So if Nader wants to run again, we should encourage him right?

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Doesn't that kind of assume that the republicans are our friends?

I think it's telling how much has been done for gun owners when the republicans control the white house, the house, and the senate. How many gun laws were repealed again? And bush will do what exactly if the AW ban renewal hits his desk?
 
Yes, I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Its gotten to the point that there is no way to tell whether someone is a Democrat or Republican, unless you look at the little letter (D) or (R) behind their name.
 
I think it's telling how much has been done for gun owners when the republicans control the white house, the house, and the senate. How many gun laws were repealed again?
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None that I know of. The plastic gun ban was extended though. It's good to know they are thinking of us.

Vote for a democratic and get screwed on gun rights.
Vote for a republican and get screwed on gun rights.

In the wise words of the Kang and Kodos from the Simpsons, "It's a two party system, what are you going to do?"
 
Look at the CCW map and say that.

The dems are the ones continuing gun control and the Gun Rights Republicans still don't have a clear majority in either the Senate or the House. Bush is a moderate. I'm sure you want the hilderbeast in charge.

If you want to turn the clock back to a gun control Bill every month, I'm sure you'll be glad to vote for the dims.
 
If you think we'd be better off with Gore in the White House and Dems controlling Congress, you are just plain nuts.


If you think the Republicans are our best friends and thoroughly trustworthy, you are just plain nuts.


They aren't nearly as bad as the Dems. That doesn't make them GOOD.


But they aren't nearly as bad.
 
17th ammendmant and gun control.

Micro, it's true, there are pro-gun Democrats, especially at the state legislative level.

Here in Wisconsin, there are several Dems from rural districts who voted in favor of our concealed carry bill. Many are "single issue" Democrats like farm issues, or union labor, and are moderate to conservative on many other issues like taxes, gun control etc.

Unfortunately in the federal legislature, specifically the senate, Senators are elected by the popular vote per state, and the liberal anti-gun cities tend to dominate more often than they do in the House.

It used to be that Senators, before the 17th ammendment, being more "powerful" were to be elected by the state legislatures, while Representatives were popular vote by district within the state.

It was another version of the electoral college, which is there because the framers of the consititution realized they wanted a check on "pure democracy" so that the politica values of high population states, and populous cities couldn't dominate.

Because the senate elections got turned over to the popular vote, it paved the way for the Senate to eventually shift more to the left politically as America became more urbanized, and urbanization became more left-leaning on average. Pro-gun senators who may have been electable by rural district count in their states, now have to pander to more collectivist and nominally nti-gun attitudes in the cities.
 
Wild guess, Zell Miller?

Either way, I do understand the common thread of the point in lots of your posts.

On the more realistic two axis political graph: Collectivist/liberal-Capitalsit/conservative and Authoritarian-Libertarian, there are those on the left who support RKBA.

I do agree that it would be nice if the NRA could once again bridge the gap between the parties here in the U.S. Although, it's hardly entirely their fault. As Zell Miller himself pointed out that the Democrats have abandoned the South, a major gun-owning consituency.

I would love to live in an America where the "gun issue" was put to bed firmly on the side or RKBA, and we could spend our time debating taxes, military, forgein policy, and the welfare state.
 
Lets take over the green party. Run Tamara and Jim March. I'm sure we can crank up a propaganda section that would put the RNC and DNC to shame. Our motto should be WINING IS ALL THAT MATTERS TACTICS DON'T.
 
Well, the Green Party is alot more relevant than the Libertarians are. People have actually heard of Nader (as opposed to any Libertarians) & he sure got more votes than the human nullity that ran for the Libertarians, what's-his-face.

MicroBalrog sure has strong opinions about American politics, for somebody who doesn't even live here. Excellent ability to look up trivia on the Internet, too. ;)
 
Talk about flame bait! Yes, the Greens do a better job of getting their message out. Most people don't even know who the libertarians are - they think they're the ACLU or something. Who know what will happen next year. Is the reform party running anybody? If not those votes probably go to Bush.

I would love to live in an America where the "gun issue" was put to bed firmly on the side or RKBA, and we could spend our time debating taxes, military, forgein policy, and the welfare state.
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Me too. But I'll bet that Microbalrog will eventually immigrate to the US, and he will probably join the Democrats, and establish Democrats for the Second Amendment or something like that.
 
Yes, the Greens do a better job of getting their message out. Most people don't even know who the libertarians are - they think they're the ACLU or something.
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Yeah, I hadn't heard of libertarians until I came to this forum. Greens I had heard of all during the last election. They had fliers posted all over our campus. I remember thinking that's alot of wasted paper! :)
 
Does watching La Femme Nikita and eating some brie give you an unctonrollable urge to comment on French jurisprudence, too? :evil:

Relax, I'm just giving you a hard time. And my IQ tested at 140 last time. ;)
 
Does watching La Femme Nikita and eating some brie give you an unctonrollable urge to comment on French jurisprudence, too?
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No. Than again, I have not read the French Constitution, gun laws, gun regulations, and their equivalent of the Senate 1982 RKBA report.

I am also not familiar with french history in as much detail I'm familiar with US history.

Also, I believe in a Domino Effect theory... but that's a separate thread.
 
Why would anyone encourage nader not to run? I thought the United States was a supposed to be a democracy, not a placed ruled exclusively by two parties.

As a poster on another board that I frequent put it:

qalnor said this at the somethingawful forums:
The fact of the matter is this: Democrats and republicans use their control of government to prevent any other parties from forming to ensure that they will never die. They are, in essence, a political monopoly.

Anyone who seeks to break that monopoly is doing right by me, even if because of their actions someone gets elected who is the worse of two evils. The Democrats and republicans have it coming, and don't think that it will never affect the republicans, for it already has. Nader won a miniscule percentage of the vote and by chance caused Gore to lose.
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I really wish there were more than 2 major parties in the US. :(
 
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