Cabelas strikes again!!

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A friend of mine called me last night to tell me she purchased her first firearm and she was so excited. I asked what it was and she says "S&W model 60 357" and a CCW purse and she "has it with her right now!" I said wait you have the gun in the purse? "Yep!" I said you don't have a permit! "Oh the guy at Cabelas said I didn't need one!" I inquired about price of the model 60 and was told $780. I figured that was a little steep so i got to looking and found them way cheaper.

Apparently when she walked in and told the counter guy she wanted a revolver he pointed her to Ruger and this S&W. I asked her if she knew what S&W meant and she stated "no" and laughs. I asked her why 357 and she said that's what he told her to get so she could shoot both 357 and 38! She says its kind of big for the purse but i like it! I said um yeah its not meant for that type of stuff!! She also proceeds to tell me how she didn't think it would be that expensive but the guy told her "S&W was the best and that's why". He also proceeded to sell her 3 boxes of 357mag cause they were "on sale"!

I am so pissed right now! I told her return it and she said they closed as i walked out the door. I said you don't need a model 60 with wood grips and a CCW purse you need a j frame and a little pocket holster if you want a revolver!! She says did i mess up? I said yes, big time! So tomorrow we will be going back to Cabelas to return it! He seen you coming a mile away or he's just another moron they hire to stand behind a counter! She is upset now and says they have a sign all firearm sales are final! I told her your first mistake was telling him you have never touched a gun before so he's going to get you into something expensive to make a sale! You don't need a 3.5/4'' barrel 357mag pro series handgun for a purse gun!! I asked if they had the little ones with a laser and she said yes but he didn't show those to me! She says the wood grips and size reminds her of her dads gun when she was a kid so she is thinking about keeping it but IMO its priced too high and too much gun for someone new to the sport or CCW.

She asked if she could think about it today if she wants to return it or not but i think that's the best choice. I'm afraid once she shoots it that it will steer her away from guns due to the recoil and what not. If she decides to return it they better hope they make this right cause ill go all the way to corporate!!

I cannot believe he would do this to her! She said she could have paid cash for a J frame but he talked her into opening a Cabelas club visa to save $50 and purchase the model 60!
 
I don't think she messed up all that much, if at all.

She can shoot 38 special in her 357 if she needs lighter loads. The heavier gun will make the recoil easier to manage in any case.

Just because you would prefer a J frame does not make it right for her.

A lot of women do not like belt holsters becasue they don't use belts. While I am not overjoyed with purse gun bags, they are not the worst choice IMO.

As for the finances of it, you should just mind your own business. If she is old enough to buy a gun she is old enough to decide how much to spend and how to finance the purchase.

The only thing I would fault the salesman for is the choice of ammo, but if it was sale type ammo, it may well be 357 that does not have the kick you might be expecting from full power loads.

She said she likes it. You should respect her decision and not try to tell her how wrong she is.
 
I have model 940 which weight wise is very similar to 60. The 60 is superior to 940 if chambered for .357. I would have picked up new stainless Colt .38 if I was in her place. The Colt is obviously superior to S&W.
The only good thing about light alloy framed J frames his that they are light but everything else about them is a minus.
 
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You took her joy over her new gun and turned into it sorrow because she didn’t buy what you wanted for a price you wanted.

Know what I do with people who make bad financial decisions I don’t agree with? I lead by example, answer honestly and tactfully when asked for advice, and otherwise mind my own business and keep my mouth shut.
 
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There is nothing wrong with .357 60. Matter of fact they made a run of 5" trail gun variety which were outstanding. As usual people didn't buy them and the product went away.
 
I thought the model 60 was a J frame with a 2.125" barrel?

It is but it doesn't have stupid aluminum frame meaning is doest kick meaning it is not good.:uhoh:why folks recommend them to new gun owners is beyond me. The new stainless Colt is obviously much better choice.
 
My wife likes to shoot her Ruger SP101 3" with moderate 38spl loads. She shot my LCR 38 one time with a light load, now she won't touch it.
Get some 38 special ammo and help your friend learn to shoot her new pistol.
 
The model 60 is a j-frame. If she got the pro it's prolly got a 3 inch barrel. It's still lighter and smaller than an sp101. iIRC you own a j-frame as well, set them side by side and compare their size,it's probably leas than you think. If it's a purse gun she's probably better off with that than a 1 7/8 snubby that's going to recoil alot more, and be much more difficult to shoot for a new shooter. Even with the laser.

She should keep it, just make sure she gets some .38 specials and shoots those for a while and work up to the .357's. in all honesty it may have been pricey,but it's a hell of a gun.
 
