammers are close in for quick dual hammer cocking. They come with the reduced power hammer springs already installed. Nice stock, fit and finish. They are highly regarded in the Cowboy world. Many of the top champions use them.
I know you don't want one for CAS but visit the SSAS CAS websites. They know their guns well and you will get a good insight on the best coach gun for you.
GC
I know you don't want one for CAS but visit the SSAS CAS websites. They know their guns well and you will get a good insight on the best coach gun for you.
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Forgot to mention, the Stoeger has internal hammers. It breaks down compactly and I've hauled the whole thing around in a backpack before.
News Shooter
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Both of those are great suggestions. The Stoeger for carry and use and the TTN for CASS.
But, if you want pure, magical gun beauty this is it:
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=77
As stated before, it's not as good for CAS because the hammers are too far apart, but damn it is beautiful.
But, if you want pure, magical gun beauty this is it:
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=77
As stated before, it's not as good for CAS because the hammers are too far apart, but damn it is beautiful.
MCgunner
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Picked up and have been hunting with a Remington Spartan (aka Baikal) SPR220 and I really like it. I specifically wanted choke tubes (came with cylinder to full, 4 chokes) and it is very compact once broken down. I can travel on my Goldwing with it locked in the bags. I gave $299 for it and it's a very rugged little gun and shoots straight. It patterns will with all chokes.
BobbyQuickdraw
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All of the Stoeger coach guns are CAS legal, including the Coach Gun Supreme. The requirement for CAS is basically made in the style of the time period, and hammerless shotguns were there. They even allow pump shotguns, but you can only load 2 shells at a time.
I'm very interested in getting a Stoeger. I want the Stoeger Coach Gun Supreme in 12gauge. Anyone experienced with that model? It has screw in chokes, nicer wood, and a bigger recoil pad - main differences from the other coaches. Costs about $400 in store.
Any more thoughts on Stoeger?
I'm very interested in getting a Stoeger. I want the Stoeger Coach Gun Supreme in 12gauge. Anyone experienced with that model? It has screw in chokes, nicer wood, and a bigger recoil pad - main differences from the other coaches. Costs about $400 in store.
Any more thoughts on Stoeger?
Ashaq
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I went to the gun store today pricing shotguns. Wasn't looking for them at all but a rack of Stoegers caught my eye, and I think I may have to change up what kind of shotgun I am looking for. I'd primarily be using it for home defense but also for fun range shooting, such nice looking guns too.
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My Stoeger 20" coach gun has held up for over eight years and thousands of rounds. They can be a bit stiff right out of the box, but they are durable, reliable, and they shoot very well.
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Does anyone make a double whose barrels will work on an antique Remington Double barrel action?
Maybe a Remington replica.
A lady I know has an old Remington hammer gun with one split barrel and the other too badly pitted to be used. The rest of the gun is in excellent mechanical condition.
Maybe a Remington replica.
A lady I know has an old Remington hammer gun with one split barrel and the other too badly pitted to be used. The rest of the gun is in excellent mechanical condition.
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Burt, my stoeger was a bit stiff out of the box too. That is, until I took a dremel to certain areas. Now it's extremely, a bit moreso than my mother's citori.
KevininPa
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I'm with McGunner.....
........on the Spartan. Mine was pricey due to the exposed hammers (about $425 out the door), but the boxlocks can go for as little as $279. They usually come with changeable chokes. It's a Com-Bloc firearm so you know it's built for abuse. All of the Com-Blocs are. Very stout and made for abuse in the woods, thats why I got it. The Spartans are the Russian Baikals but with a Remington warranty. I had a Limbsaver put on mine as I've stated in your other thread. My gunsmith was very impressed with it. His words were " simple and heavily built". Nothing should go wrong and if it might, shouldn't take much to repair. And they really are prettier than one would be led to believe online. I had a white spacer installed on mine with the Limbsaver due to it's looks. There's some minor engraving and the wood in the stocks are really extraordinary. If I were you I would at least check into them. You won't appreciate them until you hold one, like I did. And I have compared them to the Stoegers in one of the shops that I like to frequent and prefered it. Just my humble opinion.
........on the Spartan. Mine was pricey due to the exposed hammers (about $425 out the door), but the boxlocks can go for as little as $279. They usually come with changeable chokes. It's a Com-Bloc firearm so you know it's built for abuse. All of the Com-Blocs are. Very stout and made for abuse in the woods, thats why I got it. The Spartans are the Russian Baikals but with a Remington warranty. I had a Limbsaver put on mine as I've stated in your other thread. My gunsmith was very impressed with it. His words were " simple and heavily built". Nothing should go wrong and if it might, shouldn't take much to repair. And they really are prettier than one would be led to believe online. I had a white spacer installed on mine with the Limbsaver due to it's looks. There's some minor engraving and the wood in the stocks are really extraordinary. If I were you I would at least check into them. You won't appreciate them until you hold one, like I did. And I have compared them to the Stoegers in one of the shops that I like to frequent and prefered it. Just my humble opinion.
