SO...what became of the 30 Super Carry?

[MikeInOr]

It will pass into the archives like 22 TCM did.

I love my .22 TCM! I have no interest in the 30 super carry though. I subscribe to the bigger the hole it makes the better when it comes to self defense rounds (45acp). Is there anything besides the Sheild (and a couple 1911) that are available in .30SC?

.22 TCM is just a ton of fun to shoot, not something I ever plan to use for sd.

 

[JDeere]

The latest NRA magazine has a cover story about HiPoint's new 30SC carbine.

HiPoint. 30SC. Not interested.

Yep I read that article and there wont be one in my stash or anything in .30 super carry. There is just no reason why I need another round much less that cheap carbine. Of course it's all about marketing that sells the new and improved...

Did you read the article on the Girsan 10mm 1911? That's for another thread I suppose...

 

[bnolsen]

e point is higher capacity than 9mm, with lower recoil, but equal performance.

I'm not sold on it... yet.

The claim was equal performance but reviewers like Paul Harrell showed that the round is not only less effective but also much more expensive and not nearly as available. It's a solution looking for a problem.

 

[SterlingBullet]

It'll be popular when manufacturers start building guns to the slimness the cartridge will allow; up until now we've only gotten the equivalent of 9MM pistols based on .40 designs.

A pistol that is 1/8" thinner than a 9MM could be would be pretty interesting, IMHO.

Larry

Perhaps the magazine could become the grip in order to get the girth down a little but increase capacity.

 

[starling]

The claim was equal performance but reviewers like Paul Harrell showed that the round is not only less effective but also much more expensive and not nearly as available. It's a solution looking for a problem.

Seems like the manufacturers have basically given up on it as well given the push for these new 22wmr pistols. Im not a big believer in rimfire for a defensive cartridge so I fond it extremely odd Walther and S&W took that route. A .25 Super Carry would have been a whole lot more interesting. Something like a double stack 25 Super in a pistol the size of an light pocket 380 would be an interesting.

Also seeing a push now from manufacturers for 9mm pistols chambered down to 380acp for ease of shooting/handling so that will make the 30 Super Carry takes more of a back seat. Ruger Security 380, Sig P365, and S&W all have done it now.

If Ruger offered a conversion kit for the LC9/EC9 series in 30 Super Carry I would give it a shot. I could see that making an interesting pairing. Not going to happen though. People need to stock up on ammo and brass while they can. I have yet to see any 30 Super Carry brass at our Clubs range. Im not getting the 10mm vibe from it either. 30Super carry has more of a 32naa/25naa vibe to it.

 

[12Bravo20]

I would love to see a conversion kit for Glocks to shoot 30SC. But I do like shooting some not so popular calibers. I like my 9mm Largo and 38 Super pistols. I also still shoot quite a bit of 40 S&W too.

While I find the 30SC interesting and wouldn't mind having a pistol chambered in it, I don't see 30SC taking off unless more manufactures start chambering more pistols for it.

32ACP has been used for a long time by militaries, police and civilians for self defense and the 30SC is basically just a magnum version of 32 ACP.

 

[InTheSwamp]

A 30SC case necked down to accept a 6.5mm bullet...now we're talking!!

 

[Slamfire]

Upping the pressure is not a good thing.

30 Super Carry has a currently listed maximum loading pressure of 45,000 psi—which is not yet SAAMI-approved—which is 10,000 psi greater than the 9mm’s SAAMI-approved pressure

30 Super Carry vs 9mm | Ammo Face Off

The hosanna's the influencer is singing about for the "wonderful performance" advantages are all due to higher pressures. Doing the same thing at lower pressure is better. The pressure curve is exponential, the higher up the slope, the more little things create massive pressure perturbations. Any one remember the era of "Super Face"?. Competitors pushing 38 Supers to major were blowing case heads in their 1911's. I think the 30 Super Carry honeymoon will be short.

Here is my advice. Buy all the 30 Super Carry unfired brass you can, and all the new proprietary magazines you can. Wait a decade or more, and you will be able to sell the brass at ridiculously high prices, and the magazines will sell for $200 or more. Just like Bren Ten owners, the owners of 30 Super Carry pistols will pay darn near anything to own a reliable magazine. It will be that, or their pistol is a paper weight.

 

[drband]

It will pass into the archives like 22 TCM did.

Probably.

I love my .22 TCM! I have no interest in the 30 super carry though. I subscribe to the bigger the hole it makes the better when it comes to self defense rounds (45acp). Is there anything besides the Sheild (and a couple 1911) that are available in .30SC?

.22 TCM is just a ton of fun to shoot, not something I ever plan to use for sd.

I reload .22TCM for the fun of it! It’s a hoot to shoot, and I always have folks asking about it and where to get a gun that shoots it when I take it to the range. Not every cartridge has a practical use, it seems.

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

I was going to get a RIA 9MM/22 TCM. There was a sale on them. It would have been 500.00 OTD. The LGS couldn't get one. The distributor sold out.

 

[drband]

I was going to get a RIA 9MM/22 TCM. There was a sale on them. It would have been 500.00 OTD. The LGS couldn't get one. The distributor sold out.

Fun gun, I i have one!!