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ohihunter2014

While it's a bit pricey I don't think there's anything wrong with a Performance Center Pro Series Model 60. A 3.5" barrel is a decent length and the adjustable rear sight will help her get a better sight picture when she's shooting. And like ilbob wrote there's nothing wrong with her starting out shooting .38 Special target loads just so she can familiarize herself with how the gun operates and how it feels when she shoots it.

The wife of a friend of mine wanted a revolver for CCW but didn't care for his Taurus Model 85 snubnose. I found her a S&W Model 638 with a 2.5" full under-lug barrel and she loved it. And since she didn't really have any pants that could accommodate a gun belt, I bought her a CCW purse which had different size holsters that attached with Velcro to the inside lining of the main pocket.

If you want to help your friend maybe get her enrolled in a CCW class so she get her concealed carry license and legally tote her new revolver.
 
Just a couple of quick observations. As far as revolvers go for personal protection, the S&W 60 is a fine one. The .357 version gives a bit more weight and one can handle light .357 loads if you wish as well as powder puff .38 SPC wadcutters. The 158 +p .38 Special with lead hollow point SWC's is a fine defensive load that should not give that much blast nor recoil in that revolver. If you can find it, the 100 grain Pow'rball and 110 gr. hollow points by Corbon in .357 mag are quite manageable with a loud bark but not much recoil (comparatively) and the Powr'ball is the most accurate ammo that I have ever fired in .357 aside from reloads.

Now, a few downsides, aside from price and Cabela's sales tactics, all the model 60's that I have seen have the hammer spur. In a purse, an open top holster may result in the hammer getting cocked by something in the purse. Not likely, but something to watch for. Solution is get one with a retaining strap. Second, it is heavy with a pretty significant trigger pull in DA (never train in defensive shooting in SA under the KISS principle). It does require practice to keep from pulling the shot due to the heavy trigger pull and the short sight radius. One thing that can help is crimson trace grips and practice via dry firing.

At this point, be a good friend and help her break it in. Firing ammo is the best way to smooth the trigger and mechanism and improve her ability to shoot and aim the beast.
 
I don't think she messed up all that much, if at all.

She can shoot 38 special in her 357 if she needs lighter loads. The heavier gun will make the recoil easier to manage in any case.

Just because you would prefer a J frame does not make it right for her.

A lot of women do not like belt holsters becasue they don't use belts. While I am not overjoyed with purse gun bags, they are not the worst choice IMO.

As for the finances of it, you should just mind your own business. If she is old enough to buy a gun she is old enough to decide how much to spend and how to finance the purchase.

The only thing I would fault the salesman for is the choice of ammo, but if it was sale type ammo, it may well be 357 that does not have the kick you might be expecting from full power loads.

She said she likes it. You should respect her decision and not try to tell her how wrong she is.
She asked my opinion because we have been friends for awhile and thought to herself afterwards she was taken to the cleaners. I gave my opinion the point of my OP was the sales guy skipped over everything in a more economical price range and economical size and caliber and gave her a gun with adjustable sights, hammer, 357 with 357 ammo. I spoke with 2 friends who are police firearm instructors and they said she will shoot 357 and probably not like it and not want to shoot the gun. I don't want her to get a J frame but she was very adamant about wanting a revolver for her purse. IMO the hammer and adjustable rear sights and size of the gun is bad for a purse gun. Me being a larger man i would CCW that revolver but not try and shove it in a purse. A j frame, LCR or bersa or LC9 maybe but not a damn near full size revolver. When she attempted to take it out the hammer caught on the inside of the purse. I'm just concerned that she got more than she could handle cause someone she trusted told her that's what she needed for a sale. I offered to take her to a range and rent every gun she wanted to help her make her decision.

Is it a nice piece? Yes, but for someone who just lost their job and now going through a divorce doesn't need Cabelas trying to make a sale on a weak customer. If she wants protection a $400 firearm does just the same as the pro series she was steered towards.

Yes, I'm pissed because i feel when she said i don't know what to get why would he skip over actual firearms like the J frame which BTW I'm not a super fan of and go right to a medium to almost full size revolver? If she just wanted to target shoot then heck yeah get the model 60 but a purse gun? I'm sorry guys but i don't agree with a wood gripped model 60. That's a target/nostalgia gun and not one she needs to have to possibly protect herself.
 
