Soldier in Jessica Lynch's unit awarded Silver Star - includes details of the ambush

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If all the members here could come up with $20 maybe he could afford to replace that POS Cavalier.

Who's going to collect the money and deliver it? Any Coloradans out there? Any who know a bank or banker willing to set up a fund?

Perhaps the Chaplain at Ft. Carson?
 
Bill Hook
Guess who won't be getting a TV movie deal, a book deal, and an easy out of their term of service?
I agree the media is making way too much of Jessica Lynch's part in all this but , and that's a big but, I seriously, no, vehemently disagree that she's getting an "easy out".

AZRickD
I'm not going to hold Jessica Lynch responsible for the media hysteria that was promoted around her.
Exactly right Rick. AFAIK, Jessica Lynch did nothing to promote the stories the press was telling (of course they would never exaggerate or embellish a story for ratings:rolleyes: ) and I, unlike some, have nothing but respect for her. If she gets a book and movie deal out of it, I don't have a problem with it. It seriously sucks that PFC Miller probably won't get what she does, but I can't hold that against her .

I'm all for taking up a collection for PFC Miller.
 
Whenever I hear people complain that our nation is going to hades I think about simple Kansas country boys like PFC Miller, who is willing to put in 20 years service, maybe make Warrant, work on Army vehicles doing some welding, some wrenching... able to pick up a rifle and cover his buddies butts when TSHTF... hang tough when captured by really P.O.'d people shouting at him in a different language, singing country songs, talking to God, all the while worrying about his family back home and his friends in his unit... to come home (alive) to his wife and kid... only to spend more time welding and wrenching... cause its his job...

and I think "Its all good."

We're really in pretty good hands.

Now if we could just get all the politicians to go over and serve and have to deal with balky talcum dust filled battle rifles during the fog of war...

Thanks Preacher for sharing.

Here's hoping PFC Miller makes Warrant soon.

Maybe one of THR's aspiring authors could offer to "ghost write" the simple story of PFC Miller for his family's benefit...have Oleg take a photo or two...

Adios
 
I'll gladly give $20 bucks for this guy, he deserves a lot more...
I'll keep an eye on this thread for when an account is set up, or whatever.

Let's all chip in a little for him.
 
I agree the media is making way too much of Jessica Lynch's part in all this but , and that's a big but, I seriously, no, vehemently disagree that she's getting an "easy out".

Would they have given a male in her position a discharge?

From what I remember of the story, the Army never gave her a medical discharge, but I could be wrong. It sounded like she and her agents put pressure on the Army to get her out so she could focus on money making opportunities.
 
This guy Miller doesn't want a discharge. He probably would fight any attempt to discharge him. He is a lifer and it sounds like this is by far, the best job he has ever had.
 
Miller may not want the discharge, but if Pvt. Lynch gets one, they should offer him one too. Whether he accepts is his business.
 
I will attempt to contact the chaplain at Pfc. Millers base tomorrow to see how we can set up a "Thank you, Private Miller" fund to benefit him and his family. I feel that I am the wrong person to actually set this all up though, because between a full-time day job and all the associated hassles of product development for my new business I barely have enough time to kiss my wife goodbye in the mornng. If someone here wants to spearhead the "Thank you, Private Miller" fund, please be my guest and I will forward any information that I get tomorrow, and in the future. It would be nice to funnel all the proceeds into a Paypal account, so that our folks could put a contibution on their credit cards and then we will wait for awhile so that the fund gets to an impressive size. We could then send Private Miller a nice big fat check and a copy of this entire thread so that he can see how much the people on this Forum care, and how we appreciate what he did for his country and fellow soldiers. Just my thoughts on this...


Michael in Sandy, Oregon/Owner of IronWolf Industries
 
Now that's a hero. :D
I am in if'n we get a collection up for him and his family.
 
I'd think that Pfc Miller would rather 'earn' his windfall, via a book or some hollyweird tv movie. He seems to be a man of principle.

Yea, Sean, you're right on the voodoo of awarding military awards. While reading "Every Man a Tiger", Clancy with Gen. Horner, there was the case of a USAF F-15 pilot who earned his DFC for ignoring a AWACS' repeated orders to fire at a plane. The plane turned out to be a RSAF Tornado returning from a sortie, upon visual confirmation by the F-15 pilot. Although giving up position on a potental air-to-air encounter behind enemy lines to do a mnaual IFF, is pretty courageous.
 
hops

I agree. Perhaps we should just get a car dealership to kick in part of the cost aof a car to replace his POS Citation.
 
Hops mentioned:
He should be on the recuiting poster for the Army of One. He certainly was that!

Do note that PFC Miller's deeds are being used by his Colonel to instruct officers. Should be at least a little humbling to some captains and majors.
 
