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So you want to fight California gun laws?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by 50 Shooter, Aug 25, 2006.

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  1. 50 Shooter

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    I'm going to post this here and anywhere else that I can think of, feel free to post it every where you want.

    Seeing how this issue started in this thread http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=217614 and the idea came up as a combination of ideas, here it goes.

    If you truely want to help us out in California because you hate the gun laws that the politicians keep freely passing here, here's the idea. "We" as gun owners need to take a stand against **********. This is going to involve contacting ALL gun Mfg's and even aftermarket Mfg's to tell them to stop selling to all agencies (law enforcement) if AB352 passes. If they DO NOT stop there will be a Nationwide ban against them. Here's just a piece of info for people out there, I spoke to someone that know's Ronnie Barrett. He asked other Mfg's to follow his lead but they refused. Reason given was the "stockholders" had to be kept happy.

    So, if they want to keep the "stockholders" happy they will need to listen to the American public. This is where "we" the people ALL need to come together and let them know we're tired of Kali gun laws. Let them know they will feel it in their pocket book and from the "stockholders" if they continue to sell firearms to **********.

    Please feel free to start adding contact info for all gun Mfg's so that people can start writing, calling and emailing.
     
  2. knoxx45

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    BRILLIANT!!!

    Your post gave me a bright idea. How many of us are stock holders of gun companies. I own a couple of hundred shares of S&W and Olin. Who will be getting a call from me sating that I AM a stock holder, and I fully support the ban to law enforcement.
     
  3. 50 Shooter

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    Smith & Wesson

    By Email: qa@smith-wesson.com



    By Telephone:
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  4. ArmedBear

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    An important part: credibility.

    Does anyone know if there are currently manufacturers who don't sell to CA agencies? It needn't be for any particular reason; it's just important that they don't.

    A mere threat may not be credible, since the attitude might be, "What choice do they have?"

    However, a web site listing any manufacturers who already meet our criteria, or nearly do could go a long way. E.g., if a manufacturer sells to a pro-gun county agency, but no where else, they too could be noted as a preferred source.

    Then, the threat will be more like: We don't have to buy from you. We can and will buy from these manufacturers instead.

    Thoughts about this?
     
  5. Thefabulousfink

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    We also need to find one or several of the gun advocacy groups to help champion this cause (or form our own). Some one that can collect donations, run adds, and contact lobbyists. A dedicated website would be nice as well. The bigger, more professional, and more vocal that we appear, then the greater chance the gun companies will listen and the stockholders will get nervous.

    Armedbear is right as well, we should be very public about the companies that support our cause. Encourage people to buy from them and show the benifits of supporting us.
     
  6. NukemJim

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    Ronnie Barrett of Barrett Firearms Mfg Inc.

    NukemJim
     
  7. Lupinus

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    more need to follow his lead.

    ************ wants its citizens disarmed or at least as close to disarmed as they can weasel, I say it's time their law enforcment get a taste of the same thing.
     
  8. rangermonroe

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    Maybe we chould contact Mr. Barrett and get his thoughts and advice on this.

    I am on board in any case.
     
  9. Zundfolge

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    Excellent Idea!

    Here's what I've pulled from a few company web sites


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    GLOCK Inc. USA, Canada
    6000 Highlands Parkway
    Smyrna, GA 30082
    USA
    Tel.: +1 770 - 432 1202
    Fax.: +1 770 - 433 8719

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    TAURUS CUSTOMER SERVICE TEAM

    Phone: (305) 624-1115
    Fax: (305) 624-1126

    Mailing Address:
    16175 NW 49 Ave.
    Miami, FL 33014

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    Kimber America

    General consumer information & questions; catalog requests:

    info@kimberamerica.com

    Phone Numbers:
    General consumer information & questions; catalog requests:
    (800) 880-2418

    Custom Shop inquires
    (914) 964-0771 Ext: 228

    Military & Federal Sales Inquires
    (914) 964-0771 Ext: 243
    fax (914) 964-9340

    Physical addresses:

    Corporate Manufacturing

    Kimber Mfg., Inc.
    1 Lawton Street
    Yonkers, NY 10705

    Marketing & Sales
    Kimber
    2590 Hwy. 35, Suite B
    Kalispell, MT 59901

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    Beretta U.S.A. Corp
    17601 Beretta Drive
    Accokeek, MD 20607,
    USA
    To contact Customer Support, call (800) 636-3420
    http://www.berettausa.com/contact_us.htm

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    Kahr Arms
    http://www.kahr.com/email.html

    Phone & Address

    Wholesale Division
    Contact: Frank Harris
    Mailing Address:
    P.O. Box 220
    Blauvelt, NY 10913

    TEL: 845-652-8535
    FAX: 845-735-4610

    Consumer Sales
    Mailing Address:
    130 Goddard Memorial Dr.
    Worcester, MA 01603
    Attn: Sales Dept.

