Soldiers carrying AK's in Iraq?

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Chances are I'm just mistaken, but that's what I saw. I have the news on right now, and they had a segment on new troop plans, and we're showing footage of troops. At least one soldier (maybe two) was carrying what appeared to be an AK74, which doesn't make sense. He way have been an Iraqi soldier, but I'm almost sure he was american. Right uniform and gear, just the wrong weapon. Does anyone know anything about this?

http://www.wbaltv.com/video/11705990/index.html

That's a different one than the one I saw, but it's the one linked to the story on their site. You can clearly see one of the soldiers carrying an AK47
 
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I've heard of instances where American Soldiers use AK's because they feel it's more reliable than the M16 or M4. I have no evidence to back that up or any sort of proof so not sure if it's true. It's just something that I've heard.
 
I've heard so many unbelievable things from soldiers that some things I only believe if I see them or know the honesty of the troop (and sometimes, the technical expertise).
 
If a soldier picks up an AK, what does he do with his issued rifle? Won't he be in hot water if he pulls a Counterstrike and leaves it sitting there?

Does he carry both? What does he do when he runs out of ammo...?
 
That was an Iraqi.

Listen closely to some of the stories you hear from guys that were "over there." If a vet tells me that he was with ""B" Co., 1/7 Cav at Ia Drang, I might listen to him. (Unless he's 30 years old, and wasn't even born when the 1/7 was in Ia Drang.) But when he says that he was with "SOG" can't tell you where, but made a couple of trips down to the "delta," every week, my b.S. filter kicks in quickly.

If the guy tells you all about all the "ragheads" he killed, and the firefights he was in, and you find out that he was the company clerk, you might want to take his stories with a grain of salt.

Most of the guys that see a lot of blood and guts don't brag very much.

Another thing to look for is the guy that starts his story by telling you:

"So I had this good buddy that worked in the motor pool, and his brother in law was a Ranger, and he told me that his Brother-in law said................"

Lotsa war stories come home. And there's usually a good reason they are caller,war "stories."
 
I'll take the word of those mentioning the camo pattern. I'm rather ignorant on the topic, it looks the same to me.:eek: Thanks for the correction El Tejon, warbow, I learn something new here everyday!
 
Iraqi's are issued the old six color camo uniforms. The Army is slowly changing to the ACU but many reserve and NG units still wear the three color, though in Iraq they are probably all wearing ACU. The Airforce and Navy still issue the three color as their combat uniform.
 
The Iraqi army does not have a standard uniform that is issued to their troops. It is pretty much piece meal and the troops a lot of the time buy their own at markets. Interpreters are sometimes given extra ACUs to wear by the platoons they are attached to. We gave our terps confiscated aks to help defend themselves when they were outside the wire but they were taken away when we would come back on FOB. If you see someone in ACUs with an ak it is most likely an interpreter.
 
There have been cases of US troops carrying other weapons. Not common, but does happen. Matter of fact, about a year ago saw a picture of a guy carrying a Ppsh sub-gun; they'd found it and a bunch of ammo, and he carried it on some operations because of the penetration(I believe that was what I read).
 
Take the happy medium. US troops are not formally issued AK-47s, but I'd bet $10 that some of them carry one to make use of battlefield pickup ammo in a firefight or maybe even for a coolness factor or to appear more social to Iraqis (as in "look, I'm one of you, I use an AK also"). Then again, I'm not a soldier, so I could be completely wrong. I know exuding "coolness" might seem out of place in the army, but hey, it's an occupation. Some people bend the rules in the office by wearing a Looney Tunes tie with their suit, I'd be shocked if soldiers didn't do the same by using an AK or two.
 
The last damn thing I'd want in a firefight, especially at night is an AK when my bros are all carrying M4s or M16s. The friendly fire I'd expect to take the first time I fired my weapon would definitely be discouraging. To go one step further, I don't recall "picking up" anything laying around in a firefight except for perhaps an injured friendly.
 
I can't find a direct link, but I found the story ion a website.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-7379.html

U.S. Troops Use Confiscated Iraqi AK-47s

ANDREW ENGLAND

Associated Press


BAQOUBA, Iraq - An American soldier stands at the side of an Iraqi highway, puts his AK-47 on fully automatic and pulls the trigger.

Within seconds the assault rifle has blasted out 30 rounds. Puffs of dust dance in the air as the bullets smack into the scrubland dirt. Test fire complete.

U.S. troops in Iraq may not have found weapons of mass destruction, but they're certainly getting their hands on the country's stock of Kalashnikovs - and, they say, they need them.

The soldiers based around Baqouba are from an armor battalion, which means they have tanks, Humvees and armored personnel carriers. But they are short on rifles.

A four-man tank crew is issued two M4 assault rifles and four 9mm pistols, relying mostly on the tank's firepower for protection.

