So you want to fight California gun laws?

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Hate to be a wet blanket, but it won't work. I agree with the spirit of the post, though.

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As much as I would like to see this work, I don't think it will. All it will take is for one of the big handgun companies to go ahead and do the stamping, even if every other manufacturer agrees to the boycott, then that particular company will own the largest law enforcement pistol market in the country.

There is just way too much greed involved. If the law passes, one of them will do it. I have no doubt in my mind.

In a perfect world, this would be great. I love what Ronnie Barrett has done. (heck, I shook his hand at SHOT show and said thank you). However Barrett is just one little US company. Even if every US owned gun company (doubtful) boycotted California law enforcement, I guarentee that one of the European owned companies will sell go along with the stamping just to get all of those PD contracts and to be the only game in town for all of the Californian gun owners.

The gun industry is a cut throat, no holds barred business. Sorry guys, I'm just calling it how I see it.
 
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The gun industry is a cut throat, no holds barred business. Sorry guys, I'm just calling it how I see it.
Larry's got a good point, however its pretty clear that the S&W boycott hurt S&W enough that they sold and the new owners are saying "the agreement" is dead.


Frankly I expect that Glock, HK, FN or Colt would ignore the boycott and produce for CA anyway.


Regardless, gun owners NEED to stand up against this (even if it means we stand up against "our own"; the gun manufacturers).




Hopefully Arnie does the right thing and vetoes this pile of ......
 
Another article.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200608/POL20060825b.html

Law Enforcers Oppose Calif. Micro-Stamping Gun Bill
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
August 25, 2006

(CNSNews.com) - A bill passed by the anti-gun California state Senate to require "micro-stamping" by all semiautomatic handguns was quickly criticized by pro-Second Amendment groups Thursday. One day later, law enforcement officers are also coming out in force against the bill.

As Cybercast News Service previously reported, California Senate Bill AB 352 would expand the definition of an allegedly "unsafe handgun" to include any semiautomatic pistol that does not include a "microscopic array of characters, that identify the make, model and serial number of the pistol, etched into the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol." That information must be "transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired."

Second Amendment groups immediately laid out the opposition to the bill on constitutional and practical grounds. Now, current and former law enforcement officers are expressing their concerns.

James Fotis, executive director of the Law Enforcement Alliance of America (LEAA), wrote members of the California General Assembly Friday, urging them to kill the bill.

"This legislation is an impractical and costly measure that will not improve public safety," Fotis wrote. "AB 352 is a distraction from real and proven crime-fighting efforts."

LEAA counts more than 75,000 current and former law enforcement officers among its members and supporters.

Fotis' letter is one of dozens of negative comments written about the bill by law enforcement veterans, including critical letters from the Sheriff-Coroners of California's Riverside, Kern, Orange, Mendocino, Modoc, and Tehama Counties.

Despite the opposition from those law enforcement veterans, Griffin Dix, president of the California Million Mom March Chapters, believes the bill should become law because police are unable to solve about 45 percent of California's murders due to "lack of evidence."

"This bill will help police," Dix claimed, "by providing them with new and meaningful leads for solving handgun crimes."

Paul Helmke, the new head of the anti-gun Brady Campaign, praised the California State Senate for "embracing this innovative technology."

But Fotis, a retired, career police officer, calls the idea of "micro-stamping" shell casings "vaguely described and untested technology."

"This idea won't reduce crime on the streets," Fotis said. "LEAA stands with California sheriffs and other law enforcement leaders who have voiced their clear and strong opposition to AB 352."

Anthony Craver, sheriff-coroner of Mendocino County, Calif., was more direct in his assessment of whether or not the bill would "help police," as Dix claimed.

"With millions upon millions of existing handguns owned in California," Craver said, "the probability of this bill having any positive effect on public safety is absurd."

Orange County, Calif., Sheriff-Coroner Michael Carona agreed.

"I cannot see any benefit," Carona said, "other than the simple act of symbolism in the passage of AB 352."

Technology to "micro-stamp" shell casings in a semiautomatic pistol as they are chambered or fired is not commercially available. Firearms experts argue that normal wear and tear within even a seldom-fired gun would interfere with such technology. They warn that the part or parts used to "micro-stamp" the casing would also be subject to tampering or easy removal.

In a joint letter, Modoc County, Calif., Sheriff Bruce Mix and District Attorney Jordan Funk wrote that the proposal would "unnecessarily complicate and hinder proven crime-solving strategies."

Fotis notes that those "proven crime-solving strategies" require something the California legislature cannot afford to squander: funding.

"California is in the midst of a severe money shortage for fighting crime," Fotis wrote.

"Rather than pursuing AB 352, which is costly, unproven, unnecessary-and would ultimately be shown to be ineffective in stopping crime-law enforcement would rather see the money and legislative effort spent on increasing prison space and helping cops on the street break the back of gangs!" Fotis added.

Fotis concludes that the bill "cannot be expected to provide any measurable impact on major crimes like murder."
 
But Fotis, a retired, career police officer, calls the idea of "micro-stamping" shell casings "vaguely described and untested technology."

"This legislation is an impractical and costly measure that will not improve public safety," Fotis wrote. "AB 352 is a distraction from real and proven crime-fighting efforts."

"With millions upon millions of existing handguns owned in California," Craver said, "the probability of this bill having any positive effect on public safety is absurd."

Technology to "micro-stamp" shell casings in a semiautomatic pistol as they are chambered or fired is not commercially available. Firearms experts argue that normal wear and tear within even a seldom-fired gun would interfere with such technology. They warn that the part or parts used to "micro-stamp" the casing would also be subject to tampering or easy removal.

