So I'm transporting via Jet Blue...

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see people suggesting stuff like "file a complaint" and I think that someone suggested that one ask that she get fired... And then there's the "pissing match." Yeah, that's the way to win friends and influence people, all right...

Why make things HARDER than they need to be? One can generally educate with a smile a LOT faster than one can "get in a pissing match" which may end up involving a lot more than just the poor girl's supervisor.

And what is wrong with behaving as a gentleman? Then again, I'm not from the area between Boston and Washington, and I was brought up to treat the hired help with grace and dignity.

Wow, next time I'm in St. Louis can I stop by and borrow a cup of ego and one of humility? It's a good thing we have you to be our conscience. Where would we be otherwise? Especially since none of us poor Easterners were ever taught manners by our parents.

When you started wading in telling everyone that they had no right to speak to this misinformed person like they were suggesting - people had said nothing more harsh than that they would have asked to see her supervisor (which is your right if you are paying for a service and not getting it), or politely declining her request (which I automatically assumed would result in a supervisor being called to handle the situation). At that point no one had mentioned anything about getting this person fired, or even disciplined. The way I read it, they were trying to do exactly what you claim you want them to do, educate the person politely. Since they couldn't speak about airline policy with authority, and she obviously didn't understand airline policy, the supervisor could have quickly set the person straight so that, not only would this situation have been resolved with no hurt feelings, the situation would not become a problem for anyone else. A letter of complaint would have accomplished the same goal in this instance since the original poster was in a hurry. This also helps to make sure that this situation is not repeated in the future. After all, from the gist of the original post I get the feeling that this person is a frequent flier on this route and could conceivably have to deal with this employee again.

Is your suggestion to just leave the situation as is and hope that you don't have to deal with the same employee the next time? As I have pointed out, we are paying the airline (a private business interest) for a service. Aren't we entitled to get the service we pay for without harassment?

Yes, there are those who would turn this into a very confrontational situation. Those same people might even derive some warped sense of pleasure from doing so. However, most of those responses I saw simply stated that the posters would insist on being treated fairly by a business they were giving their money to.
 
Jet Blue agent: "I need to see your Concealed Weapon permit."

willbrink: "Is that a new policy?"

Jet Blue agent: "No, but I am Columbian."

willbrink: "Well then, I need to see your green card."
 
bogie, I write in a sort of shorthand that leaves things out, or lets people read between the lines. I do act as a gentleman, as much as I am able.

So when I said I wouldn't show my CCW, I didn't mean I'd spit venom and refuse in anger. I'd smile nicely. "Oh, no, that's for policemen to see, it's got nothing to do with airlines. It proves I have permission to carry concealed, that's all." It's not talking down, it's not rude. It's educational, it's polite.

She says she has to see it?

"Hmm. I wonder, have the airlines given you goofed up rules? I know you need to follow the rules. Mind if we get your supervisor over here, see if they've given you a screwy set of rules?"

That's the longhand form of what I wrote in shorthand form way back when the thread began. It's a shame that society is so terse and rude that people just assume you'll be rude unless you draw it all out in crayon.

It shouldn't have to be explained. All men should conduct themselves as gentlemen at all times.
 
So, what's your beef?

That I'm suggesting that you be NICE about it?

No, my beef is not that you're suggesting that people be nice. My beef is that in the threads that I have seen here were you have waded in like this you have simply harranged the other members of the board with your version of being politically correct. Not once have you made any suggestions for alternative behavior, you've simply told them not to do something that you perceive as bad behavior, even though you seem to be the only one with that perception.

I'm beginning to wonder if are trying to set yourself up as collective conscience, or you simply like to stir the pot and see who will get into it with you. I have a friend who can't walk by a tiger's cage without poking a stick into it. I'll tell you the same thing I tell him, you need to at least make sure the cage is locked before you do.

I'm done arguing with you about it.
 
I think what Bogie is trying to point out is that we win no friends by being mean to people who probably don't know any better. She was a stewardess for God's sake. She knows how to check you in, serve you coffee, and get you a blanket. If she's a real good stewardess, she'll probably even get to speak on the intercom and tell you to buckle up. Maybe she thought you needed a permit? You had one, so just show her and then write a letter to the airline questioning the bizarre policy. It's better to be diplomatic in these situations.
 
Was your handgun concealed at the moment, like boxed ? Maybe she had a dry sense of humor ?
 
Sato Ord-
Being an ass to a low level functionary isn't going to solve any problems. The more confrontational you are the more likely they will respond the same way.
Somebody already said that, except in a "nicer" way. I think it was Bogie.

Yes, there are those who would turn this into a very confrontational situation. Those same people might even derive some warped sense of pleasure from doing so.
Somebody already said that, I think it was Bogie...

A letter of complaint would have accomplished the same goal in this instance since the original poster was in a hurry.
No, it really wouldn't and is EXACTLY what Bogie is trying to avert. You argue with him as if his stance on this subject is wrong yet set yourself up as the poster child for what NOT to do. Amazing... Send a letter, sure, but educate in a positive fashion.

