Aaron1100us
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When I bought my G33 two years ago, I only got one mag 
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So you know dealers were taking a mag out of the Gen 4 Glock box?
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Inebriated
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If I knew 'em, they'd be plastered all over lol.
beatledog7
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It's theft, just as would be a car dealer taking the spare tire out of a new vehicle and then offering the buyer that spare at an additional cost.
Queen_of_Thunder
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Does your LGS have mags hanging on the wall in sandwich bags. If they do they probably are probaly shorging you on your mags.
jerkface11
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Because if you alter it it isn't NEW any more. Selling it as new is fraud.
GOOD....finally a manufacturer comes out and threatens the dealers with cutting off their supply if they continue questionable business practice.
Even people that think it is ok for a dealer to do what they want with a gun they own, you can certainly agree that the manufacturer has the right to tell the distributors that they are not to distribute their product to those dealers who are doing things like this.
Even people that think it is ok for a dealer to do what they want with a gun they own, you can certainly agree that the manufacturer has the right to tell the distributors that they are not to distribute their product to those dealers who are doing things like this.
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SharpsDressedMan
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"If they sell it as a new gun legally they can't alter what you get with it. "
I think if they tell you there is only one magazine coming with it, yuou aren't going to get anywhere suing them. It is their gun until you buy it. Back during the mag ban, it was common practice, and you either bought the gun or you didn't. In some states where there was a 10 rd ban in effect already, gunshops had to remove hi cap mags to guns that were shipped by mistake with them, and place 10 rounders in. Not the same gun, not the same marked package, etc. Just business as usual.
I think if they tell you there is only one magazine coming with it, yuou aren't going to get anywhere suing them. It is their gun until you buy it. Back during the mag ban, it was common practice, and you either bought the gun or you didn't. In some states where there was a 10 rd ban in effect already, gunshops had to remove hi cap mags to guns that were shipped by mistake with them, and place 10 rounders in. Not the same gun, not the same marked package, etc. Just business as usual.
Inebriated
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The page attached to their statement goes for Gen 3 guns, not Gen 4. Look on a Gen 4 box, and it says "3 xRD" on the label, indicating 3 X round magazines. Gen 3 boxes say "2 xRD".
jerkface11
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And yet they still cannot mark it as new if it isn't.
mgmorden
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The gun itself is still new if they remove the magazine. The upstream vendor can refuse to further supply them with product (which is basically what Glock is threatening them with), and the customers can (rightly) complain about the slimy practice, but you're not going to gain any traction on the "Its not new" angle.
In the video games world Gamestop for example was recently the recipient of a lot of public backlash for opening the boxes of new video games and removing a coupon for a competing online service they didn't like. Customers complained a lot and they eventually stopped, but they didn't run into any legal trouble for it.
SharpsDressedMan
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It boils down to this: if the value of the mags included with the pistol go up due to demand, you can either pay a higher price for the boxed set as-is, or pay less for the pistol with items removed from the box, and maybe buy the mags separately. For the guys not familiar with the practice, would you pay $100 more than suggested retail for the stock item with hi caps, or would you prefer to pay retail for the pistol with two 10 rounders, or worse yet, two NY 7-rounders (soon to come). Priceson hi caps might get as goofy as they did back in '94. I hope ya'll aren't scrambling right now, and prices and dealers are still good in your areas, but I can see this getting REAL ugly if the feds outlaw hi caps again.....with NO sunset clause.
jerkface11
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Opening the gun and removing accessories it came with makes it not new. As I said selling it as new after that is fraud. Justify it all you like it's still wrong.
I can confrm it ships with 2. My SD40 VE came with 2 mags.
45_auto
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Nope, it's still a new gun, just not with as many accessories. Until it comes off the dealer's bound book and onto a 4473 it's still new. At that time any manufacturer's warranties, etc, go into effect.
Same way a "new" car doesn't have zero miles on it. Until the paperwork is done for the first time, it's still new.
Since you are looking at it from a technicality standpoint, I assume would would also be ok with the shop owner being charged with theft?
Here in GA there is a particular dealer that is taking the 17 rnd mags out of a Gen 4 G17 box and replaced it with 2 10 rnd mags. I was ready to buy the gun at the marked up price but when I saw this it disgusted me and I did not buy, and never will from this dealer. Is there any way to let Glock know what is going on? And will they take any actions or not?
Inebriated
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Glock knows... that's the whole point of me posting this thread haha.
Madcap_Magician
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I think this is only dishonest if the guns are being sold as new without any mention of how many mags they come with. Since it is known how many mags a new Glock SHOULD have, and what capacity they should be, trying to pass of swapped-in 10-round mags or removing spare mags altogether would mean that the gun was not sold as described, which IMHO at least would be a violation of Gunbroker's seller policy.
If you want to charge more for it because of the ban panic, then just charge more up front.
Which all goes to show that we should all read the fine print on GB very carefully, since there are plenty of turds there.
If you want to charge more for it because of the ban panic, then just charge more up front.
Which all goes to show that we should all read the fine print on GB very carefully, since there are plenty of turds there.
Your not just buying a gun, you are buying a complete package. There's a SKU number on the outside of the plastic case and a gun that comes with normal capacity mags has a different SKU compared to the one with 10 round mags.
The big issue is when dealers take 1 or 2 mags away from that package, but then try to sell it as if its still the same is where the problem comes in. Some dealers on GB will have a list of what's included in the advertisement, others just list the manufacturer's SKU number and put up a stock photo. A case of fraud could probably made against the later since they are not delivering what their add promised, but it would be cheaper in the end to just go out and buy a couple of extra mags. It's nice to see Glock come out and take a stand on the issue though. Hopefully the problem dealers will listen.
The big issue is when dealers take 1 or 2 mags away from that package, but then try to sell it as if its still the same is where the problem comes in. Some dealers on GB will have a list of what's included in the advertisement, others just list the manufacturer's SKU number and put up a stock photo. A case of fraud could probably made against the later since they are not delivering what their add promised, but it would be cheaper in the end to just go out and buy a couple of extra mags. It's nice to see Glock come out and take a stand on the issue though. Hopefully the problem dealers will listen.
rodinal220
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This has been going on since the Clinton era 94 ban.I questioned many dealers about this and they stated I was wrong and they were right because they had an FFL and knew better
Taurus 617 CCW
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It's sad to see that some people are stooping this low. Taking advantage of customers is a great way to run yourself out of business. People remember these sorts of things when times are become good again. 
Dealer snatched the second mag from my G23 inThis has been going on since the Clinton era 94 ban.I questioned many dealers about this and they stated I was wrong and they were right because they had an FFL and knew better
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