But what do they know??? After all, they are only police officers:rolleyes:

And Griffin Dix of the Million Mom March said:
"This bill will help police," Dix claimed, "by providing them with new and meaningful leads for solving handgun crimes."
And with their extensive background in crime fighting, why shouldn't we listen to the MMM.
 
Fink--

It's all part of Koretz's chess game to achieve a total ban on firearms. When this bill doesn't work, and Koretz himself probably knows it won't, the failure will allow him to preach, "Existing gun laws aren't strong enough, because of the loopholes like existing guns not having the technology. We won't be safe until all the guns are gone."
 
Now, I liked Correia's post better. "It MAY NOT work" is better than "it WILL not work!" Morale counts for a lot when trying to get people roused! ;)

I know very well it might not work, and that the odds aren't so good...

But, I REFUSE to just sit around like a bump on a log and do nothing! It really makes me want to :barf: that only a small percentage of gun owners are in the NRA (1 out of 5, maybe? Forget where I read the exact # referenced on here). I do know that NRA claims 4 million members...but they also say that only 100,000 of these members bothered sending in the postcards (THEY provided!!!!!!) in protest of the IANSA/UN Global Gun Grab! For the love of....ALL a person had to do was sign their name and affix a stamp 3 or 4 times! :cuss: :banghead: :cuss:

If more people don't start getting active in protecting the 2nd Amendment, then I'M going to adopt a defeatist attitude and probably turn my guns in myself....

Okay. Rant OFF.

Now then, has anyone actually called yet? I called Glock and Taurus today, and quickly got the impression that I was jumping the gun...as neither company had heard wind of the Kali happenings yet. I tried to explain the whole scenario, but was referred to an answering machine in Glock's legal department. And the girl at Taurus suggested I write a letter to the company.

The bull may be a lost cause anyhow...it's unfair to say that THEY didn't know about microstamping because they said "we thought that was just in Maryland and New York...but you can order the parts you need from us"

HUH??? :scrutiny:
 
Personally, I prefer the idea of marching on Sacramento. I don't think I've ever partaken in a political rally before, could be fun.

NTM
 
Seeing how this has resurfaced and passed this time around, reviving it from the dead for contacts.

Remember that it all comes down to Arnie, if enough people contact the manufacturers and tell them to contact Arnie.... The idea of them telling him they will not sell to any CA agency could work. It can't hurt and will only take a few moments out of your time whether you call or write an email.

***Remember, this time around it's AB1471***
 
As interesting an idea as this is, do you realize how many handguns are sold toe LE agencies in CA? Probably more than most other states if not all other states.

I'll write some letters, but I think we're peeing in the wind here.
 
is it me? "probably" does California seem headed towards the "utopia"
shown in the movie Demolition Man. I am a California Native who escaped 6 years ago, best move I ever made. it really sucks to see my state of Birth going down the tubes .if a boycott will in anyway help the situation I am all for it. I would hope someday I could move back with all the contents of my safes and not be committing hundreds of Felony's by doing so. :cuss:
From the Movie

You see, according to Cocteau's plan I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".
 
Geez this is why so many dislike gun owners :eek:

Trying to fight the high rate of crime and you want to stop it, because of some right you have to bear them :confused:

The more I read the more I see a pattern here at this location.

I'd say many who are voicing their thoughts probably don't even vote or are old enough :D

Just one gun persons thoughts.:evil:

:rolleyes:
 
Here's THR members assignment, start calling.:evil:

CALL Gov's Sac number (916-445-2841)

Press 1 - for English
Press 2 - for Voice your opinion on Assembly Bills
Press 1 - for Micro Stamping Bill (AB1471)
Press 2 to OPPOSE the gun control bill.
 
All it will take is for one of the big handgun companies to go ahead and do the stamping, even if every other manufacturer agrees to the boycott, then that particular company will own the largest law enforcement pistol market in the country.

Not necessarily. Presumably the "microstamping" technology will increase the price of the guns, and they would therefore be unable to compete on a price/effectiveness basis with revolvers. Smaller jursidictions with limited budgets may go the cheaper route.
 
I have started a page at http://www.gunpolitics.com for this issue. Click on the CA-AB1471 tab at the top of the page. Here's a direct LINK.

If someone would like to write a more eloquent heading for the page please PM it to me. I threw this together quickly. I will keep adding to it as I can.

Perhaps someone would like to create a template letter that people can print and send to the manufacturers. A PDF would be great. I can host the file and create a link to it from this page. IF you create one let me know and I will PM you my email address you can send it to.

The more ideas the better. Feel free to post suggestions to this thread or to PM them to me. Feel free to criticize as my ego is not easily bruised.

I plan to change the title of the page as CA-AB1471 is rather ambiguous to most people
 
Here's THR members assignment, start calling.

CALL Gov's Sac number (916-445-2841)

Press 1 - for English
Press 2 - for Voice your opinion on Assembly Bills
Press 1 - for Micro Stamping Bill (AB1471)
Press 2 to OPPOSE the gun control bill.
I had nothing to do at work today so I just called that for like an hour...hahahaha
 
I don't boycott gun manufactures because its kind of rare when I buy guns.
So what I do is when I find the newest, badest, blackest, "assualt weapon" that has lots of bad press I buy it.
Latest gun like that I bough was the Saiga 12ga, very bad ass and the one before that was my FN Fiveseven USG modle hand gun (5.7x28mm) the anits call it the "cop killer" :rolleyes: .
I would get a 50cal but can not cough up the $x,000 for one.
 
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