    TEL: 508-635-1449, 508-635-1450
    FAX: 508-795-7046

    Dealer Sales
    Contact: David Konn
    Mailing Address:
    13833 Wellington Trace Road
    Unit E4, #182
    Wellington, FL 33414

    TEL: 845-652-8537
    FAX: 561-656-1549

    Consumer Service
    Mailing Address:
    130 Goddard Memorial Dr.
    Worcester, MA 01603
    Attn: Service Dept.

    TEL: 508-635-1400, 508-635-1440
    FAX: 508-795-7046

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    SIGARMS, Inc.
    18 Industrial Drive
    Exeter, NH 03833
    Ph: 603-772-2302
    Fax: 603-772-9082
    http://www.sigarms.com/

    SIGARMS Academy
    233 Exeter Road
    Epping, NH 03042
    Ph: 603-679-2003
    Fax: 603-679-1639
    http://www.sigarmsacademy.com/

    Customer Service Department 603-772-2302

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    There's more out there so keep posting contact info.


    Someone who's good at such things should type up an outline of what should be in these letters, emails and/or phone calls.
     
  10. Liberal Gun Nut

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    This boycott has a chance of working. If this thing passes, few of these manufacturers will continue selling guns in CA anyway. It won't be worth it. AB 352 applies to LEOs equally. California will return to the days of the revolver.

    IMPORTANT: The message should not be, "stop selling to LEOs". It should be, "don't introduce any models that comply with the California law". Which, by default, means no more sales to LEOs also.

    A simple message: "Glock, don't introduce a California model."
     
  11. Thefabulousfink

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    I think the chief idea is to get the gun companies to tell CA that they wont sell to them BEFORE the bill is passed. That way it will lose LE support and be seen as too costly to the politicians. You know that CA LE agencies aren't going to be forced to comply with this because no gun company can afford to make a this new "Laser-Gun" just to sell in CA.

    The anti's know this and are trying to use this as a "back door" ban. The ATF and CA DOJ will rule that the LE are exempt from the laws of the state and they can use normal weapons. We need gun companies to make it clear that IF this legislation passes normal weapons won't be available to the police if they aren't available to the public.
     
  12. Euclidean

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    Actually, what you need to do is swing is so that our brothers in no arms in Kali can buy something to protect themselves with, but the state agencies can buy nothing.
     
  13. 50 Shooter

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    So who wants to start up a website? Isn't there still places out there that offer free websites? It doesn't have to be fancy, just to the point.
     
  14. VARifleman

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  15. NorthernExtreme

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    Mr Barrett just made up my mind for me. He'll be getting my money by the end of the month. Don't forget, Gun and accessory manufactorers are not in business to not sell their product. We need to let them know there will be a reward from the rest of us for helping the people of Kfornia. I would also like to know which companies are willing to sell to the Kfornia Police weapons that don't comply with the restrictions on its Citizens.

    There should also be a price for not helping out!
     
  16. kludge

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    We have to remember that Kali is a HUGE market. >12% of the US polulation lives there. >36 Million people. If 1% of the population buys one gun new a year that's 360,000 guns per year, and at $500/gun, that's $180 Million per year. Over 10 years it's a nearly $2 Billion pie. Would you tool up to have part of a $2 Billion pie?

    If we can only get 2 million people to join the NRA out of 80 Million gun owners, how can we 'boycott' the manufacturers?

    I don't want to be a doomsayer. In reality it makes me want to :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:. The manufacturers fall all over each other to get LEO contracts. Reality is that they would rather gain market share than do the right thing. And yes they would trade next year's profits for the profits of the next decade.

    If the 'stockholders' is why companies make decisions, then we need to target the stockholders.

    Then every gun owner in ********** needs to march on Sacramento, demanding they repeal oppressive, anti-freedom gun laws. The government does not trust you with your freedoms.

