Stevie-Ray
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Looks like a Winchie short in there.
When I was a young and dumb kid, a buddy of mine and me used to shoot one of those in his basement.
10/22 vs marlin 60?
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When I was a young and dumb kid, a buddy of mine and me used to shoot one of those in his basement.
GunnyUSMC
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It's a 1906. It shoots good but not as fun as a 10/22.Looks like a Winchie short in there.
SSN Vet
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I have a M 60 I bought at Wally World for $90 some 17 years ago and it is inexplicably a tack driver. I can sit there on the 50 yard line and blow out the 10 ring of a target all day long while yawning.
And as previously noted... it doesn't like the dirtiest or the dirty .22 LR ammo (i.e. Remington Thunderbolt). With decent ammo (Winchester, Federal, CCI) I've never had any problems at all and the tube mag has been very reliable.
A buddy had a 10/22 back in the day and I always thought the little rotary mag was a PITA, but that was 35 years ago and they may well have changed.
And as previously noted... it doesn't like the dirtiest or the dirty .22 LR ammo (i.e. Remington Thunderbolt). With decent ammo (Winchester, Federal, CCI) I've never had any problems at all and the tube mag has been very reliable.
A buddy had a 10/22 back in the day and I always thought the little rotary mag was a PITA, but that was 35 years ago and they may well have changed.
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What is the diameter of that ten ring?
dak0ta
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I got to shoot my Ruger 10/22 Liberty Training Rifle (Tech Sights and USGI Web Sling) at 25 meters today with a variety of 22lr brands and it's on average a consistent 2-3 MOA rifle with its favourite ammo when benched with peep sights. I would not consider myself a professional marksman but not a newbie either. No surprise that it groups well with the CCI Std Velocity, Mini-Mags, and Blazer. The American Eagle 40gr LRN isn't bad either, but prints about +1.5" high, which when tested at 50m was dead on zero. The Blazer flyer was omitted. The accuracy is good enough for government work aka small game hunting.
My Ruger 10/22 is stock factory. I've only done the auto-bolt release, and wet-sanded the interior of the receiver to remove overspray from the factory. Also wet-sanded the bolt guide. Stock factory trigger.
My Ruger 10/22 is stock factory. I've only done the auto-bolt release, and wet-sanded the interior of the receiver to remove overspray from the factory. Also wet-sanded the bolt guide. Stock factory trigger.
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Sorry the same old tired nonsense is true.
Both guns are built to a price point and both guns are about a far from a high quality as you can get, one works better and it is not the ruger.
So why is there such an aftermarket for stuff like getting the magazine out....because it is stupid and a huge pain. So many barrels get hung on this turd to make it shoot halfway well.
Then the other side of the coin is it is so easy to mod up and people like that....they KNOW they are making it better as it is pretty impossible to make it worse....so they get to play pretend gunsmith.
I own 3 of the tomato stakes, and only one is under my roof at the moment....I am not really interested in getting it back.
You can stick with your no one needs more then 10 rounds bill ruger item, I will take something else, and still say that every day of the week out of the box anything will shoot better and be more reliable then a 10/22
They have not changed.....and yet another idea that the ruger fanboi's think he came up with.
CraigC
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100% nonsense, from start to finish.
Everything is built to a price point. In this case, the Ruger is a better rifle than the Marlin. If you didn't have an axe to grind, you might understand that. Because you really don't have a clue what you're talking about.
It's a funny thing that Ruger has sold millions upon millions of these rifles and you're one of a very small group I've seen complain about their reliability. I've been shooting them for 20yrs, own five of them and have yet to encounter these junk guns you speak of.
People replace the extractor because aftermarket barrels have a tighter chamber and 'sometimes' the extractor needs to help.
The aftermarket came about because Clark Custom Guns saw a need for an accurate semi-auto for competition use. Not to "fix junk" as you falsely claim. The aftermarket exists because the 10/22 is an excellent platform for customization. It's easy to work on, easy to replace parts and the major component is that the end user can change the barrel in minutes. People don't change the barrel to make them "halfway well". A good barrel will have the Ruger shooting with ANY sub-$1000 boltgun.
So you've bought yet another 10/22 since the last time you ranted about what junk they are???
The crap about 10rds is the popular news media version. I'm not going to bother explaining what really happened because all you care about is your agenda. Suffice to say that Bill Ruger is long dead and the company has been making high capacity magazines for years.
troy fairweather
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Yup
Yup what he said and I have had more marlin 60 buffers brake then id like to see
Just like a Hillary supporter....facts will never change their minds.