No, they've got no time for glory in the Infantry.
No, they've got no use for praises loudly sung,
But in every soldier's heart in all the Infantry
Shines the name, shines the name of Rodger Young.

Shines the name--Rodger Young!
Fought and died for the men he marched among.
To the everlasting glory of the Infantry
Lives the story of Private Rodger Young.


Caught in ambush lay a company of riflemen--
Just grenades against machine guns in the gloom--
Caught in ambush till this one of twenty riflemen
Volunteered, volunteered to meet his doom.


Volunteered, Rodger Young!
Fought and died for the men he marched among.
In the everlasting annals of the Infantry
Glows the last deed of Private Rodger Young.


It was he who drew the fire of the enemy
That a company of men might live to fight;
And before the deadly fire of the enemy
Stood the man, stood the man we hail tonight.


On the island of New Georgia in the Solomons,
Stands a simple wooden cross alone to tell
That beneath the silent coral of the Solomons,
Sleeps a man, sleeps a man remembered well.


Sleeps a man, Rodger Young,
Fought and died for the men he marched among.
In the everlasting spirit of the Infantry
Breathes the spirit of Private Rodger Young.


No, they've got no time for glory in the Infantry,
No, they've got no use for praises loudly sung,
But in every soldier's heart in all the Infantry
Shines the name, shines the name of Rodger Young.


Shines the name--Rodger Young!
Fought and died for the men he marched among.
To the everlasting glory of the Infantry
Lives the story of Private Rodger Young.



Frank Loesser


If anyone has any contact info for Millers family, I would like it. While PFC Miller is a member of the Army, he isn't supposed to accept gift and such, but Cavalry Arms would like to see that his boy has a rifle.

To date, Cav Arms has sent $35,000+ in product to soldiers in Afganistan and Iraq. We would be pleased to send a rifle to the miller family...
 
Update for everyone :


I called the Ft. Carson Command Installation Chaplains office today to see about getting some assistance in setting up a donation fund for Pfc. Miller. I wasn't able to talk to a Chaplain, because they had all headed home early, but I did speak with a civilian assistant in the office. I told her of the plan to get some "Thank you" donations to Pfc. Miller and his family and while she personally liked the idea, she didn't think it was feasible to go thru the Forts Chaplains office. She said that any donations that are sent to their office get distributed equally to the other Faith-based services on base. She echoed Frank Loessers previous thought about whether Pfc. Miller can even personally accept a donation from us. I don't think there is a prohibition from giving funds to his family though. She said that a Bank in the local Ft. Carson area would be a better avenue to approach the issue. So, does anyone on the Board live close enough to go speak with one of the Banks in the area? I am not giving up on the idea of rewarding this brave man. Thanks all...


Michael in Sandy, Oregon/Owner of IronWolf Industries
 
God bless them both, and all the heros we will never hear about.
I am in.

I don't thing Jesica got an "easy out" she will cary this forever.


Mike
 
Frankly, I was ambushed by this story.

I was expecting to read a technical article on a malfunctioning M-16, instead, I suddenly got thrown into a blood and guts pit that assaulted my imagination, fired up my empathy and made me angry.

The conditions of war are not under anyone's control, not even the combatants'. Somewhere out there, in the desert, is the complete true story of what really happened. Sadly, we are getting the real "truth" in dribs and drabs, and not from the people who are sworn and paid to give it to us. If someone made a mistake and needs to correct it, then as these accounts suggest, a very big injustice needs to be rectified.

I am sure the nation needs its heroes and I feel no antipathy for Pvt. Jessica Lynch, she deserves the accolades of her countrymen. But the others in her unit deserve the same, IF NOT MORE. This is not rocket science. Nor is this something that I have been told by an angel in a dream. Whoever was responsible for the media blitz surrounding the 507, and there are several individuals we're talking about, KNOWS they made a mistake.

So? Where's the public correction, the honor to the truly deserving? The conditions of war are not under anyone's control, but media hype is, and the people who are responsible have chosen to abdicate their duty. And in case you're thinking NBC, ABC and the rest of the alphabet soup, don't forget a BIG part of the hype is controlled by CENTCOM, too.
 
Private First Class Patrick Miller sounds like a true American hero. Both Miller and Private First Class Jessica Lynch are both honorable and brave Americans. I have absolutely nothing but respect for Miller and Lynch. The way that the Bush misadministration has mistreated them and others like them who are still in Iraq fighting for America is, IMHO, nothing short of dishonorable and is disrespectful. These heros deserve much better.

Jessica Lynch Says Military Manipulated Her Story
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PALESTINE, W. Va. -- Former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch has accused the military of using her capture and dramatic nighttime rescue to sway public support for the war in Iraq.Lynch said she's bothered by the military's portrayal of her ordeal in Iraq. She said the U.S. military manipulated the story of her dramatic rescue -- and shouldn't have filmed it in the first place.
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The 20-year-old private told ABC's Diane Sawyer in a "Primetime" interview to air Tuesday that there was no reason for her rescue from an Iraqi hospital to be filmed.