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If money were no object,the CZ would go home with me.I held one and looked it over last year,and it sure is nice.
My Stoeger gets me by,but that CZ was so much more gun.!
My Stoeger gets me by,but that CZ was so much more gun.!
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I use the stoeger coach gun supreme, in sass. They aren't the most durable guns ever made, but they are pretty nice. My last one lasted three years, shooting 4-8 matches a month, plus a lot of fairly intense practice. I eventually broke a little piece off the forward lug. It served pretty well for quite a while. I just ordered another one.
They lend themselves to a few fairly easy mods to make them really nice handling guns.
~~~Mat
They lend themselves to a few fairly easy mods to make them really nice handling guns.
~~~Mat
MCgunner
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Kevin, my wood is quite ordinary. LOL! Varies from gun to gun of course. But, tough is the word for this thing. Mine has the nickel frame. Now, many would prefer steel or color case hardening, but I got mired in the muck in a pothole teal hunting in September and had to swim out. The gun got soaked with brackish water and covered in mud. On the way back to the truck I could see rust forming on the barrel. Fortunately, I had cleaning stuff in the van and nipped it in the bud right there. It fared a helluva lot better than my cell phone did, can tell ya that.
The only way to get the mud and muck out of the checkering and off the stock was with WD. I don't usually like to do that, but you know, oiling that stock brought out some grain in the wood it didn't have before and darkened the checkered areas. It looks a lot better now, LOL!Yeah, I HAVE to have rugged working guns and I think Remington named it "Spartan" for a reason. It ain't dolled up, but it'll be here when others break. And, after owning it for a while, it ain't that plain. It ain't that pretty, but it ain't that ugly either. And, that nickeled frame? It never once even TRIED to rust even when I was watching the rust form on the barrel. This gun is going to see a lot of rough use and I think it can handle it about as well as any blued/wood shotgun could. I mean, it's not stainless/polymer, but it works in an old school sorta way. Neatest thing is how small it gets in a saddle bag or back pack.
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McGunner
" Neatest thing is how small it gets in a saddle bag or back pack. "
They do break down small. I also had my 'smith put detachable sling swivels on mine for the woods. Still gotta pick up a nice leather sling. I got lucky with mine on the wood. Has a good grain to it. I'm interested in that slug combo idea you have, which choke tube do you have for that slug barrel? Open cylinder, I'm guessing?
" Neatest thing is how small it gets in a saddle bag or back pack. "
They do break down small. I also had my 'smith put detachable sling swivels on mine for the woods. Still gotta pick up a nice leather sling. I got lucky with mine on the wood. Has a good grain to it. I'm interested in that slug combo idea you have, which choke tube do you have for that slug barrel? Open cylinder, I'm guessing?
MCgunner
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I put the cylinder bore in the left barrel for the rear trigger. Front trigger is for small game, mod choked is my thinking after doing some patterning and duck/dove hunting with it. It'd reach out there on squirrels well enough. IC would be better for rabbits, I reckon, but I have killed a lot of rabbits with a full choked .410.
I contacted a smith about the swivels, too. Great to have swivel studs on a gun for waterfowling. Up til now, I've been using a slide on deal, but just for carrying. It would get in the way shooting it. But, I always remove the sling before shooting ducks, can catch on marsh grass, reeds, and stuff. Would be handier in the woods, for sure, with swivel studs and I'll get that done I think. I installed my own on my Rossi 92 carbine (barrel band comes off), but I'm a little scared to drill into that barrel rib, LOL.
With slugs, the right barrel shoots a little left and the left barrel shoots a little right at 50 yards due to the barrel regulation, but it's easy to correct for. It sort of limits your yardage, but I plan to do some more experimentation on sight picture with it, maybe get 75 yards out of it if I can. 50 yards can do the job, though, especially on hogs which you usually run into up close. Just adds to the versatility of the gun as a general woods gun.
If you're camping, it'd be good to carry for bear protection, too, slug in one barrel, 00 in the other, though mine is in 20 gauge.
I contacted a smith about the swivels, too. Great to have swivel studs on a gun for waterfowling. Up til now, I've been using a slide on deal, but just for carrying. It would get in the way shooting it. But, I always remove the sling before shooting ducks, can catch on marsh grass, reeds, and stuff. Would be handier in the woods, for sure, with swivel studs and I'll get that done I think. I installed my own on my Rossi 92 carbine (barrel band comes off), but I'm a little scared to drill into that barrel rib, LOL.
