ThrottleJockey
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Shut up about bump firing, I would like to keep my fingers!
So what's the Anti's problem with pistol grips?
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230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
If one pursues the "if it saves one life it's worth it" concept all the way, we ought to have computer-controlled traffic lights on every dirt road intersection in the land.
"Think of the children! Won't anybody puh-leeze think of the children!" --Perennial distraught UltraMom on "The Simpsons"
Terry, 230RN
"Think of the children! Won't anybody puh-leeze think of the children!" --Perennial distraught UltraMom on "The Simpsons"
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ThrottleJockey
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when I shoot from the hip, it makes it easier to aim. I just line the sights up with my.....um....er....nevermind
KarenTOC
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Please attempt to explain bump firing to Nancy Pelosi here.
(and, as I read your explanation, I'll nod sagely and pretend that I already knew what it meant.)
Inaccurate fire is more dangerous for the innocent bystanders. Seriously!
Be that as it may, I think that the image that scares the antis is a bad guy with an UZI at his hip indiscriminately spraying fire around a McDonalds. Such things have happened a few times in recorded history. The idea really takes hold if the the UZI is on full auto.
CoRoMo
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Bingo!!!
Owen Sparks
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After seeing guns like that being used by bad guys in enough movies, they subconsciously become a symbol for crime. I think that the technical term is 'associative emotions'. Emotions are reflexive responses that bypass critical reasoning. They allow us to make snap decisions without having to think. They are part of our primitive survival instincts that trigger the fight or flight response. How many people do you know that are afraid of snakes even after they KNOW that they are non poisonous varieties? It is because they associate snakes with fear on an emotional level and no amount of reasoning will get them to handle a non venomous snake. This quirk of the human psyche can be easily manipulated by a skilled orator. How many times have you heard an unscrupulous politician use "the children" as a reason for stronger gun control laws? People reflexively want to protect children at all costs and anything perceived as endangering children elicits very negative emotions in some people, especially those who are too lazy to think.
KarenTOC
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Thanks 23ORN!
Read it. Very clear explanation.
Read it. Very clear explanation.
mljdeckard
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They pick the rifle first, then pick features to ban the rifle.
The Lone Haranguer
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Where is the line between what is and is not a pistol grip drawn? This single-shot shotgun has a pistol grip:
Where does it end?
Where does it end?
Carl N. Brown
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guns dont kill people, trigger fingers do!
The antis problem with pistol grips? It is voodoo (symbolic) criminology and the ancient principle of the "scapegoat" blaming a thing for human problems and driving it out into the wilderness.
As far as that "innocent" single barrel shotgun goes, one of the drug-gang assassinations in Bristol TN was carried out with a pair of those, totally as NIB from the store, no hacksaw work, farmer Joe specials. But the antis would punish me for owning a folding stock AK47 that I shoot at cardboard in the military rifle matches.
Yeah I have a pistol grip shotgun for home defense and a conventionally stocked shotgun for field work. Shooting from the hip with the PG SG I always hit low; it is easier to point shoot from the hip and hit dead on with the full-size gun.
The antis problem with pistol grips? It is voodoo (symbolic) criminology and the ancient principle of the "scapegoat" blaming a thing for human problems and driving it out into the wilderness.
As far as that "innocent" single barrel shotgun goes, one of the drug-gang assassinations in Bristol TN was carried out with a pair of those, totally as NIB from the store, no hacksaw work, farmer Joe specials. But the antis would punish me for owning a folding stock AK47 that I shoot at cardboard in the military rifle matches.
Yeah I have a pistol grip shotgun for home defense and a conventionally stocked shotgun for field work. Shooting from the hip with the PG SG I always hit low; it is easier to point shoot from the hip and hit dead on with the full-size gun.
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benEzra
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They don't go after pistol grips because they particularly dislike pistol grips. They went after pistol grips because they perceived them as relatively unfamiliar to the gun-404 public, and that therefore a scaremongering campaign aimed at rifles with pistol grips would be more likely to succeed than a scare campaign aimed at more traditional looking rifles. Remember that a keystone of the "assault weapon" fraud was intentional confusion of non-automatic civilian rifles with military full autos.