In an excerpt reported Friday in the New York Daily News, Lynch said, "They used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff. It's wrong."
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http://www.theomahachannel.com/news/2619087/detail.html

Lynch criticizes military portrayal
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-11-07-lynch-laments_x.htm

Jessica Lynch Criticizes U.S. Accounts of Her Ordeal

In her first public statements since her rescue in Iraq, Jessica Lynch criticized the military for exaggerating accounts of her rescue and re-casting her ordeal as a patriotic fable.

Asked by the ABC News anchor Diane Sawyer if the military's portrayal of the rescue bothered her, Ms. Lynch said: "Yeah, it does. It does that they used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff. Yeah, it's wrong," according to a partial transcript of the interview to be broadcast on Tuesday.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/07/national/07LYNC.html

Corps Voters
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Discontented enlisted men and women have a separate set of provocations...The war in Iraq is already brutal enough day-to-day: Soldiers spend their days in hundred-plus degree heat, being shot at, peering anxiously into the distance, trying to pick out anyone likely to drive through a barricade with a car stuffed with explosives or whip a rifle out from under his robes and start shooting. They are facing an enemy who is not easily identifiable; when they are too aggressive, they are criticized by the press, and when they are not aggressive enough, they are reprimanded by their superiors, if they don't end up dead. … "They feel overused, and under-appreciated, particularly in the enlisted ranks," Wilson said. Christopher Parker, a former Army captain and a political scientist at the University of California-Santa Barbara, put it to me more bluntly: "What we're seeing now is almost unprecedented, this widespread sense among people in the military that they're being jacked around."

… "There's a sense from everyone I talk to, even down at the unit level, that whoever planned this war simply had no idea what we were getting into," a retired Army captain told me.

Troops have been charged a dollar a minute to call home, newspapers have reported, and soldiers have to buy calling cards from Iraqi kiosks. Tens of thousands of troops have been sent to Iraq with flak jackets from the Vietnam era which, unlike the modern Kevlar, can't stop rounds from the Kalashnikov rifles typically fired by the Iraqi enemy. The Pentagon, looking to trim costs last spring, floated a plan to eliminate the pay benefits soldiers got for serving in so-called "hostile areas"; after a loud outcry from the ranks, they killed the plan. Some injured reservists were billed for food they were served while in the hospital. And veterans' groups are up in arms over the concurrent receipt issue, a military regulation which mandates that no retired soldier receiving his pension from the Department of Defense can also qualify for disability. As veterans' groups have pointed out, retired soldiers (who have more legitimate per capita disability claims than any other group of federal workers) are the only group of employees in the civil service who are barred from drawing simultaneous pensions and disability payments. …
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… There was great skepticism among many officers that Iraq was the right "next target" in the war on terrorism, and an emerging doubt that Rumsfeld and his lieutenants really knew what they were doing. …

… "What I've seen throughout the officer corps is a real pendulum swing over the last three or four months, from being pro-Bush to anti-Bush," Vandergriff said … Retired Gen. Anthony Zinni … last month called the administration's policy a "brain fart." …
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0311.wallace-wells.html
 
I didn't cry when they shot Ole Yeller, I even snickered at Brian's Song, I watched both my babies be born and never batted an eye. But for some reason this young man's story of honor and humility has me all choked up. Maybe it's because he is what we all aspire to be but very few of us can actually achieve. This guy is really something and I have a feeling he's gonna get what's coming to him. Articles like this are getting the ball rolling. I would be honored to be one of the first to show gratitude. With any luck we can get this thing going by Christmas.
 
I am glad that this tread got kicked back up to the top, because we are getting closer to being able to do something nice for this soldiers family. My mom has been following this discussion and it turns out that her friend of a friend of a friend works for the VA and thinks that she can can track down the exact address of Millers family, along with contact info. If I can make this happen, I will tell folks where to send their "appreciation" for a job well done by this young hero. Give me some time and I will post updates.

Michael Miller in Sandy, Oregon/Owner of IronWolf Industries
 
The young woman was severly injured, held as a prisoner of war, and on top of that was raped and sodomized while serving her country. I gotta say, that's more than I've ever done for my country. More than I'd ever care to, too. How about you?

I understand the complaints about the media circus surrounding her rescue, etc. I also agree that PFC Miller is a hero. But sheesh. She's pretty much being damned if she does and damned if she doesn't here (by a couple of people, anyway).
 
w4rma, is it at all possible for you to reply to any thread without Bush bashing?
I think everyone has figured it out. You don't like Bush.
That's OK, No problem. If you just want to bash Bush, start your own little Bush bashing thread, instead of crapping on everyone elses.
 
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