So why are all the replica gun makers Italian?

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Pedersoli, Uberti, IAB, Armi Sport, probably some others.

Is it a loophole in Italian law? Something to do with Sergio Leone? Not that I'm complaining, I've owned Pedersoli and Uberti in the past and they were superbly crafted and very shootable. Just curious!
 
Italy had a big 'cottage industry' of gunmakers, lots of them making shotguns or piece parts for other, bigger makers (Beretta, et al).

When Val Forgett got the idea of making BP replicas, he needed someone to make them, and Italy was about the only country with experienced and capable industry that was also affordable.

Leone happened along around the same time, a happy coincidence I guess.
 
Colt could not see a profit. Smith & Wesson had a good thing going. Several gunmakers have come and gone over there in Spain and Italy, but the quality makers have remained. Survival of the fittest, and responding to the market demand. That's all.

The Doc is out now. :cool:
 
It's such an interesting question and those are all very good answers, although they might be considered to be the short answers rather than the really long answers. :D
To find out the reason why for instance, Beretta has been a privately owned arms company operated by the same family for almost 500 years since 1526, it would require looking back into ancient history more than that one fact alone can simply translate.
One way to do that is to read as much of the following article as desirable and to apply some of the information passed down from the region's earlier history to see just how the industries there progressed into more modern times and exactly why.
It was a cultural way of life that developed, and many of the factors are mentioned both directly and indirectly.
In short the area was a birthplace of the European Iron Age as it moved west from the middle east. And also among the many reasons was the fact that the area was not only one of the capitals of the Roman Empire, but it also had many Jewish slaves and free Jews which brought some of the earliest iron making skills along with them, the area has the only sources of Italian ores, it had vast water power and hardwood supplies for furnaces. This all went on to help a master craftsman class develop at a time in history that pre-dated even the Swiss manufacturing industry by as much as 150 years.
Craftmanship and metal working became ingrained in the culture as it still is until this day.
As well the native peoples spent generations resisting foreign domination up to and including the Nazi occupation.
So there's many historical reasons that are related as to why the area has grown into the 3rd largest manufacturing area in Italy and has such an established arms industry as well as the many other important manufacturing and financial industries too.
One of the travel overviews mentions that it's a pretty "charmless & scruffy" area compared to the more beautiful large Italian cities. The area might not look very glamerous but some of the beautiful guns that they create certainly are.;)

The Jews of Brescia:
Iron and Star of David


Fact Paper 34

http://www.hebrewhistory.info/factpapers/fp034_brescia.htm

"Considering the movement from East to West and the slowness of the diffusion of the new technology," continues Don Franco, "it can be affirmed that the ironworkers began operations in Valcamonica between the end of the ninth and the beginning of the eighth century BCE, almost a century and a half before [it appeared in] Switzerland."

Etruscan inscriptions dated to about 700 BCE. were recently identified near Como, as well as in other areas of northern Italy.

Industrial and commercial activity spread out from the area between the sixth and fourth centuries. The importance of iron for tools and weapons led to Cammuni contacts with the Myceneans, Celts, Romans and Greeks. An incursion of the Celts led to a period of dominance coinciding with the development of the La Tène culture to the north from about 300 to 189 BCE. Historians had hitherto proposed the initiation of ferric technology in Europe to the area of the La Tène culture. It is now a reasonable assumption that the technology went north from Valcamonica, where it had already been practiced for centuries.

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A step into the Bienno smithies is a step back into medieval times. The forges are powered by huge water-wheels, fed by a viaduct from the Oglio River and geared to 18" diameter logs headed with massive three-foot iron hammers. The artisans turn out farm equipments and other iron artifacts. Some Bienno smithies have been in operation since the 12th century. The iron industry of the region dates back to pre-Roman times.



Beretta

Beretta is one of the world's oldest corporations,[1] and it has been owned by the same family for some five hundred years. The Beretta company was established in 1526[2], when gunsmith Maestro Bartolomeo Beretta[3] of Gardone Val Trompia (Brescia, Lombardy, Italy) was paid 296 ducats in payment for 185 arquebus barrels by the Arsenal of Venice.[4] The bills of sale for the order of those firearms are in the firm's archives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berretta


Brescia

The ancient city of Brixia, Brescia has been an important regional centre since pre-Roman times and a number of Roman and medieval monuments are preserved, among which is the prominent castle. The city is at the centre of the third-largest Italian industrial area, concentrating on mechanical and automotive engineering and machine tools, as well as the Beretta arms firm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brescia


Overview:
Located between two lakes and surrounded by vine-covered hills, the ancient settlement of Brescia, Italy is a wealthy town, famed for its arms industry. It has valuable Roman remains, Renaissance squares and a Medieval city centre juxtaposed with important twentieth-century architecture. Yet for all this, it's a scruffy and charmless town, lacking any of the elegance of other northern Italian cities. The gentle hills to the west are known as the Franciacorta and give their name to renowned wines made on the hillsides.

http://www.railrocket.com/destination/countries/italy/brescia_train_tickets.html
 
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At one time Spain and Belgium also produced replicas. Qaulity and price seems to have weeded it down to Italians. I wonder if Japan might start as they are already producing Winchesters?
 
Japan's Miroku Tennessee Poorboy .50 Left had found it's way to my hands many years ago one of my Favored rifles... Have 3 E.N.Santa Barbara Rems two are very nicely engraved,,,fiorm the Santa Barbara Arsenal very well made and of High Quality Hardened Steel.
 
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It's also a matter of Italy having a reasonably skilled labor force and relatively low costs. We're starting to see guns come out of the Czech Republic, and I suspect that this will expand.
 
Yes, Miroku. I could not think of the name this morning and was pressed for time, so I did not look it up. I think they also make some other long guns, too.

The Doc is out now. :cool:
 
Miroku's main claim to fame is as a supplier of guns for Browning. They made a few BP replica rifles for Navy Arms and later Dixie, but they've dropped that business.
 
1. Investarms makes solid stuff at a good price. Pedersoli makes world class competition guns.

2. Family owned, private companies. Publicly traded companies that are successful are targeted by speculators who will try to buy majority ownership and leverage the core business for growth into other areas, and risk the whole shootin' match.
 
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http://www.cannon-mania.com/gallery.htm

So why are all the replica gun makers Italian?

Because it's a Mafia operation and they're all connected wise guys!
Even Cabela's sounds like an Italian name. Fuhrgetahboutit! :neener:
 
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