    It's a funny thing about trust, if you keep giving it after it's broken, it becomes increasingly abused.
     
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    One more thing...

    Ray Barrett aside, what he's doing is fantastic, but I just don't have a need for one of his firearms (If they were $500, I might be able to find a need, though :D ).

    Here's something I would do...

    To the first handgun manufacturer that thumbs their nose to the State of California and refuses to sell their weapons to the State of California or its representatives, I pledge to buy one of their pistols or revolvers, up to $600. (sorry I'm not rich and have five kids to feed).

    Maybe we could start a "pledge" drive. Only 359.999 to go!
     
  18. billwiese

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    The above posts bring up several issues...

    - Firstly, it appears many co's guns are sold to CA LE agencies thru distributors. The recent CHP S&W vs Sig bid scandal seems to indicate they go thru a dealer/ distributor and not Smith directly. (Some other companies might or might not, not sure how prevalent the practice is). There may be some legal issues about a mfgr telling a distributor who its (otherwise lawful) customers may be. Imagine if Ford directed its (independent) dealer base that F150s would only be sold to those with hunting licenses, and if dealers didn't comply they'd get no new supply. There may be something that could be done with warranty support, dunno...

    - Many cos have 'safe gun' compliant guns already set up for CA - loaded chamber indicator, mag disco safety, etc. Other states (MA, MD?, etc) have similar or partially overlapping requirments, and major gun cos' engineering depts can see the future a bit and have been working on this stuff.

    Many gun cos would (completely separate from LEO biz) give up their OR, ID, NV, AZ, NM, etc. biz to keep CA commercial biz - it's too big a market to ignore.

    There's still a (very reasonable) chance AB352 will be vetoed by gov.

    Bill W.
    San Jose CA
     
  19. Mr.V.

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    50-Shooter--

    This is a fantastic idea and I'd like to help. I wonder though how we will get through to the foreign manufacturers.
     
  20. 50 Shooter

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    Most of them have offices here in the States.

    To contact Heckler & Koch
    in the United States, call:


    Phone: 205.655.8299
    Fax: 205.655.7078

    Email:
    Customer Service Law Enforcement -
    leinfo@hk-usa.com

    Customer Service Hours: 9am-4pm EST
    HECKLER & KOCH
    7661 Commerce Lane
    Trussville, AL 35173
    USA

    FNH USA COMMERCIAL AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS:


    Rick DeMilt
    Senior Vice President
    Sales & Marketing
    PO Box 697
    McLean, VA 22101
    T: 703-288-1292 x115
    F: 703-288-1730


    Bob Ailes
    Sales Coordinator
    PO Box 697
    McLean, VA 22101
    T: 703-288-1292
    F: 703-288-1730


    Sarah Perry
    Marketing Manager
    PO Box 697
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    T: 703-288-1292 x117
    F: 703-288-1730


    Bill Buie
    Manager
    Law Enforcement Field Activities
    PO Box 697
    McLean, VA 22101
    T: 703-980-0921
    e: wrbuie@att.net




    Bucky Mills
    Director
    Sales, Marketing & Training
    PO Box 697
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    Soha Eido
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    McLean, VA 22101
    T: 703-288-1292 x100
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    T: 573-449-0590
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    Rossi USA

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    Good for them

    Even though I live in Michigan, I am just as concerned for the Californian gun laws as I am for Michigan. What the politicians successfully take away there, other states' "leaders" can learn, and try like-wise elsewhere. We're all in it together. Think nationallly and vote locally.

    Doc2005
     
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    I say the first mfg that rolls over on the bullet imprinting insanity gets boycotted from me.
     
  24. Green Lantern

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    I think it's a great idea! One would think that gunmakers would be having indigestion already at the cost of making guns that comply to this moronic law...

    So, THE BOSS (that would be US, btw, their customers!) suggesting that they tell the Kommies to "shove it" should hopefully be seen as encouragement! :cool:
     
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    To add to this, a nationwide gun owners collaboration to STOP supporting the California economy by stop spending money in California or for California goods.

    NO more California wine, produce, trips to San Fran, LA, San Diego, you name it.

    Gun owners are 100,000,000 strong or larger, so let's UNITE and make it clear that if they don't welcome our guns, they are also turning away our money.
     
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