So what's the Anti's problem with pistol grips?

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I was just reviewing a video clip where an anti-gun group says that pistol grips on AR-15s are especially dangerous, because "they allow guns to be fired from the hip."

OK, so what is it about firing from the hip that scares the anti-gunners? I know that the Hollywood image of a Rambo firing from the hip is a vivid (but fictional) image, but it seems to me that the anti-gunners should applaud anyone who wants to fire from the hip. After all, it's not like it would be especially ACCURATE fire.

Beside,s I can fire "frim the hip" with a standard stock, too. In an earlier era, there were GOOD guys in movies firing M-1 Garands and BARs from the hip.

Overall, I guess "firing from the hip" is just another slogan that can be mindlessly repeated, as if it is a powerful argument, but in fact it's just hot air.

Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM7dy7JbsX8&feature=related

BTW: This clip also points out that the Beltway Bushwackers used an AR-15. Does anyone recall that they fired SINGLE SHOTS, so any bolt action rifle would have suited their purposes?

I know, I know. I'm looking for logic, and the anti-gunners' arguments are not rooted in logic.

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An SKS or any other rifle can be fired from the hip. They're using the gun's appearance to generate fear. What they're trying to legislate is the natural evolution of firearm ergonomics. With a pistol grip, you can shoot with your elbow lower and closer to your body, increasing comfort and reducing fatigue. You can also carry the firearm more easily and flip it to your shoulder for faster aimed shots. It's nothing more than superior ergonomics. It's handling. That's all it is. It has no effect on its lethality or other capabilities.

Carl, think about it: it makes it less practical to shoot multiple shots in a row. It thus makes the firearm less suitable for extended use, arguably making it less capable of being used for mass murders. They think civilians have no legitimate reason to fire more than 5 shots at a time. Never mind home defense.
 
Exactly what Carl said "Because it makes it look scary, that's why they don't like it."
 
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They look like a killing tool pure and simple. A shotgun with wood stocks and deep blue finish will never phase these guys but you put BLACK anything on it and make it look like a trench gun then its bad.

Youd think seeing them would burn your retinas out.

Luckily I am of a practical nature and understand the worthlessness of the barrel shroud on my 590SP. I know that it is not the barrel shroud that should scare people it is the .729 inch bore.

That video is kind of funny BTW.

The pistol grip is good for all the reasons Mike the Wolf said but I definitely wouldnt want it in the dove fields.
 
"Pistol grips" are found on evil, black rifles with shoulder things that go up, that's why. Never mind that most rifles designed since 1898 have sported pistol grips, as opposed to the straight grip on my M96 swede. The reviled pistol grip is a hallmark of a submachine gun, and Al Capone's thugs used machine guns. It is therefore to be feared and eliminated.

It's one of the more salient features of tools that they can't understand, but helps them to know it when they see it. They can't describe it by function, because an AR type rifle does nothing that a Winchester model 100 or commercial Browning Auto Rifle won't do. Except for that evil pistol grip (it doesn't really help hip shooting, but that should be encouraged anyway so fewer targets are hit), "banana clip", bayo mount and flash hider, it would just be another semi-automatic rifle. Oh, and the black finish--these insure that the owner is up to something.
 
The material says "controlled accurate fire from the hip" (see VPC website)

But you are missing the point. It is all about incrementalism. Demonise one gun type, ban it and then move on to the next one.
 
But you are missing the point. It is all about incrementalism. Demonise one gun type, ban it and then move on to the next one.
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That's exactly right. These distinctions, like the argument that a gun with 11 rounds is more evil than one with 10, are not really grounded in reason. It's all about chipping away at gun rights in small increments. The soundness of the argument doesn't really matter, as long as they can think up some rationale.
 
Because it makes it look scary...
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You wanna talk about scary, I bought a Hogue grip for my AR-10(they have finger grooves). I put it on and was afraid to be in the room with it by myself...even my dog ran and hid under the bed.
 
Well ya see, pistol grips are on guns, and thus they're bad. They have no other use then to be on a gun afterall right? Anything to do with guns MUST be bad, so we should start banning parts, until we've completly banned guns.

Heck, given time I'm sure SOMEONE will try to pass a law that bans the ownership of a gun barrel...
 
I think those nasty pistol grips on forends are just ever so icky-poo.

I think they ought to ban these, too:

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They are just ever so nasty.

And these little doohicky buttons which release the trigger guard so you can use the gun more effectively with gloves on should be banned:

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They are also icky.

And it looks like a person could get a boo-boo on this... and it looks just terribly awful, too:

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After all, if it saves one life, it's worth it.

After all, it's for the children.
 
I read in the Congressional Quarterly (CQ Researcher that Congressmen use to research topics before they vote on them) that pistol grips were deemed evil because, as others have said, they let you fire from the hip. I don't know about you guys, but a sporter stock is a lot more comfortable to hold at the hip than a pistol grip. Your wrist has to bend a lot less.

The argrument against barrel shrouds/heat shields is that they allow a person to (again) fire from the hip by holding the barrel and releasing a stream of bullets in a wide swath. Not word for word, but pretty close. I really had to fight the urge not to fall over laughing in the quiet library in which I read this. :barf:
 
I don't know about you guys, but a sporter stock is a lot more comfortable to hold at the hip than a pistol grip
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I can't really agree with that.

A PG allows a natural hand angle. A stock cranks your wrist forward more at the hip.

Here's an example, despite his leaning back.


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What they're trying to legislate is the natural evolution of firearm ergonomics.
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Exactly. They want to keep us in the late 1800's/early 1900's in what concerns firearms technology.
 
Mob Mentality.

Not just Anti's, any group with a "cause" or "agenda" has followers that have no clue as to what is going on.

Buzzwords are "brainwashed" , "re-defined" ,"interpreted" to get folks to band together.

TPTB know how to entice new folks by pushing the right buttons. It does matter if the new folks ever fully understand, as all the TPTB needs are followers, money and to get more folks to rally behind them.

MSM does it to "one up" the competition and get ratings.

Something does not have to make sense or be understood if Mob Mentality works to further a cause or agenda.
 
I think that a pistol grip makes it easier to bump-fire a gun. That's probably why a lot of antis hate them.
 
You'd think that they would encourage shooting from the hip, since it's much more inaccurate that firing from the shoulder. Er wait... BAD logic! Bad pistol grips!
 
To the antis, bump firing would be translated as "readily converting semi-automatic weapons into machine guns" or something stupid like that.
 
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