I don't think she messed up all that much, if at all.
She can shoot 38 special in her 357 if she needs lighter loads. The heavier gun will make the recoil easier to manage in any case.
Just because you would prefer a J frame does not make it right for her.
A lot of women do not like belt holsters becasue they don't use belts. While I am not overjoyed with purse gun bags, they are not the worst choice IMO.
As for the finances of it, you should just mind your own business. If she is old enough to buy a gun she is old enough to decide how much to spend and how to finance the purchase.
The only thing I would fault the salesman for is the choice of ammo, but if it was sale type ammo, it may well be 357 that does not have the kick you might be expecting from full power loads.
She said she likes it. You should respect her decision and not try to tell her how wrong she is.
I agree 100%. Maybe 357 mag was a poor ammo choice, but I don't think the gun was a bad decision. If she likes it, and shoots mild loads in it, and carries it, what's wrong with a model 60? Hell, she could be a recoil junky and have no problem with 357 mags.

Telling her she doesn't need a permit? I'm guessing he meant she didn't need a permit to buy, not that she didn't need one to carry concealed. However, the salesman may have messed up, or since she was probably excited and maybe didn't hear him right or misunderstood. He may have also meant to carry openly.

You took her joy over their gun and turned into it sorrow because she didn’t buy what you wanted for a price you wanted.
I also agree. Now the experience has a negative tone, which probably isn't what she needs.

I thought the model 60 was a J frame with a 2.125" barrel?
It is a J frame, but if you look at S&W's website, there are a few different variants with different barrel lengths.

I've met a lot of incompetent gun counter folks, but I don't think it's all that bad of a situation.
 
I said wait you have the gun in the purse? "Yep!" I said you don't have a permit! "Oh the guy at Cabelas said I didn't need one!"
I don't know where you or you friend are ohihunter (Ohio?) but concealed carry permits aren't required here in Idaho. If they are required where your friend is located, I believe I'd be having a talk with "the guy at Cabela's" manager.
As to all of that other stuff (whether or not your friend should have bought a Model 60, how much she paid for it, what kind of ammo she bought, and whether or not she should carry it in a concealed carry purse), it's her money. At least it was her money; now it's Cabela's.:D
 
ohihunter2014

While it's a bit pricey I don't think there's anything wrong with a Performance Center Pro Series Model 60. A 3.5" barrel is a decent length and the adjustable rear sight will help her get a better sight picture when she's shooting. And like ilbob wrote there's nothing wrong with her starting out shooting .38 Special target loads just so she can familiarize herself with how the gun operates and how it feels when she shoots it.

The wife of a friend of mine wanted a revolver for CCW but didn't care for his Taurus Model 85 snubnose. I found her a S&W Model 638 with a 2.5" full under-lug barrel and she loved it. And since she didn't really have any pants that could accommodate a gun belt, I bought her a CCW purse which had different size holsters that attached with Velcro to the inside lining of the main pocket.

If you want to help your friend maybe get her enrolled in a CCW class so she get her concealed carry license and legally tote her new revolver.
She brought up about the weight and i told her i have a model 10 i can get whenever i want and she can target shoot the mess out of that and when it comes to her ex coming after her the recoil wont be an issue or noticeable if she needs to use it.

Her ccw purse has a large zipper pocket on the bottom of the purse to accommodate the gun. Now she must unzip the pocket and pull out her gun.
 
Just a couple of quick observations. As far as revolvers go for personal protection, the S&W 60 is a fine one. The .357 version gives a bit more weight and one can handle light .357 loads if you wish as well as powder puff .38 SPC wadcutters. The 158 +p .38 Special with lead hollow point SWC's is a fine defensive load that should not give that much blast nor recoil in that revolver. If you can find it, the 100 grain Pow'rball and 110 gr. hollow points by Corbon in .357 mag are quite manageable with a loud bark but not much recoil (comparatively) and the Powr'ball is the most accurate ammo that I have ever fired in .357 aside from reloads.

Now, a few downsides, aside from price and Cabela's sales tactics, all the model 60's that I have seen have the hammer spur. In a purse, an open top holster may result in the hammer getting cocked by something in the purse. Not likely, but something to watch for. Solution is get one with a retaining strap. Second, it is heavy with a pretty significant trigger pull in DA (never train in defensive shooting in SA under the KISS principle). It does require practice to keep from pulling the shot due to the heavy trigger pull and the short sight radius. One thing that can help is crimson trace grips and practice via dry firing.