I hear you...my no serial 60, and I just had to replace that thing....what that buffer is only 40 years old....what garbage.
CraigC
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Says the guy completely devoid of facts but nice try.
Tell me again about screwing in AR barrels?
Jerseykris
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I own both the Model 60, which I got first, and the 10/22 which I got some years later.
I'm definitely biased towards the 60, and of the two, it's my personal preference.
My tube mag has never had an issue, nothing has ever broken on it after 8-10,000+ rounds run through it, and still a track driver to this day. I've never made a single modification, not even a trigger job (I learned to live with trigger shortcomings out of the box.) Just scope change outs.
My 10/22 has had magazine issues, reliability issues and is a hair less accurate. But NONE of the above have been major drawbacks, just minor & VERY infrequent inconveniences. But I've gotten to "know" the rifle over the years, and it continues to be an oft used member of my shooting family.
I recommend to all the 10/22 owners, and the 60 owners (if you haven't already) to go out and buy the opposing model. Make it your own, shoot it often. Unless you get a dud from the factory, I think you'll find they both have a place in your arsenals.
Now, if we really want to get people arguing, I'll throw in the the Remi 597 is better than both of them...
(No, no, no - totally just kidding)
I'm definitely biased towards the 60, and of the two, it's my personal preference.
My tube mag has never had an issue, nothing has ever broken on it after 8-10,000+ rounds run through it, and still a track driver to this day. I've never made a single modification, not even a trigger job (I learned to live with trigger shortcomings out of the box.) Just scope change outs.
My 10/22 has had magazine issues, reliability issues and is a hair less accurate. But NONE of the above have been major drawbacks, just minor & VERY infrequent inconveniences. But I've gotten to "know" the rifle over the years, and it continues to be an oft used member of my shooting family.
I recommend to all the 10/22 owners, and the 60 owners (if you haven't already) to go out and buy the opposing model. Make it your own, shoot it often. Unless you get a dud from the factory, I think you'll find they both have a place in your arsenals.
Now, if we really want to get people arguing, I'll throw in the the Remi 597 is better than both of them...
(No, no, no - totally just kidding)
I only have 1 AR and it has not been out of the safe in about 4 years....my kid used it in a CMP match when he was 16-17-ish....he is 21 now.
I would be very interested in seeing where I posted anything about an AR past a comment like....they are ok I guess, they are a little like god...I have no issues with god...it is some of his fan club that are really off their rockers....hay sounds like 10/22 fans don't it.
maxxhavoc
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The 10/22 has a huge aftermarket for the same reason the AR does. Because it can be completely disassembled by the user without the use of special tools, and any part can be replaced without a gunsmith or special tools. No other reason. People are more likely to change their barrel if they have the ability to without contracting the work out.
The rifle is OK as-is, but you can replace any part that doesn't strike your fancy. Or build one completely from scratch without a single part that was made by Ruger.
The rifle is OK as-is, but you can replace any part that doesn't strike your fancy. Or build one completely from scratch without a single part that was made by Ruger.
CraigC
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Yeah, you seem to have a real problem with people you label "fan boi". I've never been one and prefer to judge based on merit.
The thread you started last year when you said something about "screwing the barrel on an AR", which would seem to indicate a pattern of having strong opinions about guns/shooters based on very little information. It just comes off as irrational bigotry.
danez71
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That guy has been discredited many times about this.
A lot of his comments about the 10/22 are exaggerated to the point being worse than fake news; blatantly false and void of any semblance of reality.
GunnyUSMC
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He must be a liberal, but doesn’t know it. We should help him come to the dark side. We have cookies.
Skylerbone
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To the OP or anyone else interested; if you decide on a 10/22 there are some incredibly simple things that make it far nicer than stock.
1. Grab a Dremel or small file and reprofile the bolt catch for auto release. Total time, 15 minutes with testing.
2. Grab your belt sander and reprofile the rear of the bolt to reduce mass, allowing you to reliably cycle subsonic ammo. Total time, 15 minutes if you polish it after.
3. Grab a drill bit and reprofile the hammer hook (you’ll also need a vise and either stones or a hobby file and fine sandpaper) to reduce trigger pull weight. Total time, 10 minutes if you’re slow.
4. Remove the trigger assembly and (again) reprofile the return plunger. Steps 3 & 4 can get you safely down to 3 lbs. or so with no grit. Total time, 5 minutes.