When you started wading in telling everyone that they had no right to speak to this misinformed person like they were suggesting
No, my beef is not that you're suggesting that people be nice. My beef is that in the threads that I have seen here were you have waded in like this you have simply harranged the other members of the board with your version of being politically correct.
Yo, Sato, good buddy, it's not Bogie who is wearing the waders here.

...in the threads that I have seen here... I'm beginning to wonder if are trying to set yourself up as collective conscience, or you simply like to stir the pot and see who will get into it with you.
Dang, man, are you becoming a post stalker or something? Are you vying for a modship? Thank Zeus that you caught him! The mods have been trying to catch this evil poster who has 7,885 posts but he is a slippery one... You locked in on it in less than two weeks on these boards. AWESOME! You need to go all Chuck Norris on him like you did that time at the airport-
I can't help but think what I said the last time I had to call a supervisor over at an airline check-in counter, I told him that, "I am profit, your employee is overhead, Delta is just over there!"
Stunning. At least you warned him though, just like your friend-
I have a friend who can't walk by a tiger's cage without poking a stick into it. I'll tell you the same thing I tell him, you need to at least make sure the cage is locked before you do.
You tell them Mr. Norris. I'm going to fax Bogie's pic to the St. Louis zoo immediately. PETA too. This madman must be stopped. All this "reasonable" arguing biz is going to do is get people killed. Slash & burn Mr. Norris, slash & burn. Let 'em have scorched earth if they want it that bad, eh?

I'm done arguing with you about it.
Go back to your corner champ. That chump doesn't know who he's messin' with. One would think that the airline story & the tiger analogy would have given him a clue. Some people...
 
That is ridiculous, you don't need a CCW to transport a firearm. I would have politely said no.

Oh, you most certainly do in some places. In CT, the second you take possession of ANY handgun, regardless of its condition (unloaded, locked cast, etc) without the CT state permit to carry pistols and revolvers, you are immediately guilty of a Class D felony for illegal possession and transportation of handguns.

Without that permit, the ONLY places someone can have a handgun is their residence or place of business if they OWN it. The handgun can never leave without that permit and that's why CT has the 4th highest percentage in the US of permits to eligible permit holders. CT basically MAKES us get the permit just to even be able to go to the range, etc.
 
Oh, you most certainly do in some places. In CT, the second you take possession of ANY handgun, regardless of its condition (unloaded, locked cast, etc) without the CT state permit to carry pistols and revolvers, you are immediately guilty of a Class D felony for illegal possession and transportation of handguns.

Without that permit, the ONLY places someone can have a handgun is their residence or place of business if they OWN it. The handgun can never leave without that permit and that's why CT has the 4th highest percentage in the US of permits to eligible permit holders. CT basically MAKES us get the permit just to even be able to go to the range, etc.

FOPA trumps CT law...
 
I apparently share Bogie's collective conscience on this one. In all of 12 days that Sato has been on this board he's got us all figured out. I am in awe.
 
????

Willbrink: I feel for you as I spent from 1924 to 2000 living in Mass.cant be happier here since I left.:uhoh:--:rolleyes:--:D
 
my subtle self said:
File a complaint with the airline Will. ... Unless you speak up no one will know this person's behavior needs to be addressed.
bogie said:
I see people suggesting stuff like "file a complaint" ...
Apparently I wasn't *ahem* clear about this... :rolleyes: Perhaps you need to

read
go to jetblue.com
between
and click the "speak up" icon
the
They will read it
lines
I promise
:neener:
Don't forget to be nice!
 
QUOTE:

Jet Blue agent: "I need to see your Concealed Weapon permit."

willbrink: "Is that a new policy?"

Jet Blue agent: "No, but I am Columbian."

willbrink: "Well then, I need to see your green card."

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ALL right! Thank you.

What does where she came from have to do with the price of tea in China?

Yes, laws may be different in her country of origin but she is working in America now. It is a good thing that you don't have to Push 1 for ENGLISH at the airline counter too!

Why would she even SAY or THINK that where she came from had jack squat to do with the rules/regs of the company that she is working for while SERVING the man = paying customer = paying HER salary/bennies?!?

Good post and thanks.

Respectfully yours,

Catherine
PS: Illegal aliens = criminals and the companies that hire them are criminals too. LEGAL immigrants and citizens are just that LEGAL. Why give amnesty to criminals?!? NOT saying that she was legal or not legal = I have no clue.
 
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bogie, I write in a sort of shorthand that leaves things out, or lets people read between the lines. I do act as a gentleman, as much as I am able.

So when I said I wouldn't show my CCW, I didn't mean I'd spit venom and refuse in anger. I'd smile nicely. "Oh, no, that's for policemen to see, it's got nothing to do with airlines. It proves I have permission to carry concealed, that's all." It's not talking down, it's not rude. It's educational, it's polite.

She says she has to see it?

"Hmm. I wonder, have the airlines given you goofed up rules? I know you need to follow the rules. Mind if we get your supervisor over here, see if they've given you a screwy set of rules?"

That's the longhand form of what I wrote in shorthand form way back when the thread began. It's a shame that society is so terse and rude that people just assume you'll be rude unless you draw it all out in crayon.

It shouldn't have to be explained. All men should conduct themselves as gentlemen at all times.

~~~~~

Thank you. Good one too. Ladies too!

Respectfully yours,

Catherine
 
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