At this point, be a good friend and help her break it in. Firing ammo is the best way to smooth the trigger and mechanism and improve her ability to shoot and aim the beast.
I offered to let her shoot a j frame with light 38spl reloads with a crimson trace and she said he never showed that too her. I too am concerned about the hammer cause she says the trigger is heavier than mine and says but i can do this and cocks the hammer and dry fires it. I said nope! You need to shoot it in DA only because when its an oh crap situation your not going to mess with the hammer. I also don't like hammer guns in a purse because of it accidently being cocked. Hence why i am adamant about hammerless revolvers for her. I can just see her digging in the purse or not liking the DA trigger and cocking the thing and getting hurt. When i had her dry fire it in DA she jerks it a lot also and says its heavy. I told her maybe a small semi auto with a safety would be good. Not such a heavy trigger pull.
 
ohihunter2014

The purse I bought for my friend's wife has a large center compartment with a vertical opening that the gun and holster go into. The opening is located on the back side of the purse. This way it's immediately accessible to her without having to fumble around with a zipper. She likes it but her only complaint was that it didn't have a "designer" label on it. I told her I didn't have that much money to spend on a CCW purse and that you really don't want people eyeing up your designer purse just for the "name" on it!
 
I guess if she had asked me I would have suggested a Kimber K6 with a 2" barrel as I think it would be a better option in a purse, with a more snag free profile and a sixth shot. Plus she was already mostly there on price anyway. But, ultimately she has to get what she wants.

You may be able to mitigate the purse, sight, hammer spur snag potential if you get a holster and attach it to the inside of the purse to put a layer of kydex or leather between the gun and fabric.
 
I don't know where you or you friend are ohihunter (Ohio?) but concealed carry permits aren't required here in Idaho. If they are required where your friend is located, I believe I'd be having a talk with "the guy at Cabela's" manager.
As to all of that other stuff (whether or not your friend should have bought a Model 60, how much she paid for it, what kind of ammo she bought, and whether or not she should carry it in a concealed carry purse), it's her money. At least it was her money; now it's Cabela's.:D
Yes, Ohio law states she needs a permit. I'm not sure what he told her but she said he told her she could transport to the range in her new purse. I told her if i pulled her over and she told me she had a handgun in that purse with no permit we would have a problem! I explained keep in the trunk in the case and ammo in glove box do not take to the range in the ccw purse! Im not upset with her in the least im upset that several other cheaper and better options were overlooked possibly to sell a higher priced firearm.
 
ohihunter2014

The purse I bought for my friend's wife has a large center compartment with a vertical opening that the gun and holster go into. This way it's immediately accessible to her without having to fumble around with a zipper. She likes it but her only complaint was that it didn't have a "designer" label on it. I told her I didn't have that much money to spend on a CCW purse and that you really don't want people eyeing up your designer purse just for the "name" on it!
Id be good with something like that. Hers has a compartment right on the bottom for it. I said yeah open zipper, reach in and hes on you like a fly before you get that zipper open.
 
460Shooter

You may be able to mitigate the purse, sight, hammer spur snag potential if you het a holster and attach it to the inside of the purse to put a layer of kydex or leather between the gun and fabric.

That sounds exactly like the set-up with the CCW purse I bought her. Found it at a gun show from a vendor who only carried CCW purses, portfolios, and gun cases. Lots of different sizes, designs, and of course colors and materials used. Thought that one I got had the best features and size for everyday use without drawing any undo attention to the purse itself.
 
Thats a great gun for a new shooter when loaded with 38s.

Sounds like you rained on her parade and she didn’t buy the gun you wanted her to buy. Sounds like the Cabela’s guy did his job well espcially for somebody that isnt paid commish.

Edit, I don’t know of Ohio’s laws but it sounds like the clerk was correct if he told her she could take it to the range in the purse. The purse is the same as a backpack or gun case.

Not sure what the issue is. The first lesson I ever learned in sales is don’t assume what I can afford or want to buy is what the customer can afford or wants to buy.

HB
 
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You took her joy over her new gun and turned into it sorrow because she didn’t buy what you wanted for a price you wanted.

Know what I do with people who make bad financial decisions I don’t agree with? I lead by example, answer honestly and tactfully when asked for advice, and otherwise mind my own business and keep my mouth shut.
Exactly.

If you are such a good friend, you should have gone with her.

You cannot buy a gun, then simply return it because you change your mind. Once it’s transferred to your name it’s considered used, even if it’s never fired.

Not everyone always wants the cheapest price. For some, the idea of a decent selection is more important

If she’s getting divorced and doesn’t have a lot of money, why is she buying a new pistol in the first place?

I have no idea why she wanted an opinion afterwards, but IMO you did her a significant disservice in several ways

If you look objectively at the responses so far, you’ll see that the vast majority agree with me
 
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Don't get me started on the foolishness of off body carry. I have no problems with the revolver she chose. However the method of carry....
 
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