But now they are engaged in guerrilla warfare, patrolling narrow roads and goat trails where tanks are less effective. Troops often find themselves dismounting to patrol in smaller vehicles, making rifles essential.

"We just do not have enough rifles to equip all of our soldiers. So in certain circumstances we allow soldiers to have an AK-47. They have to demonstrate some proficiency with the weapon ... demonstrate an ability to use it," said Lt. Col. Mark Young, commander of the 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Infantry Division.

"Normally an armor battalion is fighting from its tanks. Well, we are not fighting from our tanks right now," Young said. "We are certainly capable of performing the missions that we have been assigned, there's no issue with that, but we do find ourselves somewhat challenged."

In Humvees, on tanks - but never openly on base - U.S. soldiers are carrying the Cold War-era weapon, first developed in the Soviet Union but now mass produced around the world.

The AK is favored by many of the world's fighters, from child soldiers in Africa to rebel movements around the world, because it is light, durable and known to jam less frequently.

Now U.S. troops who have picked up AKs on raids or confiscated them at checkpoints are putting the rifles to use - and they like what they see.

Some complain that standard U.S. military M16 and M4 rifles jam too easily in Iraq's dusty environment. Many say the AK has better "knockdown" power and can kill with fewer shots.

"The kind of war we are in now ... you want to be able to stop the enemy quick," said Sgt. 1st Class Tracy S. McCarson of Newport News, Va., an army scout, who carries an AK in his Humvee.

Some troops say the AK is easier to maintain and a better close-quarters weapon. Also, it has "some psychological affect on the enemy when you fire back on them with their own weapons," McCarson said.

Most U.S. soldiers agree the M16 and the M4 - a newer, shorter version of the M16 that has been used by American troops since the 1960s - is better for long distance, precision shooting.

But around Baqouba, troops are finding themselves attacked by assailants hidden deep in date palm groves. Or they are raiding houses, taking on enemies at close-quarters.

Two weeks ago, Sgt. Sam Bailey of Cedar Falls, Iowa, was in a Humvee when a patrol came under rocket-propelled grenade and heavy machine gun fire. It was dark, the road narrow. On one side, there was a mud wall and palms trees, on the other a canal surrounded by tall grass.

Bailey, who couldn't see who was firing, had an AK-47 on his lap and his M4 up front. The choice was simple.

"I put the AK on auto and started spraying," Bailey said.

Some soldiers also say it's easier to get ammo for the AK - they can pick it up on any raid or from any confiscated weapon.

"It's plentiful," said Sgt. Eric Harmon, a tanker who has a full 75-round drum, five 30-round magazines, plus 200-300 rounds in boxes for his AK. He has about 120 rounds for his M16.

Young doesn't carry an AK but has fired one. He's considered banning his troops from carrying AKs, but hasn't yet because "if I take the AK away from some of the soldiers, then they will not have a rifle to carry with them."

Staff Sgt. Michael Perez, a tanker, said he would take anything over his standard issue 9mm pistol when he's out of his tank.

And the AK's durability has impressed him.

"They say you can probably drop this in the water and leave it overnight, pull it out in the morning, put in a magazine and it will work," Perez said.
 
The only time I have picked up an ak. was at a THR shoot. or throw it on a truck to be taken away in SWA.

and I hear lots of war stories and tell none, its like watching a bunch bad car accidents and telling people about it. I am just beyond all that ****.

things have too be done. But i make it point to not remember them. ever.
 
Well you know, it's like the video games. You're 'issued' an American weapon to start with, but you soon discover there's no ammo for it, so you pick up the AK from the BG.

I'm kidding. :D
 
I don't know about battlefield pickups, but we just got through buying brand new AK's for the Iraqi Army. Compared with the beaten up, battered, overused and taped up M-16A2's I wouldn't be surprised if some of our guys borrowed some of the Iraqi weapons. Would you rather have a ratty old M-16 that should have been scrapped after Desert Storm or a nice, new highly functional AK? Or for that matter, who would pass up a shiny new PSL?

http://www.dragunov.net/psl_action.html
 
If I were serving, and came across a nice AK, I would try to take it with me as a souvenir. If my CO played a blind eye of course. But that's just me...:)
 
I spoke to a Marine that used AKs, and said it wasnt uncommon. Pretty much said what a previous post did: its like a video game. You take out a BG, then take his weapon. Accuracy sucks, but it was great for CQB and was a pretty handy, disposable, easily replaceable weapon. Discarded AKs were ran over with whatever was handy. They were throwaway guns, and treated as so.
 
While it was probably an Iraqi soldier some U.S troops do carry captured AKs. The ones that do this are non-combat personnel such as tank crews. These units will often only be issued the M9 pistol. Some units will allow their troops to do this, and others will not. It all depends on your C.O, however M4s are now finding their way into more hands cutting back this practice. It is also possible the fellow with the AK is a private security contractor.
 
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