With slugs, the right barrel shoots a little left and the left barrel shoots a little right at 50 yards due to the barrel regulation, but it's easy to correct for. It sort of limits your yardage, but I plan to do some more experimentation on sight picture with it, maybe get 75 yards out of it if I can. 50 yards can do the job, though, especially on hogs which you usually run into up close. Just adds to the versatility of the gun as a general woods gun.
If you're camping, it'd be good to carry for bear protection, too, slug in one barrel, 00 in the other, though mine is in 20 gauge.
Hank Dodge
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I've had a Stoeger over ten years now. I bought it for CAS shooting originally. It was a bit stiff when new, but it lightened up a bit with some use. I like the way it breaks down small for travel and that it is very reliable. One heck of a shotgun for the price. I'd highly recommend one.
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Eightball
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Just out of curiosity, and not to hijack the thread....but what coach guns have screw-in chokes nowadays? That's about the only reason I've not ordered one, myself.
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Eightball
As you've read here the Spartans do. I use mine for clays and small game. My gunsmith said it should work alright for some range work because of the choke tubes and the fact that the barrel was long enough to burn up all the powder. So I went out and checked my patterns and son of a gun if it didn't do half bad!
As you've read here the Spartans do. I use mine for clays and small game. My gunsmith said it should work alright for some range work because of the choke tubes and the fact that the barrel was long enough to burn up all the powder. So I went out and checked my patterns and son of a gun if it didn't do half bad!
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McGunner
My gunsmith said that that rib has plenty of meat for mounting that stud. He was really impressed with how sturdy the Spartans were made.
My gunsmith said that that rib has plenty of meat for mounting that stud. He was really impressed with how sturdy the Spartans were made.
MCgunner
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Cool, I'll get that done after hunting seasons are over.
Yeah, my 20 gauge patterns VERY tight, about 90 percent 30" patterns at a full 40 yards with AA 7.5s. It's so tight with full choke, I prefer dove hunting with IC unless it's WAY out there. I choked IC/Full for dove hunting and think I might do better with IC/mod, frankly. On teal and ducks, only the IC and cylinder chokes that come with the gun are steel certified (others can be ordered, though). I choked cyl/IC and the IC with steel 3" is good for 35 yards over decoys, about perfect for teal. During the regular season, I tend to prefer my 12 gauge guns anyway, but over deeks and on teal, it works well. With the full choke, it'll reach out there for a squirrel about as far as I'd shoot at one with a .22 rifle.
Someone on one of these threads said the regular Stoeger comes fixed cylinder bore, but you can get an upgraded one with good wood and choke tubes. The standard Spartan comes with choke tubes and I bought mine specifically as a travel/bird hunting gun. I can get there on my motorcycle and hunt, good thing when the van gets 14 mpg.
Yeah, my 20 gauge patterns VERY tight, about 90 percent 30" patterns at a full 40 yards with AA 7.5s. It's so tight with full choke, I prefer dove hunting with IC unless it's WAY out there. I choked IC/Full for dove hunting and think I might do better with IC/mod, frankly. On teal and ducks, only the IC and cylinder chokes that come with the gun are steel certified (others can be ordered, though). I choked cyl/IC and the IC with steel 3" is good for 35 yards over decoys, about perfect for teal. During the regular season, I tend to prefer my 12 gauge guns anyway, but over deeks and on teal, it works well. With the full choke, it'll reach out there for a squirrel about as far as I'd shoot at one with a .22 rifle.
Someone on one of these threads said the regular Stoeger comes fixed cylinder bore, but you can get an upgraded one with good wood and choke tubes. The standard Spartan comes with choke tubes and I bought mine specifically as a travel/bird hunting gun. I can get there on my motorcycle and hunt, good thing when the van gets 14 mpg.
Eightball
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So, the Spartan and Stoeger are the only ones? I've been unimpressed with the quality of their firearms that have come through my store, but am still holding out for a coach gun at some point in my future.
MCgunner
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Hmm, well, you could always pick up a Winchester M21 and cut the barrels off, I guess.
When I think "Coach Gun" I automatically think of a hammer gun. No hammers.... no coach gun. Just a short double barrel shotgun.
That CZ is nice. It's also $900! I just picked up this little EMF Hartford for about 1/2 that:
Hammers angled for twin cocking. If you have to have one with a safety, this one is pretty unobtrusive AND it allows for 'cocked and locked' carry - not a bad thing for a short range brush hunt.
And have you ever seem prettier CCH and wood grain on a $500 gun in your life?
That CZ is nice. It's also $900! I just picked up this little EMF Hartford for about 1/2 that:
Hammers angled for twin cocking. If you have to have one with a safety, this one is pretty unobtrusive AND it allows for 'cocked and locked' carry - not a bad thing for a short range brush hunt.
And have you ever seem prettier CCH and wood grain on a $500 gun in your life?
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