 

[Dave DeLaurant]

Funny, I see a fair quantity of the ammo here, but not a single pistol in .30 SC is on our hideous approved roster. That means legal sales in the People's Republic are LEO only. Which in turn means a large handgun market can't buy or own one of these even if they wanted to.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Dies are on clearance! components and guns SOON!

 

[Mycin]

Yep I read that article and there wont be one in my stash or anything in .30 super carry. There is just no reason why I need another round much less that cheap carbine. Of course it's all about marketing that sells the new and improved...

Did you read the article on the Girsan 10mm 1911? That's for another thread I suppose...

I skimmed it. I love the idea. Looks like they had a few issues with it during testing.

 

[lincen]

I have an interest in all 32 caliber handguns, pistol or revolver. The 30 SC just didn’t check enough boxes for me and I have 7 guns in the hard to find 32 H&R magnum. But, about six weeks ago I saw a Shield Plus for sale at a real good price with 50 rounds of ammo. Couldn’t resist it and have not regretted buying it. Like the post above said, just hold on to it for a few years……who knows…..

 

[TTv2]

I have an interest in all 32 caliber handguns, pistol or revolver. The 30 SC just didn’t check enough boxes for me and I have 7 guns in the hard to find 32 H&R magnum. But, about six weeks ago I saw a Shield Plus for sale at a real good price with 50 rounds of ammo. Couldn’t resist it and have not regretted buying it. Like the post above said, just hold on to it for a few years……who knows…..

While I'm not ready to proclaim the caliber dead because there's a chance an innovative pistol is made that is built specifically for the .30, it's not one I'm looking to buy until there are more options.

If given the choice, I'd rather have Federal and S&W start cranking out .32 NAA guns and ammo instead. That is by far the most practical semi auto .32 caliber out there and the industry couldn't give a crap about it.


Apparently the only new pistol calibers that can be made must reach 300 ft/lbs or else it will be called underpowered and treated like a .22

 

[GooseGestapo]

SAAMI accepted/approved the .30SC in 2022.
Old news.
Remember, the FBI went back to the 9mm NOT because it was better, but it checks more “boxes”.

CHEAPER!: Check
Greater capacity: Check
Lower recoil: Check
Lower muzzle blast:. Check
Lighter weight:. Check
Easier to qualify trainees:. Check
Politically correct: CHECK
Adequate: Check
Note how many different cartridges/loads have been re-engineering to “meet” but not exceed the FBI “protocol”.
Of course which is subject to change, pending next disastrous engagement.

 

[starling]

Anyone with a Shield 9mm and a 30 Super carry should try changing the uppers and magazines to see if everything checks out function wise. My guess would be they are using the same frame (hopefully anyways). In that case Shield 30 Super owners just get a parts kit and full upper for the 9mm and worst case scenario you have a 30 Super Carry conversion kit. Then you can have your cake and eat it too. Practice with the 9mm and carry the 30 super if thats your wish. Ive basically done that with Tokarevs years. Most of my trigger time is with 9mm Toks because I save the 7.62x25 most of the time. Thats one of the nice things about multi caliber pistols.

 

[Armybrat]

It'll be popular when manufacturers start building guns to the slimness the cartridge will allow; up until now we've only gotten the equivalent of 9MM pistols based on .40 designs.

A pistol that is 1/8" thinner than a 9MM could be would be pretty interesting, IMHO.

Larry

Kahr is pretty good at extra thin designs with their single stacks, but haven’t done anything with double stacks yet.

 

[starling]

If the cartridge can survive I would go for a double stack LC9/EC9 version as they are exceptionally thin as is. Im not sure if they could take that much pressure though in the long hall. Seems like you would want a steel subframe. Maybe something like a double stack Nano as they are +p rated from the factory. Unfortunately its no going to happen. We may not see any new 30 super carry pistols designed around the cartridge at this point. Its a head scratcher trying to figure out what Federal was thinking when they took this road without having things lined up with a major manufacturer past shoehorning it into an already existing design. I can only guess they were rushing to get it out there.

Chamber it a nice little bolt action. Im not sure what 30 Super does out of a 16" barrel but it could make a good small game round. Do it in a youth rifle like the Henry or Cricket and Ill but one for the kids. The highest those go is 22wmr and I would prefer a centerfire for them. Could make a nice lever or pump action round as well.

Someone needs to bring back the Timberwolf 357 pump action BTW. Sorry.. Off topic.

 

[herrwalther]

I don't see any 30 Super Carry guns sitting on the shelves of gun stores. So they are either being bought a lot to beat the stockers. Or they aren't being bought enough of to keep in inventory. My bet is the latter.

 

[GooseGestapo]

I don't see any 30 Super Carry guns sitting on the shelves of gun stores. So they are either being bought a lot to beat the stockers. Or they aren't being bought enough of to keep in inventory. My bet is the latter.

Haven’t been to Academy Sports lately?
Plenty on shelves. Prices have moderated too.

 

[12Bravo20]

The last few times I have been to Academy Sports, there is always some 30 SC ammo on the shelves and they also have the S&W EZ in stock too.

 

[drobs]

I'm still waiting for the 41AE to make a come back.

 

[amd6547]

If I were to jump into a newer, expensive and hard to find ammo, it’d be 5.7.