The problem for them was that by the time they hatched the "assault weapon" fraud, those particular horses were already out of the barn. They had no idea how mainstream AR's and whatnot already were, and their attempts to ban them only added fuel to the fire, such that EBR's now are by far the top selling rifles in America.
The problem for them was that by the time they hatched the "assault weapon" fraud, those particular horses were already out of the barn. They had no idea how mainstream AR's and whatnot already were, and their attempts to ban them only added fuel to the fire, such that EBR's now are by far the top selling rifles in America.
6_gunner
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Given that antis are known to have trouble differentiating between folding stocks and barrel shrouds, I highly doubt that they are aware of bump firing.
They would have to understand the difference between semi automatic firearms and fully automatic firearms before they could understand how bump firing works.
Heck, most of 'em probably couldn't even identify a pistol grip.
All of this is asking entirely too much from the antis. They aren't supposed to know things, they're supposed to feel things.
How is it that we're not trouncing these bumbling morons in the culture war?
Brian Dale
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True, PT1911; the Sharks and the Jets want to have black rifles like ours when they get older. 
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Same deal with duckbill hair cuts, leather jackets, a pack of smokes rolled under the T-Shirt sleeve. One was a "thug" or "hoodlum".
Rock-n-Roll was "the devil reincarnated" said the preacher on TV breaking a 45 vinyl record.
Elvis Presley was not shown above the waist on TV, as below the waist those "gyrating hips were vulgar!"
Hey you shoulda been around in my HS days, early 70's with <gasp> girls burning bras and guys wearing long hair and with beards and mustaches no less.
A vehicle with Cragar Mags was "bad" and that '69 Chevelle, red, with black racing stripes, hood pins, 411 gears, Cragar Mags, Hurst 4 speed, jacked up in the back with wider tires on the rear "wide 60's for streets and slick 50's for airport road" were...evil, criminal, only heathens had cars like this.
Granted, I have to agree, the 80's and Disco, especially the Bee Gees and Bee Groupies were a totally sick bunch and era.
I mean that era deserves the bad stereotype. *neener*
At least my era had tie dye that showed under blacklight.
Some of you folks in the 50's that were into pink and black and teddy bears have a serious problem of defining "bad" and are scary.
No wonder the dudes carried switch blades, I would have too...
Titan6
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That little switch makes it fully automatic. That is why you can't have it.... way too deadliesterly
Hungry Seagull
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50 years from now, we be using railgun technology and the Antis will still want to nueter them via chokers that regulate the amount of juice you can generate.
It will never end.
I recall a line from Braveheart... "Breed em out."
It will never end.
I recall a line from Braveheart... "Breed em out."
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Jeez, a "Happy Switch" on a knife. Cute concept.
As far as I'm concerned, "arms" means "arms," and a knife is an "arm," too.
Dang. I told you not to get me started --we've got enough to deal with right now with respect to fire"arms."
Let's get back to pistol grips. I didn't mean to get derailed here.
Actually, I think maybe the most effective pistol grip would be one that swung off to the side... maybe with a mechanism like the bayonet catch on the SKSs.
Having never fired anything full auto, I can't claim expertise, but it just seems that would be more ergonomic.
I'm also wondering if palm rests on competition rifles could be interpreted as "pistol grips" by the likes of Ms. McCarthy.
"It's the pot that the palm rests in." (Not a real quote, OK?)
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ThrottleJockey
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In Georgia you can buy and carry a "switchblade". Honestly they are about useless. I bought a couple there 2 years ago as novelty gifts for friends that have never even seen them, for Christmas.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
"Honestly they are about useless. (Switchblades)"
Until you get to be 70 and it gets hard to manipulate the stud or the fingernail slot to open them.
Back to mainline. Dang, I keep getting off on knives. Sorry.
Until you get to be 70 and it gets hard to manipulate the stud or the fingernail slot to open them.
Back to mainline. Dang, I keep getting off on knives. Sorry.
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