5. Polish the guide rod with some 600 grit wet-dry. Total time, under 5 minutes.
6. Buy a bolt buffer. Yes, you’ll have to shell out $5.95 for a Kidd (I like them, used in 4 I’ve worked on). You’ll reduce noise and wear.
That’s an hour invested once you put it all back together. I take apart every new firearm I purchase to clean and lube it, something everyone should do. If you’re already in there, spending an hour addressing these parts is time well spent. And for the record, I’ve never had a Ruger brand rotary magazine failure of any kind and I’ve used dozens from 10-25 rounds. Keep them clean and they work fine (they may run fine dirty as well, but I’ll never personally know).
1. Grab a Dremel or small file and reprofile the bolt catch for auto release. Total time, 15 minutes with testing.
2. Grab your belt sander and reprofile the rear of the bolt to reduce mass, allowing you to reliably cycle subsonic ammo. Total time, 15 minutes if you polish it after.
3. Grab a drill bit and reprofile the hammer hook (you’ll also need a vise and either stones or a hobby file and fine sandpaper) to reduce trigger pull weight. Total time, 10 minutes if you’re slow.
4. Remove the trigger assembly and (again) reprofile the return plunger. Steps 3 & 4 can get you safely down to 3 lbs. or so with no grit. Total time, 5 minutes.
5. Polish the guide rod with some 600 grit wet-dry. Total time, under 5 minutes.
6. Buy a bolt buffer. Yes, you’ll have to shell out $5.95 for a Kidd (I like them, used in 4 I’ve worked on). You’ll reduce noise and wear.
That’s an hour invested once you put it all back together. I take apart every new firearm I purchase to clean and lube it, something everyone should do. If you’re already in there, spending an hour addressing these parts is time well spent. And for the record, I’ve never had a Ruger brand rotary magazine failure of any kind and I’ve used dozens from 10-25 rounds. Keep them clean and they work fine (they may run fine dirty as well, but I’ll never personally know).
kBob
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Hey Skylerbone,
on #6. Why not a "nylon" bolt from the local hardware store that fits and can be cut to length with an old single edged razor for a buffer? Bit cheaper, less than the postage on ordering one from anyone.
on #1 I am not sure it took me 15 minutes with a hand held rat tail file.
-kBob
on #6. Why not a "nylon" bolt from the local hardware store that fits and can be cut to length with an old single edged razor for a buffer? Bit cheaper, less than the postage on ordering one from anyone.
on #1 I am not sure it took me 15 minutes with a hand held rat tail file.
-kBob
Please point it to me....I don't think that is me....but again I am old and don't remember much.
And no issue being a fanboi....I am a huge Carcano fanboi, and a more disrespected rifle is pretty hard to find, I also have a soft spot for french rifles, and think the MAS 36 is the best bolt military rifle made...so I am a pretty huge fanboi....I was thinking about building a 1960's flavor AR...slab side and all, but really have not gone very far down that hole, as I wonder if it would collect dust in the back of the safe with the other one. For 223 shooting I like my CZ 527...it just suits me.
But again....
Again you swing and miss.
Back to 10/22, all I am doing is stating my experience, over 3 or so rifles....come to think of it I might have had one of those pistol things for a while, and I think you could call that thing a 10/22....IIRC it actually worked.
I do agree with some of the AR & Ruger, custom shop/do-dads/whatever you can toss at it....and it also falls into the pretend gunsmith area. There is nothing wrong if you are in love with the rifle, just know it for what it is, I have also never said the 60 was perfect, just it is better out of the box on average.
As far as discredited, I think the only place we have disagreements is on this specific subject, and the personal attacks really start flying, they will shut down the thread soon, as someone that says the 10/22 is just not good upsets too many people.....I have never said it can't be made into a good gun, just out of the box it is not as good as many others in the same price bracket.
And not a lib, I lean more to the other L side of things.
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danez71
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No. That's not what you're doing.
What your doing is disparaging ALL of them based on your statistically insignificant experience.
Huge difference.
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Yeah, for theHighroad these threads seem to get more heated than Dillon vs Hornady threads and again why I made this thread with all three (10/22, 60 and 597) side by side, where there was little on target difference, they all ran just fine. No bias, “from memory”, or modifications/tuning.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/side-by-side-597-10-22-model-60.811602/
Admit my sample size is small, but large enough for me to say not another one in my house.
On the other hand the proponents seem to overlook a great many things and go to great depths to defend what is at best an average 22 autoloader.
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