It's baffling that no one uses the vast aftermarket support to indict the small block Chevy V8 or the AR-15 but somehow, it's evidence that the 10/22 is crap? It defies logic and reason.
It’s strictly your opinion that the 10/22 is a significant step up in quality over a Model 60. Many, maybe as many as 50% or more users will disagree with you.
If I were going to buy a .22 then modify it I’d definitely get a 10/22. But I didn’t and most people that buy semi-auto .22’s don’t either. The bolt release on the 10/22 is a royal pain, say what you will. I have very thick fingers and the bolt release gives me fits. I’m certainly not taking offense but you are calling me silly just as you are everyone who has trouble with the bolt release. If anything I believe your statement was silly.
My belief is if you want a good semi out of the box with no mods then get a Model 60. If you want a nice precision semi then get a 10/22, mod it out and the end result is you have a nicer to very much nicer rifle than a Model 60, at considerably more cost.
Quality is not subjective. That the Ruger design is more user-serviceable is not subjective. The fact that the Ruger is investment cast aluminum and the Marlin is soft diecast crap is not subjective. The fact that the Marlin's trigger housing is cheap ABS plastic is not subjective. The fact that I wore out a Marlin but my Rugers are still going strong with a substantially higher round count is not subjective. The Ruger is a better rifle or folks wouldn't be pouring so much into them. Nobody spends $1000 to fix a crap rifle. Is it perfect? No. Is it a Cooper or Anschutz? Absolutely not but it is a better rifle than Marlin 60 or 795. Actually my Appleseed events were the first I'd seen a 795 up close in years and I was shocked at what a cheap rifle they are. Which is fine, they are what they are meant to be and for that, they are a good value. Not to mention that you can get the Ruger with a real walnut stock, in some cases French or Circassian walnut.
Sorry but the idea that millions of people are buying 10/22's to completely rebuild them is absurd. Those are but a fraction of the 10/22's in existence.
No, read my comments again. I did NOT say
anyone was silly. I said it was silly to complain about the bolt release. Why? I'll say it again, because it's all too easy to either learn how to use it, modify the part or replace it. I don't like the way it operates, so I fix it and move on with my life. It took longer to type this response than it would to fix it.
Popular misconception? That's nice, as usual inaccurate. Ruger users end up modifying their rifles because they can, agreed, some modify them because certain features suck. In so far a the definition of a safety hazard, it's pretty easy to see, now pay attention, as the shooter tries to move the bolt into battery, using the bolt release, the manipulation of that little lever is usually difficult, causing , in some cases the shooter to wave the muzzle tilt the rifle and generally become unaware of the safe direction of which the rifle is pointed, this usually occurs in the standing position, but is common in all others. That help?
In another post you mentioned that it was irrelevant if someone couldn't operate the controls, would you liken that to, say the brake system on a vehicle?
If it's not readily useable, other than in a modified state then it's defective. You go on to mention that quality is not subjective, well good, but then mention that all the modifications exist to not fix crap, but what? To augment it? Hey glad your a Ruger fan boy, I own them too, just like Marlins better. End of story
What features "suck", besides the bolt hold open lever?
Sorry but the 10/22 is imminently usable in its factory form. The fact that 'some' seem to have to much trouble with the bolt release is interesting. As I said, I've been using BOTH the Marlin and Ruger for 33yrs and 26yrs respectively. The Ruger's bolt release is not the easiest to use, certainly not as easy as it is when modified but it is easy. If you can't do it and keep your rifle pointed in a safe direction, I have to question whether you should be handling a firearm at all. The idea that it's a safety hazard is completely unfounded. In your seemingly blind hatred, do you forget that these rifles have been in constant production since 1964 and were produced for decades before Clark Custom Guns created the aftermarket for them in the `90's?
Not Ruger "fanboy" at all and my opinions will not be disregarded as those of a blind, Kool Aid drinking "fanboy". They're good rifles with great potential. The Marlin is what it is and if it's enough for you, there's nothing wrong with that. I love old Mossberg .22 rifles and the fact that they're usually cheap is a big plus. I don't have to convince myself that they're "just as good" as a Kimber to enjoy them.
No, we don't modify them to "augment crap". It might be to find a better fitting stock. It might be to achieve a certain appearance. It might be to make it more suitable for a particular purpose. It might be simply to make it as accurate as possible. Any of which might be just minor tweaks and it might be a complete overhaul. The point here is not that it needs those things but that the potential exists with the Ruger and none exists with the Marlin. I don't know why you Marlin true believers are so insecure about your choice?